Lifters: What is your go to guide...

I'm completely and totally confused and the more I read here the more confused I've become. I'm lifting heavy, doing cardio, and have about 8 more lbs to lose. Having a hard time dropping these last lbs. I guess my main issue is I just don't know enough or understand enough about lifting, diet while lifting, and such.

Things I don't understand:

Bulking/cutting: when and how to do that
Body recomp: when and how to do that
periodization: ????
Being in deficit too long:????
Metabolism reset: when and is it necessary??
Over training:??? What is too much?

Basically totally confused. Is there a specific book that could explain to me the ins and outs of lifting and what goes with it? Lay it on me!! :-)

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  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    Book? No.

    Website? Yes - Lyle McDonald's. It may not answer every question you'll ever have, but it answers many.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/


    edit: Of course, you can buy his books, so I guess that would technically be a "yes" to that first part...
  • tracieangeletti
    tracieangeletti Posts: 432 Member
    Thank you! I will check that out. Hopefully it will clear up at least a little bit of my confusion! lol
  • aakaakaak
    aakaakaak Posts: 1,240 Member
    The first book I was directed to read was:

    Man 2.0: Engineering the Alpha - by John Romaniello Adam Bornstein

    Available pretty much anywhere you want to buy it.

    Or you can steal it off the internet.

    Edit: Lyle is a good reference as well. Just remember to verify everything anyone says with real world application. Nobody has every answer for every situation.
  • I wouldn't make it complicated. I've been lifting many years and have never worried about bulking and cutting phases, body comp, etc. The biggest thing you have to know for the average person I think is to hit each body part twice per week. If you hit each body part more that twice per week it is too much. Once per week is ont enough. That is just an average rule of thumb.

    As long as your body is injury free, keep lifting heavy. Heavy is a relative term and really should be expressed in reps. Keep your reps between 4 and 15. The most common misconception I hear is that some people are afraid to put on too much muscle. Never happens unless you are on 'roids. Good luck.
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    About dietary matters and muscle building, I agree that Lyle McDonald's site is excellent.

    On training matters--how to structure a lifting program, etc.--look into Mark Rippetoe's books (Starting Strength first, then Practical Programming). You will not need to worry about periodization for some time; that's not a novice concern. But once you get there, there is a book about 5/3/1 also (a particular periodization-based program for more advanced lifters).
  • Johnpaul1987
    Johnpaul1987 Posts: 11 Member
    Hey dude, i've been their before, the amount of info out there is daunting at best >_<. no need to fret though. Trust me when i say you'll eventually work yourself into a program you enjoy just by getting a feel of what works for you. The main thing i can say is stick to your main compound movements for now like Squat, Deadline, Bench, Military Press and Pull-up/Chin-ups. Once you can get those bad boys up to a decent level through progressive overload then you should be doing fine. 3 sets between 3 to 5s for each! Focus on strength first! Starting Strength is a great program for that!

    In response to 'Things I don't understand:'

    Bulking/cutting: when and how to do that
    Bulking is eating in excess of maintance calories with the intent to increase your weight. In conjunction strength & conditioning program this extra weight will tend to be or mostly be muscle. :) The main focus should be minimal fat gain.
    A cut is the opposite, its intent is to decrease your body fat while maintain muscle, this is achieved by eating below maintanence.

    Body recomp: when and how to do that
    I don't know a whole lot about it and i don't buy it really!
    periodization: ????
    Too much to get into, google it!

    Being in deficit too long:????
    I've been their, you'll when you're in deficit for long when you feel like $%$^£ and your body-fat isn't dropping despite being at a ridiculous calories deficit.

    Metabolism reset: when and is it necessary??
    When the above stated occurs. Reverse-dieitng- graduate yourself back up to your maintenance calories over a few weeks.

    Over training:??? What is too much?
    Only you can tell, everyone is different!

    Scoobys workshop is a great place to start

    H
  • michaelmadonna
    michaelmadonna Posts: 105 Member
    Tagged to keep for future references
  • RECowgill
    RECowgill Posts: 881 Member
    I wouldn't make it complicated. I've been lifting many years and have never worried about bulking and cutting phases, body comp, etc. The biggest thing you have to know for the average person I think is to hit each body part twice per week. If you hit each body part more that twice per week it is too much. Once per week is ont enough. That is just an average rule of thumb.

    I don't think that has as much truth to it as you claim. A person certainly could hit each body part twice a week, there are valid routines for that. Also valid is a 3 or 4 day routine where each body part is hit once per week, and people make gains with that just fine. I do a 3 day per week routine and have made good, steady progress with that.

    A lifter can't make progress without good diet and recovery. So more important than the # of times in the gym is what you eat and are you resting enough. A starting lifter should focus on that balance, just work on eating better, recovering and applying yourself when you are in the gym. This is where I think the true effort comes in, just having a well balanced and consistent effort. :glasses:
  • missADS1981
    missADS1981 Posts: 364 Member
    my favorite book "The New Rules of Lifting for Women"
  • BonaFideUK
    BonaFideUK Posts: 313 Member
    I wouldn't make it complicated. I've been lifting many years and have never worried about bulking and cutting phases, body comp, etc. The biggest thing you have to know for the average person I think is to hit each body part twice per week. If you hit each body part more that twice per week it is too much. Once per week is ont enough. That is just an average rule of thumb.

    I don't think that has as much truth to it as you claim. A person certainly could hit each body part twice a week, there are valid routines for that. Also valid is a 3 or 4 day routine where each body part is hit once per week, and people make gains with that just fine. I do a 3 day per week routine and have made good, steady progress with that.

    A lifter can't make progress without good diet and recovery. So more important than the # of times in the gym is what you eat and are you resting enough. A starting lifter should focus on that balance, just work on eating better, recovering and applying yourself when you are in the gym. This is where I think the true effort comes in, just having a well balanced and consistent effort. :glasses:

    Beginners (1 year or less usually) should hit a full body workout 3 times a week to maximise muscle hypertrophy. The focus should be on compound movements where several muscles are worked at the same time.

    Speaking strictly from an efficiency viewpoint (building the most amount of muscle in the shortest time as a beginner), this is probably the best beginner program I know of; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feY6vi6ORXo
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    You're over thinking this. Most of the issues you cited are on the edge or extreme edge of lifting and exercise. For 90% of people they really don't come into play.
  • Mother_Superior
    Mother_Superior Posts: 1,624 Member
    You're over thinking this. Most of the issues you cited are on the edge or extreme edge of lifting and exercise. For 90% of people they really don't come into play.

    This is the truth. If you don't need to over-complicate it, especially if you're at an early stage, then leave it for later.

    However, if you are still interested in learning about body-recomp and all that, Lyle's website is a good resource. RE bulking, cutting, etc, specifically I would recommend giving http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html a read.

    But give it some thought and consider what Dav said. Depending on your goals, you may or may not need to go too deeply into it, and you may run the risk of over-thinking and making it harder than it needs to be.
  • billsica
    billsica Posts: 4,741 Member
    Here, I'm going to fix your main problem right now. Ready. Its going to be hard.

    Reset your goal weight to 8 lbs heaver.

    Boom, go on maintenance, congrats on your goal. Your lifting and cardio and training like a beast. Those 8 lbs aren't really going to matter, and if its heavy lifting, you have probably gained a little muscle mass at least along the way.
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    You're still new to lifting and have weight to lose?

    Lift weights consistently and eat at a deficit consistently. Forget the rest for now.

    When you're down to your goal weight and are truly happy with that weight (mine kept decreasing), then assess your body fat percentage, have an objective discussion of whether it's accurate and low enough, and only then consider bulking.
  • loricshields47
    loricshields47 Posts: 134 Member
    definately using alot of terms that complicate things. Keep it simple and lift. Focus on one~two muscle groups at a time~remember the whole body is there and involved somehow. If your goal is to loose weight you will, only a little bit more slowly as to gain muscle you have to eat enough~(especially protein! 1gr for every pound you weigh diveded between 4 meals (or more) each day)
    Scoobys site is very helpful~but be sure of your goals while doing reasearch ie loose weight, build muscle, strength train, .etc
    My husband is a big fan of ben pukalskis m140
    new rules of lifting for women is a great read (personally not a fan of the workout but is well loved by many)
    an overwhelming amount of info out there and most of it contradicts the other lol

    so good luck ~ serach out other friends who have similar goals
    me, I focused on weght loss first, lost 14 lbs and now have cut back on cardio and am lifting more (not a fan of saying heavy, cause its all heavy in the beginning!) Now I figure I have to work on gaining about 7lbs back but looking a whole lot better in the end
  • tracieangeletti
    tracieangeletti Posts: 432 Member
    Thank you so much all!! I really like my lifting program, although I had some stress and confusion over whether to do a 3x10 or 5x5 but I was told either one would get me to where I want to be. I decided to do a program called Thinner Leaner Stronger by Michael Matthews. It has all the compound moves such as deadlifts, squats, rows, bench presses, etc... Three sets ten reps and you work different body parts each day chest, back, legs, etc... I really am seeing some major changes, but like I said that last 8 lbs is holding on for dear life!! Lol

    You are all right though and I'm making it too complicated. I just read some posts and then worry that maybe I should be doing what they're doing. I am very new to heavy lifting, I'm only ten weeks in, and I just need to relax and trust the process.

    Thank you all. I will relax and keep lifting and battle these last lbs to the death!! Lol
  • jeffpettis
    jeffpettis Posts: 865 Member
    For beginners (or anyone else for that matter) this site is probably one of the best in my opinion, http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/ . Lyle McDonald lays it out there pretty straight as well. Also JC Deen has a good site. Bottom line is if there are more ads for products on the site than actual content it's probably not worth your time.
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    Some good advice already. Just to add mine is to pick an established program and stick with it for a while. Keep it simple and dont bog yourself down.
  • Alehmer
    Alehmer Posts: 433 Member
    General fitness and conditioning (very comprehensive!
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