Having a cheat day every 2-3 weeks

Instead of having a cheat day every 2-3 weeks why not have a cheat meal (Starter/Main/Dessert/Drink) every 7 days?

If I had a cheat day I could easily go over 20k calories compared to a cheat meal I rarely hit 2k

Instead of having a cheat meal every 7 days why not eat stuff you love every day and call it IIFYM and be happy while still losing weight?

Because..

A: Crap food is more calorie dense
B: You're more then likely to binge after due to crap food not filling you up
C: Nutritional values in processed crap junk food are of hardly any benefit to you.

Please stop.


To the OP. A refeed and a cheat meal are not the same. Refeed are targeted over feeding for a slight physical and mental boost. Cheat days, meals, etc are used by those who deny themselves of certain foods.

Instead of having a cheat day every 2-3 weeks why not have a cheat meal (Starter/Main/Dessert/Drink) every 7 days?

If I had a cheat day I could easily go over 20k calories compared to a cheat meal I rarely hit 2k

Instead of having a cheat meal every 7 days why not eat stuff you love every day and call it IIFYM and be happy while still losing weight?

Because..

A: Crap food is more calorie dense
B: You're more then likely to binge after due to crap food not filling you up
C: Nutritional values in processed crap junk food are of hardly any benefit to you.

A. Even non crap food food can be high in calories.

B. Depriving yourself of things the way you say is more likely to lead to a binge than practicing moderation. No one is telling you to have pizza and ice cream all day. It's about learning to have a balance in life. Allowing yourself the room to have foods that you might consider "crap" eliminates the psychological torture so many people put themselves through which leads to failure.

C. I'm sure the crap food you speak of combined with the "good" foods lead to a well balanced day.

Maybe your issue isn't that you can't rind a balance. Maybe it's that you don't know how to practice self control.

A: Maybe but it's not that many tbh and you can eat far more filling meals with a good range of foods compared to one crap food which will still leave you hungry due to what's in it.

B: Depriving yourself teaches you self control it also breeds new habits and breaks old ones that have kept you fat in the past. The bs excuse people use to eat whatever they want as nothing to do with torture they just don't have no self control and clearly do not want to change the bad habits which have made em fat in the first place. (I've been there and done it)

C: It depends on what you class as bad foods though and it also needs to fit into you goals. But tell me why would anyone go have some chocolate after a nice clean deal just to get hit by a big sugar rush that then leads to hunger pans again as they come crashing down from the insulin spike?

As for me not finding right balance I've found it perfect and I hardly ever eat crap now and that's because I've broke the psychological barrier associated with eating crap. It's not that I don't want it either it's just that I'm far more happier eating a big plate of chicken and broccoli with a pepsi max rather than going Mcdonalds and eating a burger with fries and a coke. it's also cheaper. In fact my food bills have halved pretty much. No more spending £10-20 a day at the shop buying junk or take aways.

As for self control I have plenty of that and that's down to breaking those psychological barriers associated with junk food. I went in cold turkey on a very strict keto diet to break the habits and one of the reasons I choose the strict keto diet is because I knew for a fact it stops cravings within a few days I actually lost 21lb in a month on it, broke every bad habit I had and 4 months on I'm down 65lbs.

cheat and refeed shouldn't mean different to people though..

a refeed and a cheat day are not a like

Instead of having a cheat day every 2-3 weeks why not have a cheat meal (Starter/Main/Dessert/Drink) every 7 days?

If I had a cheat day I could easily go over 20k calories compared to a cheat meal I rarely hit 2k

Instead of having a cheat meal every 7 days why not eat stuff you love every day and call it IIFYM and be happy while still losing weight?

Because..

A: Crap food is more calorie dense
B: You're more then likely to binge after due to crap food not filling you up
C: Nutritional values in processed crap junk food are of hardly any benefit to you.

A. Even non crap food food can be high in calories.

B. Depriving yourself of things the way you say is more likely to lead to a binge than practicing moderation. No one is telling you to have pizza and ice cream all day. It's about learning to have a balance in life. Allowing yourself the room to have foods that you might consider "crap" eliminates the psychological torture so many people put themselves through which leads to failure.

C. I'm sure the crap food you speak of combined with the "good" foods lead to a well balanced day.

Maybe your issue isn't that you can't rind a balance. Maybe it's that you don't know how to practice self control.

A: Maybe but it's not that many tbh and you can eat far more filling meals with a good range of foods compared to one crap food which will still leave you hungry due to what's in it.

B: Depriving yourself teaches you self control it also breeds new habits and breaks old ones that have kept you fat in the past. The bs excuse people use to eat whatever they want as nothing to do with torture they just don't have no self control and clearly do not want to change the bad habits which have made em fat in the first place. (I've been there and done it)

C: It depends on what you class as bad foods though and it also needs to fit into you goals. But tell me why would anyone go have some chocolate after a nice clean deal just to get hit by a big sugar rush that then leads to hunger pans again as they come crashing down from the insulin spike?

As for me not finding right balance I've found it perfect and I hardly ever eat crap now and that's because I've broke the psychological barrier associated with eating crap. It's not that I don't want it either it's just that I'm far more happier eating a big plate of chicken and broccoli with a pepsi max rather than going Mcdonalds and eating a burger with fries and a coke. it's also cheaper. In fact my food bills have halved pretty much. No more spending £10-20 a day at the shop buying junk or take aways.

As for self control I have plenty of that and that's down to breaking those psychological barriers associated with junk food. I went in cold turkey on a very strict keto diet to break the habits and one of the reasons I choose the strict keto diet is because I knew for a fact it stops cravings within a few days I actually lost 21lb in a month on it, broke every bad habit I had and 4 months on I'm down 65lbs.

A. You are not understanding that I'm not saying have "crap" meals all the time. If a bro diet is what works for you by all means go ahead and do it. Doesn't affect me. I'm content with my pizza.

B. Deprivation actually teaches the exact opposite off teaching self control. It's extremism. Many do that and put the weight right back on because they never teach themselves food selection, moderation. Then life happens.

So you're saying you will do keto for the rest of your life? What's your plan for re incorporating carbs into your life if and when you choose to?
This guy can explain it much better than I will bother to.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6H2edyPLU8     Lane Norton IIFYM vs Clean eating

Maybe it's the way you put it across as in it sounded to me like 'Eat crap all the time it don't matter'

I don't agree with B at all because I've been there and done it many times and I failed because I had no self control, I want a quick fix, I could not be arsed to read up on info, I wanted to be spoon fed and told what to do. I was a thinker not a doer.

No one says these people have to deprive themselves of anything, they just have to work to a reward. They have to get self control and they have to go out and do it. I don't care what anyone says I've been fat I know the bull**** excuses I've used them loads of times in the past.

I still maintain it's a complete lifestyle change and breaking bad habits will be the main cause of anyone's success on here.

I'm not on Keto anymore. I added carbs back a few weeks ago. I just added them back slowly. If I want to go out and eat Pizza I will but I really don't crave that kind of food anymore because I've changed my habits for the better. Enjoy your pizza

I look at things over a longer period of time than daily. Am I at my calorie goal for the week is a more relevant question than for a particular 24 hour period. The only short term consideration is that I make sure I eat enough prior to work outs.

JaxDemon, do you have any fullbody topless photos or anything? (Not asking out of being a d1ck, just asking as I can tell you if it "won't be long" until 10-12% bf - It isn't exactly HARD to get there, but its harder than you are assuming it to be.

JaxDemon, do you have any fullbody topless photos or anything? (Not asking out of being a d1ck, just asking as I can tell you if it "won't be long" until 10-12% bf - It isn't exactly HARD to get there, but its harder than you are assuming it to be.

I have a few I took on my phone to track progress, None recent as I'm not due till Wednesday to take some. My current measurements that I took on 19th are below as you can see my belly needs to lose 6 inches.

Next to no fat on my arms/legs/thighs. Rough guess at 2-5lb on chest if that. All my fat is 90% around my midsection.

It can be done, I've seen it be done have faith.