Junk and food of no nutritional value

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  • CyberEd312
    CyberEd312 Posts: 3,536 Member
    I try to eliminate them as much as possible but also don't become a drama llama when I have some.

    I've never subscribed to "a calorie is a calorie", because for me it's not just about thinness but about health. And I like elements of IIFYM, but I don't like the way some people seem to interpret this as "as long as your basic macros are met, the rest can be a load of crap". Seems a pointless attitude...

    ^ This. It seems a lot of people are in this for fitness or weight loss rather than health, ignoring basic nutrition. We need vitamins, minerals, fibre to stay HEALTHY.

    That's because you don't understand IIFYM or Flexible Dieting Principles. You are meant to hit your macros, micros, and fiber and then fill in the rest of calories with whatever you please. You do not get extra credit for eating "extra clean" or "extra healthy".

    Yup this!! QFT!!
  • seliinac
    seliinac Posts: 336 Member
    I try to eliminate them as much as possible but also don't become a drama llama when I have some.

    I've never subscribed to "a calorie is a calorie", because for me it's not just about thinness but about health. And I like elements of IIFYM, but I don't like the way some people seem to interpret this as "as long as your basic macros are met, the rest can be a load of crap". Seems a pointless attitude...

    ^ This. It seems a lot of people are in this for fitness or weight loss rather than health, ignoring basic nutrition. We need vitamins, minerals, fibre to stay HEALTHY.

    That's because you don't understand IIFYM or Flexible Dieting Principles. You are meant to hit your macros, micros, and fiber and then fill in the rest of calories with whatever you please. You do not get extra credit for eating "extra clean" or "extra healthy".

    I understand how it works. Look at my diary. I do exactly as you said. Perhaps read what was said prior to responding. There are people here who are only eating crap and there is not a chance they are getting their 'micros', fibre/nutrients. I have seen their diaries.
  • MB_Positif
    MB_Positif Posts: 8,897 Member
    I can't commit to such a thing. Hasn't hurt my progress at all!
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    I try to eliminate them as much as possible but also don't become a drama llama when I have some.

    I've never subscribed to "a calorie is a calorie", because for me it's not just about thinness but about health. And I like elements of IIFYM, but I don't like the way some people seem to interpret this as "as long as your basic macros are met, the rest can be a load of crap". Seems a pointless attitude...

    ^ This. It seems a lot of people are in this for fitness or weight loss rather than health, ignoring basic nutrition. We need vitamins, minerals, fibre to stay HEALTHY.

    That's because you don't understand IIFYM or Flexible Dieting Principles. You are meant to hit your macros, micros, and fiber and then fill in the rest of calories with whatever you please. You do not get extra credit for eating "extra clean" or "extra healthy".

    I understand how it works. Look at my diary. I do exactly as you said. Perhaps read what was said prior to responding. There are people here who are only eating crap and there is not a chance they are getting their 'micros', fibre/nutrients. I have seen their diaries.

    I think you'd probably be surprised how many people who eat 'crap' actually make their macros and micros. I had delivery pizza and wings for lunch; still hit fat and protein, my micros, and got in more fiber than you today. I have ice cream (a serving or two) with cookies or a brownie nearly every night, fast food a handful of times a week, but I hit all of my numbers by the end of the week.

    I think you think you know some things, but in reality have no idea.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Has anyone on here committed to eliminating all junk food and artificial sugar from their diet - for good?
    I like to believe I have, since I feel that if I ingest even the smallest amount of it, my whole day is ruined - nutrition wise. It seems that I am only motivated to keep losing weight and eating healthy if I never eat any sort of junk. How do you feel about junk food?
    That's called orthorexia, and it's an eating disorder. Eating "junk food" (however you decide to define it, since I've read several hundred definitions of it around here,) is perfectly acceptable as long as you meet all of your nutritional goals. There's nothing wrong with sugar. In fact, I can run fast and longer after eating ice cream than I can after eating chicken and veggies (the fast digesting sugar plus the fat in the ice cream is an almost perfect combination to fuel a run.)

    Arbitrarily eliminating foods, and then feeling "ruined" because you ate some is an incredibly unhealthy mindset to be in. It's a terrible relationship with food, as it's the opposite extreme of the person who eats nothing but cheetos and soda all day. Neither approach is ideal.
  • KRB28
    KRB28 Posts: 248 Member
    Sunday is the day I treat myself. We're going to lunch at this little restaurant that makes the best homemade burgers and fries :) I will still be in my calorie goal, and I'll workout to burn some calories. I can't deprive myself.
  • TheVimFuego
    TheVimFuego Posts: 2,412 Member
    I eat it all, no guilt about anything, just bring it and I'll consume it (Brussel sprouts excepted).

    Most of the time it's "whole" foods by preference though, I don't have a hankering for most 'junk' these days.

    I've read a heap of pro-'clean' eating stuff, it's all very interesting but when it comes to looking good nekkid it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to my goals, which are spectacularly superficial, no point in pretending otherwise. ;)

    The fewer nutritional rules I have the better.
  • seliinac
    seliinac Posts: 336 Member
    I try to eliminate them as much as possible but also don't become a drama llama when I have some.

    I've never subscribed to "a calorie is a calorie", because for me it's not just about thinness but about health. And I like elements of IIFYM, but I don't like the way some people seem to interpret this as "as long as your basic macros are met, the rest can be a load of crap". Seems a pointless attitude...

    ^ This. It seems a lot of people are in this for fitness or weight loss rather than health, ignoring basic nutrition. We need vitamins, minerals, fibre to stay HEALTHY.

    That's because you don't understand IIFYM or Flexible Dieting Principles. You are meant to hit your macros, micros, and fiber and then fill in the rest of calories with whatever you please. You do not get extra credit for eating "extra clean" or "extra healthy".

    I understand how it works. Look at my diary. I do exactly as you said. Perhaps read what was said prior to responding. There are people here who are only eating crap and there is not a chance they are getting their 'micros', fibre/nutrients. I have seen their diaries.

    I think you'd probably be surprised how many people who eat 'crap' actually make their macros and micros. I had delivery pizza and wings for lunch; still hit fat and protein, my micros, and got in more fiber than you today. I have ice cream (a serving or two) with cookies or a brownie nearly every night, fast food a handful of times a week, but I hit all of my numbers by the end of the week.

    I think you think you know some things, but in reality have no idea.

    I think you have no idea what I know or do not know. I base my observations on what I have seen. I don't base it on your diary which I did not see. You also have no idea what I consider crap.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    I try to eliminate them as much as possible but also don't become a drama llama when I have some.

    I've never subscribed to "a calorie is a calorie", because for me it's not just about thinness but about health. And I like elements of IIFYM, but I don't like the way some people seem to interpret this as "as long as your basic macros are met, the rest can be a load of crap". Seems a pointless attitude...

    ^ This. It seems a lot of people are in this for fitness or weight loss rather than health, ignoring basic nutrition. We need vitamins, minerals, fibre to stay HEALTHY.

    That's because you don't understand IIFYM or Flexible Dieting Principles. You are meant to hit your macros, micros, and fiber and then fill in the rest of calories with whatever you please. You do not get extra credit for eating "extra clean" or "extra healthy".

    I understand how it works. Look at my diary. I do exactly as you said. Perhaps read what was said prior to responding. There are people here who are only eating crap and there is not a chance they are getting their 'micros', fibre/nutrients. I have seen their diaries.

    I think you'd probably be surprised how many people who eat 'crap' actually make their macros and micros. I had delivery pizza and wings for lunch; still hit fat and protein, my micros, and got in more fiber than you today. I have ice cream (a serving or two) with cookies or a brownie nearly every night, fast food a handful of times a week, but I hit all of my numbers by the end of the week.

    I think you think you know some things, but in reality have no idea.

    I think you have no idea what I know or do not know. I base my observations on what I have seen. I don't base it on your diary which I did not see. You also have no idea what I consider crap.

    Well I did I say 'I think' which means it's my opinion on the matter based off of my observations on what I've seen you say this far in this thread. Kind of like what you think is based off your observations. My opinion is no more or less based off of observation than yours, which makes it just as valid, as far as I can tell.

    But for the sake of letting you add further observations, show us an example of a person claiming to use IIFYM and eating nothing but what you consider to be crap.
  • jayjay12345654321
    jayjay12345654321 Posts: 653 Member
    I cut out all junk. All processed foods and refined sugar were eliminated. I don't care about anybody else's macro/micro/macho/me know. I feel healthier, whether I am or not. I know I'm happier and more energetic and that's inarguable. And when I have extra calories, if my nutrients have been met, then there's no point filling up on junk just because the numbers say I can when I don't want it in the first place. I think that's really the only difference. People who want to eat junk will find a way to justify it. I don't feel deprived snacking on an apricot instead of a bag of Doritos. I feel lucky I can.
  • seliinac
    seliinac Posts: 336 Member
    Read my original quote.

    "I've never subscribed to "a calorie is a calorie", because for me it's not just about thinness but about health. And I like elements of IIFYM, but I don't like the way some people seem to interpret this as "as long as your basic macros are met, the rest can be a load of crap". "

    Note where it says: BASIC MACROS ARE MET.

    I'm not going to out people on my FL. I'm going to try to guide them so that they are doing it correctly, perhaps the way you are. It is probably easier for you to cover all your bases because, if I remember correctly from some of your other posts, your calorie intake is quite a bit higher than theirs.
  • ritchiedrama
    ritchiedrama Posts: 1,304 Member

    Junk food is responsible for a lot of obesity in our societies.

    Ben

    Nope, we are.
  • gettingmy_lifeback
    gettingmy_lifeback Posts: 30 Member
    I gave up junk food and i never crave it.i feel great. it doesnt even tempt me
  • itsjustdawn
    itsjustdawn Posts: 1,073 Member
    I always allow myself treats, because that's the only way I can keep myself sane. I'll usually have some form of chocolate every day (usually under 100cals) and if my will power is low, an energy drink at work (while I skip my lunch break to get more done). Junk food is great, IIFYM!

    Ugh your Hannibal pic is creeeeepy.
  • SStruthers13
    SStruthers13 Posts: 150 Member
    My husband likes to research food, ad now he won't let me have diet drinks because of aspartame

    He doesn't research that thoroughly then, there's nothing wrong with aspartame!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

    But anyhow, if it fits in with my calories I'll eat it! But whereas I'd demolish a whole large takeaway pizza before, now it'll only be a few slices of a medium or a whole small/individual pizza.

    Monsanto has a huge lobby in Washington. They also have lots of money. When I was in nursing school we were taking benign tumors from behind the eye that actually had aspartame in them. It's bad stuff. Eat it and likely nothing will happen to you but it does cause problems.
  • itsjustdawn
    itsjustdawn Posts: 1,073 Member

    Junk food is responsible for a lot of obesity in our societies.

    Ben

    Nope, we are.

    ^^Amen
  • SStruthers13
    SStruthers13 Posts: 150 Member
    I believe in healthy eating but if you feel you an go through the rest of your life w/o a piece of cake I fear your in for quite a letdown at some point :-)
  • teamAmelia
    teamAmelia Posts: 1,247 Member
    Haha same case as you. If I eat junk food even if I am not over the calories intake. I still feel like I am ruined for the whole day.. probably not very good to be so since sometimes it is good to have a little junk in moderation.

    I agree. There's really nothing wrong w junk food in moderation. If you deny yourself these things and finally cave in one day, that could lead to binging or just giving up if you see it as a failure. I choose to see eating junk food as a treat now, and not as something bad.
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    There is no such thing as food with no nutritional value. Calories are nutritional value...ask a starving person.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    Read my original quote.

    "I've never subscribed to "a calorie is a calorie", because for me it's not just about thinness but about health. And I like elements of IIFYM, but I don't like the way some people seem to interpret this as "as long as your basic macros are met, the rest can be a load of crap". "

    Note where it says: BASIC MACROS ARE MET.

    I'm not going to out people on my FL. I'm going to try to guide them so that they are doing it correctly, perhaps the way you are. It is probably easier for you to cover all your bases because, if I remember correctly from some of your other posts, your calorie intake is quite a bit higher than theirs.

    Actually you're right and I apologize for my hostility. I don't like the way some people portray iifym as something people do to justify eating crap. Also I got a rude pm today and its made me defensive. And, of course, the fact I eat like a pig helps with getting in all my stuffs.

    So, again, I apologize.
  • HeidiCooksSupper
    HeidiCooksSupper Posts: 3,839 Member
    Yes on eliminating the artificial sweeteners. They pique my appetite and I don't need that kind of encouragement so they are now completely out of the picture.

    On a day-to-day basis, I avoid junk. There's too much good food to eat within my calorie limits. No room for junk except for the occasional splurge -- and even then, I'd rather splurge on homemade bread and butter, or good cheese, or a trip to a local barbecue buffet that makes all its own food.
  • seliinac
    seliinac Posts: 336 Member
    Read my original quote.

    "I've never subscribed to "a calorie is a calorie", because for me it's not just about thinness but about health. And I like elements of IIFYM, but I don't like the way some people seem to interpret this as "as long as your basic macros are met, the rest can be a load of crap". "

    Note where it says: BASIC MACROS ARE MET.

    I'm not going to out people on my FL. I'm going to try to guide them so that they are doing it correctly, perhaps the way you are. It is probably easier for you to cover all your bases because, if I remember correctly from some of your other posts, your calorie intake is quite a bit higher than theirs.

    Actually you're right and I apologize for my hostility. I don't like the way some people portray iifym as something people do to justify eating crap. Also I got a rude pm today and its made me defensive. And, of course, the fact I eat like a pig helps with getting in all my stuffs.

    So, again, I apologize.

    Accepted. :)
  • jayjay12345654321
    jayjay12345654321 Posts: 653 Member
    Read my original quote.

    "I've never subscribed to "a calorie is a calorie", because for me it's not just about thinness but about health. And I like elements of IIFYM, but I don't like the way some people seem to interpret this as "as long as your basic macros are met, the rest can be a load of crap". "

    Note where it says: BASIC MACROS ARE MET.

    I'm not going to out people on my FL. I'm going to try to guide them so that they are doing it correctly, perhaps the way you are. It is probably easier for you to cover all your bases because, if I remember correctly from some of your other posts, your calorie intake is quite a bit higher than theirs.

    Actually you're right and I apologize for my hostility. I don't like the way some people portray iifym as something people do to justify eating crap. Also I got a rude pm today and its made me defensive. And, of course, the fact I eat like a pig helps with getting in all my stuffs.

    So, again, I apologize.

    Accepted. :)

    I love happy endings! :flowerforyou:
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    Has anyone on here committed to eliminating all junk food and artificial sugar from their diet - for good?
    I like to believe I have, since I feel that if I ingest even the smallest amount of it, my whole day is ruined - nutrition wise. It seems that I am only motivated to keep losing weight and eating healthy if I never eat any sort of junk. How do you feel about junk food?

    Can you give some examples of food with no nutritional value? Or was that just hyperbole?
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Has anyone on here committed to eliminating all junk food and artificial sugar from their diet - for good?
    I like to believe I have, since I feel that if I ingest even the smallest amount of it, my whole day is ruined - nutrition wise. It seems that I am only motivated to keep losing weight and eating healthy if I never eat any sort of junk. How do you feel about junk food?

    Can you give some examples of food with no nutritional value? Or was that just hyperbole?
    Eggplant. It's basically cardboard, but tastes good breaded, fried, and smothered in cheese and sauce...

    Seriously, beyond fiber, eggplant is about as nutritionally void as food gets.
  • 1princesswarrior
    1princesswarrior Posts: 1,242 Member
    My husband likes to research food, ad now he won't let me have diet drinks because of aspartame

    He doesn't research that thoroughly then, there's nothing wrong with aspartame!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

    But anyhow, if it fits in with my calories I'll eat it! But whereas I'd demolish a whole large takeaway pizza before, now it'll only be a few slices of a medium or a whole small/individual pizza.

    Monsanto has a huge lobby in Washington. They also have lots of money. When I was in nursing school we were taking benign tumors from behind the eye that actually had aspartame in them. It's bad stuff. Eat it and likely nothing will happen to you but it does cause problems.

    Wikipedia is hardly a reliable source.
  • ragingmrs
    ragingmrs Posts: 34
    Even though I have an all or nothing approach on many things I can not eliminate anything from my diet without feeling deprivation which leads to binging on that item. With diet I have found that eating healthy, and keeping everything in moderation, including moderation is my best friend.:drinker:
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    My husband likes to research food, ad now he won't let me have diet drinks because of aspartame

    He doesn't research that thoroughly then, there's nothing wrong with aspartame!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

    But anyhow, if it fits in with my calories I'll eat it! But whereas I'd demolish a whole large takeaway pizza before, now it'll only be a few slices of a medium or a whole small/individual pizza.

    Monsanto has a huge lobby in Washington. They also have lots of money. When I was in nursing school we were taking benign tumors from behind the eye that actually had aspartame in them. It's bad stuff. Eat it and likely nothing will happen to you but it does cause problems.

    Wikipedia is hardly a reliable source.
    Ahh Wiki bashing, nice. Doesn't change the fact that aspartame is one of the most studied food additives ever, and in the 50 years of research it's been proven safe thousands of times over, by about 100 different countries (so the Washington lobby comment is meaningless, also.) Pharmaceutical companies also have huge lobbies in Washington, maybe they're trying to get aspartame banned so they can keep pushing their diabetes drugs on the unsuspecting population that will be forced to eat sugar again... That's the fun part about conspiracy theories, anybody can make them up, and make the silliest, most absurd claims. I'll stick to the scientific data, personally.
  • jayjay12345654321
    jayjay12345654321 Posts: 653 Member
    My husband likes to research food, ad now he won't let me have diet drinks because of aspartame

    He doesn't research that thoroughly then, there's nothing wrong with aspartame!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

    Better tell the FDA their research is wrong, then. Maybe they should have just read the Wikipedia page drafted by the manufacturer and skipped those silly test studies.

    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    My husband likes to research food, ad now he won't let me have diet drinks because of aspartame

    He doesn't research that thoroughly then, there's nothing wrong with aspartame!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

    Better tell the FDA their research is wrong, then. Maybe they should have just read the Wikipedia page drafted by the manufacturer and skipped those silly test studies.

    http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt

    That email doesn't mean what I think you think it means.

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