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I have a question about adding muscle. When I have met my goal I will have lost 81 lbs. I am not sure how my muscle tone or skin will be after this. If I want my weight to be 180, should I try to lose down to 170 and add back 10 lbs of muscle or would it be better to lose down to 190 and then try and use weights to get to 180? I have heard arguments for both ways but would like opinions from those of you who have been there. Thanks

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  • BonaFideUK
    BonaFideUK Posts: 313 Member
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    Realistically you need to gain a lb of fat for every lb of muscle you gain. You'd never be able to simply add 10 lb of muscle going from 170 to 180. This is the reason people bulk (gain fat and muscle) and then cut (lose fat while retaining muscle).

    I'd advise you to get weight lifting now, regardless of your weight. Its a mistake a lot of people losing weight tend to make.
  • zedgt87
    zedgt87 Posts: 379 Member
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    first off you should already be lifting. you can make some gains while you lose 81 lbs.

    And after you hit your goal weight you will need to go on a caloric surplus while lifting. After that probably another 'cutting' cycle
  • dsclin01
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    I can tell you from experience that just because your weight goal is reached, you may still be dissatisfied. I'm at that point right now. As of now, I'm trying to look the way I want, and that weight number is secondary. Definitely incorporate weights into any routine you do.
  • grantwashere
    grantwashere Posts: 171 Member
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    first off you should already be lifting. you can make some gains while you lose 81 lbs.

    And after you hit your goal weight you will need to go on a caloric surplus while lifting. After that probably another 'cutting' cycle

    ^^^THIS^^^
  • 4_Lisa
    4_Lisa Posts: 362 Member
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    I can tell you from experience that just because your weight goal is reached, you may still be dissatisfied. I'm at that point right now. As of now, I'm trying to look the way I want, and that weight number is secondary. Definitely incorporate weights into any routine you do.

    ^^^ what he said. Easier to build the muscle now than to try to gain it later.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
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    I agree with the advice to lift now.

    At some point you'll have to lift. Waiting simply extends your timeline, so why not start now?


    But more to your question. it doesn't really matter. Some people would rather lose it all first because they can't stand the idea of slowing down scale progress. Others start thinking body comp once they get closer to their goal weight.
  • james6998
    james6998 Posts: 743 Member
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    When you say you want to gain muscle, do you mean muscle bulk or lean muscle look, such as what heavy lifting provides. Honestly after weight loss i would say going for the heavy lifting is most likely a better route. Gives you that hard body look instead of the bulk of muscle mass.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
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    according to your ticker, you have around 40 pounds left to lose. if you're not resistance training along with eating enough protein, what will happen from this point is that you will lose approx 20 pounds of muscle along with 20 pounds of fat. so when you get to goal and start training to build muscle, all you're going to be doing is trying desperately hard to gain back half of the lean body mass that you have today.

    it's much harder to build muscle than to maintain it (or lose it) so logic would dictate that you start strength training NOW so that you retain the muscle mass you currently have and let the weight you lose come primarily from fat.

    TL;DR: Always Be Lifting
  • jdm_taco
    jdm_taco Posts: 999 Member
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    I lifted the entire time I lost weight. I like to get to a desirable body fat % before I start to bulk.
  • Ophidion
    Ophidion Posts: 2,065 Member
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    according to your ticker, you have around 40 pounds left to lose. if you're not resistance training along with eating enough protein, what will happen from this point is that you will lose approx 20 pounds of muscle along with 20 pounds of fat. so when you get to goal and start training to build muscle, all you're going to be doing is trying desperately hard to gain back half of the lean body mass that you have today.

    it's much harder to build muscle than to maintain it (or lose it) so logic would dictate that you start strength training NOW so that you retain the muscle mass you currently have and let the weight you lose come primarily from fat.

    TL;DR: Always Be Lifting
    QFT^ Start lifting some heavy stuff now.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
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    Start lifting last Thursday.
  • sampark74
    sampark74 Posts: 2 Member
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    I'm going to go on the limb and say that lifting is much harder to do on regular basis than calisthenics. First, both you and I have enough body mass to gain a lot from calisthenics, not to mention you don't have to drive or anything. Warm up, stretch, calisthenics for 15-30min and right to cardio or shower. This whole thing about bulk or cut doesn't really apply to some of us, yet. I can tell you from past 30 days work routine, I'm still gaining muscles and losing 3lbs a week. (just remember to workout in reps and sets)

    Second, I tried to incorporate weight lifting couple of times. Muscle isolation from weight lifting definitely put the hurt on the muscles. I ended up not being able to complete my calisthenics routine from soreness next day. Compare that to 30 min of jumping jacks/squads/push-ups/crunches and separately planks everyday for 300+ calories a day, that's additional deficit towards weight loss. Not to mention good core endurance. Whenever my motivation allows, I burn upto 1000 calories in workout(not counting any bonus from afterburn). It wouldn't be possible to run for 600 calories if your back and knee didn't support it.

    Third, calithenics works groups of muscles. For instance, push-up with work arms, chest, back, abs and back. Planks work all of the core muscles. They are also lower in intensity. When you think you had enough and sore while working out, in 24 hours, you can go at it again(well, first 3 days will be painful to restart, but you can stretch that out with rest days in between). The big crunch that last 2+ hours afterwards, almost as good as that cup of green tea.

    My recommendation is to forget the weights, make a great playlist on your phone and get into calisthenics and cardio. Maybe when you approach around 20% body fat and have bought all new pants, it might be a good time start lifting weights and increase the intensity to infinity.

    Don't get me wrong, though. I dream about big bulging muscles to maintain once I'm through losing weight. I have a big jug of muscle milk staring at me which I don't plan to use for another 4-6 weeks.
  • Cait_Sidhe
    Cait_Sidhe Posts: 3,150 Member
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    This'ing everything that's been said. Why are you not lifting now OP? You want to be maintaining the lean muscle mass you have now, not trying to gain it back later.
  • Synapze
    Synapze Posts: 499
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    Start lifting!!
  • born2drum
    born2drum Posts: 731 Member
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    Cu until you reach 180. Keep cutting if you are not happy at 180. If you feel comfortable and feel like you need more muscle mass then simply start a clean bulk at 100-200 calorie above maintenance.

    It all depends on you.
  • KarenJanine
    KarenJanine Posts: 3,497 Member
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    I'm going to go on the limb and say that lifting is much harder to do on regular basis than calisthenics. First, both you and I have enough body mass to gain a lot from calisthenics, not to mention you don't have to drive or anything. Warm up, stretch, calisthenics for 15-30min and right to cardio or shower. This whole thing about bulk or cut doesn't really apply to some of us, yet. I can tell you from past 30 days work routine, I'm still gaining muscles and losing 3lbs a week. (just remember to workout in reps and sets)

    Second, I tried to incorporate weight lifting couple of times. Muscle isolation from weight lifting definitely put the hurt on the muscles. I ended up not being able to complete my calisthenics routine from soreness next day. Compare that to 30 min of jumping jacks/squads/push-ups/crunches and separately planks everyday for 300+ calories a day, that's additional deficit towards weight loss. Not to mention good core endurance. Whenever my motivation allows, I burn upto 1000 calories in workout(not counting any bonus from afterburn). It wouldn't be possible to run for 600 calories if your back and knee didn't support it.

    Third, calithenics works groups of muscles. For instance, push-up with work arms, chest, back, abs and back. Planks work all of the core muscles. They are also lower in intensity. When you think you had enough and sore while working out, in 24 hours, you can go at it again(well, first 3 days will be painful to restart, but you can stretch that out with rest days in between). The big crunch that last 2+ hours afterwards, almost as good as that cup of green tea.

    My recommendation is to forget the weights, make a great playlist on your phone and get into calisthenics and cardio. Maybe when you approach around 20% body fat and have bought all new pants, it might be a good time start lifting weights and increase the intensity to infinity.

    Don't get me wrong, though. I dream about big bulging muscles to maintain once I'm through losing weight. I have a big jug of muscle milk staring at me which I don't plan to use for another 4-6 weeks.

    I would ignore this. Doing big compound lifts will work your whole body. Focus on squats, deadlifts, bench press and overhead press.

    Start lifting now to preserve muscle while you lose weight, otherwise you stand to lose muscle and then have a harder battle trying to rebuild it after you reach your goal.
  • Ophidion
    Ophidion Posts: 2,065 Member
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    I'm going to go on the limb and say that lifting is much harder to do on regular basis than calisthenics. First, both you and I have enough body mass to gain a lot from calisthenics, not to mention you don't have to drive or anything. Warm up, stretch, calisthenics for 15-30min and right to cardio or shower. This whole thing about bulk or cut doesn't really apply to some of us, yet. I can tell you from past 30 days work routine, I'm still gaining muscles and losing 3lbs a week. (just remember to workout in reps and sets)

    Second, I tried to incorporate weight lifting couple of times. Muscle isolation from weight lifting definitely put the hurt on the muscles. I ended up not being able to complete my calisthenics routine from soreness next day. Compare that to 30 min of jumping jacks/squads/push-ups/crunches and separately planks everyday for 300+ calories a day, that's additional deficit towards weight loss. Not to mention good core endurance. Whenever my motivation allows, I burn upto 1000 calories in workout(not counting any bonus from afterburn). It wouldn't be possible to run for 600 calories if your back and knee didn't support it.

    Third, calithenics works groups of muscles. For instance, push-up with work arms, chest, back, abs and back. Planks work all of the core muscles. They are also lower in intensity. When you think you had enough and sore while working out, in 24 hours, you can go at it again(well, first 3 days will be painful to restart, but you can stretch that out with rest days in between). The big crunch that last 2+ hours afterwards, almost as good as that cup of green tea.

    My recommendation is to forget the weights, make a great playlist on your phone and get into calisthenics and cardio. Maybe when you approach around 20% body fat and have bought all new pants, it might be a good time start lifting weights and increase the intensity to infinity.

    Don't get me wrong, though. I dream about big bulging muscles to maintain once I'm through losing weight. I have a big jug of muscle milk staring at me which I don't plan to use for another 4-6 weeks.

    I would ignore this. Doing big compound lifts will work your whole body. Focus on squats, deadlifts, bench press and overhead press.

    Start lifting now to preserve muscle while you lose weight, otherwise you stand to lose muscle and then have a harder battle trying to rebuild it after you reach your goal.
    ^Agreed the post is well utter BS based on personal preference and very little fact, One simply maintains LBM or muscle while at a catabolic state (Calorie deficit) If getting the required amount of protein and doing some sort of resistance training(lifting,bodyweight etc). Any gains are newbie gains and neuromuscular adaptation. It is only possible to get gains in a anabolic state (calorie surplus) Most people will mistake definition for muscle gain but it is just the appearance of muscle gain caused by the fat that was hiding those sweet sweet muscle leaving the body.
  • gacowboy
    gacowboy Posts: 22 Member
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    Thanks guys! Appreciate the info. Sounds like I need to clean the junk off my weight bench and get started!
  • james6998
    james6998 Posts: 743 Member
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    Just a little well known tip. The more cut up you look, the bigger you appear. Muscle definition looks much bigger then it actually is.
  • Forsooth
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    I would agree with this comment a lot.

    Without going scientific, compound lifts like squats (done properly), bench presses, deadlifts etc. will work all of the main muscle groups which has multiple benefits... For one, you will build muscle mass and strength which is important for a good posture (which will accentuate any weight loss and/or body composition changes in a positive way). Muscle mass burns more calories so it is important that you create this furnace-like body which is efficient at burning energy rather than storing it. As a man, it will boost your hormone production (if followed by a sensible nutrition plan) which again, boosts your fat burning ability. Many people simply aim to lose 'weight' but I weigh 93kg at my leanest, my Dad, who is the same height, weighs 97kg at his heaviest. We can both fluctuate by around 8-10 kg each at any given time.

    Build your leg and core muscles by doing squats and deadlifts for the best whole body fat burn in my opinion, Then, when you are seeing progress (somewhere between 3-5 weeks if done properly and consistently) I would introduce arm exercises to build biceps, triceps etc. Your back and shoulders should be worked once a week from the start to help you feel good in your clothes and create the V Shape that many people looking to improve body composition aspire to, but most of all, eat AT LEAST 1g of protein per Kg of bodyweight (2g/Kg is better), cut out processed food, and in my experience, much as I love bread, potatoes and Ice Cream, they don't do you a lot of good!!! (Unless it is a well earned 'cheat meal/day'!)