Help! Can't seem to get enough protein

Why do you think you need to each so much protein? Excess protein (especially and almost exclusively protein from animal sources) causes liver damage among other things. Optimum range is 5-12%, 15% if you really think you need it even for someone looking to put on muslce. At the end of the day, if you want more muscle, go lift heavy things.

http://authoritynutrition.com/is-too-much-protein-bad-for-you/

Lulz, a blogger debunked scientific studies and peer reviewed research. *Slow clap* If you want to believe your bro science, go for it. When you want to do real research, go read some books and scientific journals before picking the top search result off of google

i edited my response after the fact to throw that link at you so you could start the process of tracking down more relevant reading (because of the embedded links) on your own. if you think i'm going to do that footwork for you, you're nuts.

...but i think it's cute that a 20 year old vegetarian is chastising a 45 year old engineer about the importance of reading actual scientific journals. :laugh:

Sure. Go read "The China Study"

Sure. Go read "The China Study"

http://chriskresser.com/rest-in-peace-china-study

This...

Sure. Go read "The China Study"

http://chriskresser.com/rest-in-peace-china-study

This...

A blogger debunked scientific and peer reviewed research. Don't be so gullible. Go do real research on something and understand it before pulling a website out of a hat of someone who has no credentials and is claiming to disprove a scientific study. Please for your own sake.

This PEER-REVIEWED article is a resource for you that looks at a few dietary protein theories and the role they play in weight management and body composition.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509388/?report=classic

Why do you think you need to each so much protein? Excess protein (especially and almost exclusively protein from animal sources) causes liver damage among other things. Optimum range is 5-12%, 15% if you really think you need it even for someone looking to put on muslce. At the end of the day, if you want more muscle, go lift heavy things.

Well then we should be walking around in a society of body builders then huh? I mean everyone is consuming 15+% of protein in America. You get muscles from lifting heavy things. Not by consuming egregious amounts of protein. Look at gorillas. They eat mostly greens and fruits with some bugs and they could outlift any of us. Not to mention all the other animals that eat not the highest protein diets and are strong as all get out.

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Well then we should be walking around in a society of body builders then huh? I mean everyone is consuming 15+% of protein in America. You get muscles from lifting heavy things. Not by consuming egregious amounts of protein. Look at gorillas. They eat mostly greens and fruits with some bugs and they could outlift any of us. Not to mention all the other animals that eat not the highest protein diets and are strong as all get out.

First the China Study, and now you're comparing humans to gorillas.

And mind you, he's a runner. So if bodybuilders should look to gorillas for nutritional tips and tricks, then following that logic veg_runner should eat like cheetahs. I'm sure they can outrun him.

Well then we should be walking around in a society of body builders then huh? I mean everyone is consuming 15+% of protein in America. You get muscles from lifting heavy things. Not by consuming egregious amounts of protein. Look at gorillas. They eat mostly greens and fruits with some bugs and they could outlift any of us. Not to mention all the other animals that eat not the highest protein diets and are strong as all get out.

First the China Study, and now you're comparing humans to gorillas.

And mind you, he's a runner. So if bodybuilders should look to gorillas for nutritional tips and tricks, then following that logic veg_runner should eat like cheetahs. I'm sure they can outrun him.

Why do you think you need to each so much protein? Excess protein (especially and almost exclusively protein from animal sources) causes liver damage among other things. Optimum range is 5-12%, 15% if you really think you need it even for someone looking to put on muslce. At the end of the day, if you want more muscle, go lift heavy things.

"Excess" protein by most studies starts well above 30%... not 5-12%. Do you have studies to back up your "optimum" numbers that aren't biased? Could you post them please.

Sure. Go read "The China Study" which is a that study examined more than 350 variables of health and nutrition with surveys from 6,500 adults in more than 2,500 counties across China and Taiwan, and conclusively demonstrates the link between nutrition and heart disease, diabetes, and cancer. It goes into what the optimal amount of protein is to eat among the multitude of other topics it covers about health. It's a book EVERYONE who is cares about their health should read. And T. Colin Campbell started out with the diametrical opposite view and used to espouse and tout protein and animal foods in his early days, so it's definitely not biased in anyway. If you don't want to read a book, watch some lectures of his on YouTube.
WHO (World Health Organization) recommends 5% of protein for men and women (which includes a safety buffer too).
Common sense argument too. When do we grow the most and fastest out of any other period of our life? When we are infants. What do we eat at that time? Mother's milk. What is the protein content of human breast milk? 5-6%. We really only NEED 2.5% but unless you are eating a bunch of fractured foods like oils or refined sugars you will automatically get at least 5-10% consuming a variety of plant foods. Problems arise when we go above that level which most of Western civilization has adopted which is a diet of kings and queens and look how we have turned out. Fat and sick like the kings and queens were from eating all of that rich food 24/7. I could go on but I digress. The information is out there. If you want other books/studies/authors, check out Dr. McDougall, Dr. Essylstyn, Dr. Neal Barnard, and Dr. Dean Ornish come off the top of my head. Great places to start.

n sum, “The China Study” is a compelling collection of carefully chosen data. Unfortunately for both health seekers and the scientific community, Campbell appears to exclude relevant information when it indicts plant foods as causative of disease, or when it shows potential benefits for animal products. This presents readers with a strongly misleading interpretation of the original China Study data, as well as a slanted perspective of nutritional research from other arenas (including some that Campbell himself conducted).

In rebuttals to previous criticism on “The China Study,” Campbell seems to use his curriculum vitae as reason his word should be trusted above that of his critics. His education and experience is no doubt impressive, but the “Trust me, I’m a scientist” argument is a profoundly weak one. It doesn’t require a PhD to be a critical thinker, nor does a laundry list of credentials prevent a person from falling victim to biased thinking. Ultimately, I believe Campbell was influenced by his own expectations about animal protein and disease, leading him to seek out specific correlations in the China Study data (and elsewhere) to confirm his predictions.

It’s no surprise “The China Study” has been so widely embraced within the vegan and vegetarian community: It says point-blank what any vegan wants to hear—that there’s scientific rationale for avoiding all animal foods. That even small amounts of animal protein are harmful. That an ethical ideal can be completely wed with health. These are exciting things to hear for anyone trying to justify a plant-only diet, and it’s for this reason I believe “The China Study” has not received as much critical analysis as it deserves, especially from some of the great thinkers in the vegetarian world. Hopefully this critique has shed some light on the book’s problems and will lead others to examine the data for themselves.