5x5 strong lift, cardio, deficit and logging.....help?

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  • Ta11asan
    Ta11asan Posts: 26 Member
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    I'm also doing 5x5, and feel your pain about the scale. I started when I weighed about 194, and had just broken under 200 for the first time in years. My weight plateaued for at least a month while doing some crazy fluctuations...193, up to 195, to 192, to 198. It was very frustrating especially since I never wanted to see 200 again. I stuck with it, kept lifting, and stayed in a deficit. All of a sudden, boom, 188 and dropping. Hang in there, it really is just your muscles trying to adjust, and you should probably expect it to be that way for about a month.

    Happened the exact same way for me.
  • EricCowperthwaite
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    Hey OP, hang tough! Seriously, keep up the cardio and lifting, both. I am much smaller than you, about 5'8" and 195. I started lifting 2 weeks ago. Actually, changed my entire routine from what had been 5x week high intensity (Insanity, Focus T25, that kinda thing) to lifting 3x week, walking 5x week, sprints 1x week. I'm using New Rules of Lifting, not SL5x5, but that doesn't really matter. Point is, in my first week of that new regimen I gained 5 lbs. I was eating at a 400 cal/daily deficit and only eating back half my walking calories.

    Physiologically it is impossible to gain 5 lbs of muscle and fat in one week. That would require that I ate roughly 15,000 calories in surplus. Instead, as folks have noted, you are seeing your body retain water.

    This week I have now lost all those 5 lbs. I really should have never looked at the scale.

    Here's what I learned:

    - Eat carbs 30 min before lifting, preferably fruits and berries, gives you a boost of glycogen/glucose for best lifting energy
    - Eat protein within 30-60 min after lifting, some sort of protein shake is probably the easiest/best choice. But chicken breast would be just fine too. This really helps with starting the muscle recovery.
    - Increase your water and sodium intake, helps with not retaining so much water.
    - eat consistently (that appears to be the case already for you)
    - Be patient, you are doing the right things and they WILL have an effect

    The comments made by others about water retention, glycogen storage, and muscle recovery are right on. That is almost certainly where the weight gain came from.

    I learned my lesson, I'm staying off the scale until the end of NRoL Break-In. Will weigh and measure during rest week, then stay off the scale in the next phase, weigh and measure during rest week, etc.
  • bwright9752
    bwright9752 Posts: 125 Member
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    Anything worth doing takes longer than a week. Good luck.

    I can think of at least one thing that is worth doing that doesn't take a week ;-)

    OP - One more bit of advice. Now that you started lifting and will officially become a beast, you may have to change your camera goal. It will help with the motivation.
  • FattieBabs
    FattieBabs Posts: 542 Member
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    I can understand your worry. I started lifting seriously about 4 months ago. During that time the scales have only dropped about 5 pounds, but, I have dropped inches and a dress size. I have had a lot of compliments re how I look now and cant wait to start the next stage. If your concern is purely the scales than give up the lifting and drop 2 pounds a week. BUT, you will have a lot of lose skin if you do this. I find it very frustrating that the scales are slow to shift and I drink masses of water. But, I feel a lot better. Stick at it for a month and see if you get results..... Good luck!
  • peeaanuut
    peeaanuut Posts: 359 Member
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    alright, im just gonna have to ride it out. At least today is a rest day and I can do some riding and swimming.

    Thank you all for the tips and sorry about the rage. I just get so frustrated seeing lbs adding up after I worked so hard to get them off.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    is there anything I can do about the water retention other than drinking lots of water?

    Why do you care? Do you have to weigh in for a wrestling or boxing match or something? If you didn't gain 7lbs of fat then you haven't reversed a month's worth of weight loss. If anything, the extra water retention in your muscles gives them a larger appearance, improving your aesthetics.

    i care because I cannot see any other results. measurements havent changed. Even after losing the 30lbs before starting the weights my measurements havent changed. The scale has been the only number to change. So now that that is going in the wrong direction, I have no other matrix to mark improvement.

    It's been 7 days! Changes in routine and diet take about 4-6 weeks for your body to adjust to. And QUIT relying on the scale so much! It's been said a hundred thousand times and it's fact. the scale is so unreliable when it comes to tracking progress.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    alright, im just gonna have to ride it out. At least today is a rest day and I can do some riding and swimming.

    Thank you all for the tips and sorry about the rage. I just get so frustrated seeing lbs adding up after I worked so hard to get them off.

    Is today an off day (non-lifting but still workout day)? Or a rest day? For rest days....REST. You can do active rest days where you go on a walk or do yoga..but riding and swimming doesn't sound like a rest day..more an off day where you focus on cardio versus strength. If so..just make sure you do get in a rest day a week.
  • peeaanuut
    peeaanuut Posts: 359 Member
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    yeah, its an off day. I have a full rest day usually on saturday where i get in about a 1 mile walk and thats it. Schedule has been looking like this

    Sunday - Lift (5x5 and lats)
    Monday - Rowfit Class
    Tuesday - Swim or Bike or both
    Wednesday - lift (5x5 and lats)
    Thursday - Bike or Swim or Walk or whatever my fancy
    Friday - lift (5x5 and lats)
    Saturday - rest

    Im doing the lats because i want to do a pullup finally.
  • stevesilk
    stevesilk Posts: 204 Member
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    I know you dare. You wouldn't be opening yourself up like this if you weren't and I compliment you on that. Here's a couple of points

    1. Sodium is not your friend. It works against you because you retain water with too much.

    2. Water is your friend because it helps you wash out waste products. And for Fat loss, you need to be drinking plenty (figure .5 oz per lb of weight).

    3. Weightlifting, especially heavy lifting, will supercharge your results. If you can maintain muscle lass while you are losing, you'll be significantly ahead when you get down.

    4. Weightlifting will not cause you to put on weight quickly. That's water more than likely. And as long as you are tracking well, and it sounds like you are, you'll see that come off quickly. Remember that this is a long process, and reality is 1-2 pounds per week.

    5. I would recommend measurements as well as weight measuring. I know you are going by the scale, but your weight can be impacted even by what time of day you measure. I always weigh myself in the AM. No exceptions because I know that later will be a different overall measurement.

    6. Lastly, whether you have gone to the bathroom has an impact, especially when you are early into a new eating regimen. I know this is a gross subject, but this makes a difference. If I haven't gone for a day or two, that can add ## to my numbers.

    In any event, don't give up. Patience and persistence are the keys right now. Sounds like you're doing the right things in a lot of areas. Don't let short term issues sidetrack you from your goal.
  • stevesilk
    stevesilk Posts: 204 Member
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    Oh and one other point. Your goal now is weight loss. You are lifting to prevent further muscle loss, so increasing your protein intake (cut some carbs out) to assist that. Protein after your workout and before bed, assuming you have the extra calories in your plan.

    As you lose fat, your lifting will help prevent your body using your muscles as fuel, and that will help your metabolism as you get leaner over the next several months.
  • ScubyUK
    ScubyUK Posts: 271 Member
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    When lifting... your preserving muscle and burning off fat... go with tape measure... not scales...

    THIS in big flashing neon lights!