How safe is whole milk and whole yogurt?
Fab30s
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Hi everyone.
I live in a country where getting low fat yogurt/ milk is not particularly easy or cheap. In fact I live in a country town called the land of milk and honey, because we produce milk and honey in plenty for the whole country. Milk comes fresh from cows, unprocessed, so full with all its fat. I've been trying to eat low carb, high protein foods. Therefore, I've been eating yogurt/milk daily for breakfast. I have only lost 6 kilos in 4 months and my weight loss seems to have stalled. I work out regularly. I have a three year old niece who is very chubby and she only drinks milk- refuses all other foods. So I am starting to think that the fat content in my milk/yogurt may be too high and causing my problem. There are no food labels. I have fresh seasoned and steamed tilapia for lunch and roasted chicken for supper almost everyday. What do you guys think?
I live in a country where getting low fat yogurt/ milk is not particularly easy or cheap. In fact I live in a country town called the land of milk and honey, because we produce milk and honey in plenty for the whole country. Milk comes fresh from cows, unprocessed, so full with all its fat. I've been trying to eat low carb, high protein foods. Therefore, I've been eating yogurt/milk daily for breakfast. I have only lost 6 kilos in 4 months and my weight loss seems to have stalled. I work out regularly. I have a three year old niece who is very chubby and she only drinks milk- refuses all other foods. So I am starting to think that the fat content in my milk/yogurt may be too high and causing my problem. There are no food labels. I have fresh seasoned and steamed tilapia for lunch and roasted chicken for supper almost everyday. What do you guys think?
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In the absence of low fat milk...I mix whole milk with water. Im not sure what to do with yoghurt, am strickly using fat free yoghurt.0
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It's totally 'safe'. There isn't anything wrong with it, it just has a bit more fat in it, so a few more calories. There is nothing inherently bad or unsafe about it.
You don't seem to log a lot in your diary, which might be a problem with your weight loss. Guestimating the calories to log is better than not logging at all, as you get a good idea of what you're eating.0 -
How long has your weight loss stalled? - if it has only stopped for a few weeks, that isn't a stall. Weight loss isn't linear.
Whole milk/whole yogurt won't cause a stall by themselves - however make sure you know the volumes and calories might help to understand if you are eating at a higher calorie level than you think.0 -
There is nothing wrong with fats. We require a balanced diet which means getting a decent amount of fats. Some obviously are better than others, try for unsaturated fats as your main source. Many people are scared of fats, mainly because of bad information being spread in the past and now marketers know it helps sell products. Most 'low fat' foods are full of sugar to make up for the lack of taste, and a high sugar diet is far worse for you.
Eat the full fat milk and yogurt and enjoy the taste.0 -
It's totally 'safe'. There isn't anything wrong with it, it just has a bit more fat in it, so a few more calories. There is nothing inherently bad or unsafe about it.
^^^^ this. and the fat soluble vitamins in full fat milk and dairy products are good for you
log everything accurately and stick to your calorie goal, and you should be able to lose weight while eating full fat dairy. The only benefit of eating low fat dairy is that it's lower in calories so you can fit more of other foods in, that is all.0 -
There is nothing wrong with fats. We require a balanced diet which means getting a decent amount of fats. Some obviously are better than others, try for unsaturated fats as your main source. Many people are scared of fats, mainly because of bad information being spread in the past and now marketers know it helps sell products. Most 'low fat' foods are full of sugar to make up for the lack of taste, and a high sugar diet is far worse for you.
Eat the full fat milk and yogurt and enjoy the taste.
It is not that they are scared of full fat, many people are trying to stick to their daily calories and if using full fat milk (which is actually double the calories of skimmed by the way), pushes them over their calories, then they will indeed use skimmed.
Besides which, I have been drinking skimmed for 22 years now and if I have a tea or coffee with full fat milk, it makes me feel a bit sick as it is that much richer.
People always assume that low fat stuff is chosen by people because they are afraid of fat, this is seriously not the case.0 -
There is nothing wrong with fats. We require a balanced diet which means getting a decent amount of fats. Some obviously are better than others, try for unsaturated fats as your main source. Many people are scared of fats, mainly because of bad information being spread in the past and now marketers know it helps sell products. Most 'low fat' foods are full of sugar to make up for the lack of taste, and a high sugar diet is far worse for you.
Eat the full fat milk and yogurt and enjoy the taste.
It is not that they are scared of full fat, many people are trying to stick to their daily calories and if using full fat milk (which is actually double the calories of skimmed by the way), pushes them over their calories, then they will indeed use skimmed.
Besides which, I have been drinking skimmed for 22 years now and if I have a tea or coffee with full fat milk, it makes me feel a bit sick as it is that much richer.
People always assume that low fat stuff is chosen by people because they are afraid of fat, this is seriously not the case.
Completely Agree, if you are looking to stick within a certain calorie intake then drinking skimmed instead of full fat will make it a lot easier, especially if you drink it regularly (i.e cereal, coffee, tea)0 -
If I could get fresh whole milk here I would be the happiest thing on the planet- I love the stuff! Here I buy... as whole as it gets (3.5% - 3.8% fat) and it's the only milk I am willing to drink (low fat tastes like nothing to me). Since I am a constant dieter I simply don't drink crazy amounts, thus I am safe from too much fat. Mmmh, milk.0
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Thank you all, and what you're saying does make sense. However, how do you explain my little niece who practically lives off of milk and is chubby. One dietician at my sister's job said my niece is overweight. She weighs 20kgs and is only 3.5 yrs old. Granted, she doesn't like to play, so she's a bit sedentary.0
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I pretty much eat the same thing everyday so even when I don't log, I know I eat between 1200 and 1400 calories. I've been bouncing back and forth between 94 and 96 kgs for the past month. I first reached 94 kgs a month ago.0
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I pretty much eat the same thing everyday so even when I don't log, I know I eat between 1200 and 1400 calories. I've been bouncing back and forth between 94 and 96 kgs for the past month. I first reached 94 kgs a month ago.
Small things count. I forgot to log a hundful of nuts yesterday -- ooops, 200+ calories!0 -
good point.0
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Definitely worth just weighing and logging for a few days -- when we always eat the same thing, there's a tendency for portion creep. Also, lots of people think that your body gets 'used to' having the same foods and so becomes super efficient at utilising those calories. So you might want to mix in a few different foods you're not used to instead of the ones you always eat.
With roast chicken, the skin's very tasty but contains most of the fat and calories. So when I have roast chicken I take all the skin off my portion, and then just take back one small piece to remind me how much I like it. Watch out for 'hidden' calories in foods you're not preparing yourself too.
With your niece, my guess would be it's mostly the play -- years ago, little kids would just run around all day! But you can't draw conclusions for adults from that.0 -
Thank you all, and what you're saying does make sense. However, how do you explain my little niece who practically lives off of milk and is chubby. One dietician at my sister's job said my niece is overweight. She weighs 20kgs and is only 3.5 yrs old. Granted, she doesn't like to play, so she's a bit sedentary.
you answered your own question.
weight gain/loss is not about what you eat, only about how much you eat. you can mitigate the effects of overconsumption with calorie-burning activity, but at the end of the day... if you're eating more than you're burning, you will gain weight.
that's what is happening with your niece. i wouldn't worry too much though. she's growing and lots of chubby kids grow up to be normal weight teens. if her mom is really worried, a modest reduction in calories in your niece's diet is likely all that is needed to get her back to a normal weight for her age/size.0 -
If she's 3.5 years old and will only consume milk, then you have bigger problems than her weight.0
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I agree. While I use either semi-skimmed milk or the 1% milk we get here (same calcium but less fat), I eat full fat yoghurts as I don't like all the artificial sweeteners they put in the low fat ones & invariably my 4 and 2 year old steal my yoghurts so I'd rather have something better for them. I think it is fine if that is all you can get or even if it's just what you prefer, you just have to compensate in other areas and ensure your overall calories are ok, with me I love cheese so I go without other treats to allow for that.
Re your niece, usually if children of such a young age are a little chubby it is more from inactivity than food. I know my daughter, who is 4 has a bit of a tummy on her, if anything she eats less than her 2 year old brother and he is on the skinny side, but he runs around all day long, whereas she is happier doing crafts, drawing etc. I am trying to redress this by getting her on her bike more and on the trampoline, where he needs no encouragement to be active, she is more like me. I would however be a little concerned if she is only drinking milk as she will need nutrients from all different foods to grow properly.0 -
If she's 3.5 years old and will only consume milk, then you have bigger problems than her weight.
Yes.
Probably she is filling up on milk and that's why she won't eat other things. Maybe only allow her milk as "pudding" once she has cleared her plate - you may need to start off with smaller portions and build it up, but something needs to change & the sooner the better0 -
With your niece, does she drink milk in a cup or a bottle? Some toddlers drink heaps of milk at the expense of other food. This seems to happen more if it's in a bottle. In saying that, my eldest rarely had a bottle and only ever had cows milk from a cup, and we still had to only offer milk twice a day. Do you get to spend time with your niece? Sometimes someone other than mum or dad, have better luck getting them to eat. So maybe get her to have the occasional lunch with you or snack. No pressure, but she may like to share from your plate. Any success with my eldest daughter has happened that way. My four year old is really good at trying new foods. We are lucky there. For activity, we live in a flat. It makes it hard as we can't just send our kids out. We limit the screen time, they do get to watch tv and stuff, just not all day. We take them to the park, for walks, kick balls around. My two love dancing, and think it's funny when we join in. Lucky our eldest is at school now and the girls love to try and do cartwheels. The more you get them moving and use their muscles the better. Playing with kids is also great exercise for us.
As for you if it's full fat that's available that's fine. You may find you eat less of other fat sauces. But as people have said, there is a lot of good stuff in the fats as well. Good luck
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Thank you all, and what you're saying does make sense. However, how do you explain my little niece who practically lives off of milk and is chubby. One dietician at my sister's job said my niece is overweight. She weighs 20kgs and is only 3.5 yrs old. Granted, she doesn't like to play, so she's a bit sedentary.
Recommendation for 3yr olds vary 80-100kcal/kg
Normal weight for 3yr old is 12,5kg - 16,5kg (average 14,5kg)
An average 3yo needs ~1300kcal (can vary greatly)
1l of 3,5% milk = 640kcal
Your niece would need 2l of milk to reach 1300kcal. Every single day.
I doubt that milk is the problem.0 -
The database has entries for raw milk-- it's a few more calories than regular whole milk but not a lot.
Log accurately, weigh out your portions when necessary. Adjust the amount of milk and yogurt if it's causing you to go over your calorie goal.0 -
safe? If anything it's healthier lol..0
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It's so much more healthier to have that fresh milk and yogurt than having that skim overly processed I-don't-know-what that is sold in most stores.
I always buy fresh milk from the farmers when I'm at a countryside during vacation. That milk without any chemicals just fresh from that happy fat pretty cow that spends her life relaxing on the grass... it can't be compared to anything from a store!0 -
Thank you all, and what you're saying does make sense. However, how do you explain my little niece who practically lives off of milk and is chubby. One dietician at my sister's job said my niece is overweight. She weighs 20kgs and is only 3.5 yrs old. Granted, she doesn't like to play, so she's a bit sedentary.
She is eating quite a bit and not moving. No food in the right portions will make anyone fat. Any food if served in too large of portions will make someone fat.0 -
Thank you all, and what you're saying does make sense. However, how do you explain my little niece who practically lives off of milk and is chubby. One dietician at my sister's job said my niece is overweight. She weighs 20kgs and is only 3.5 yrs old. Granted, she doesn't like to play, so she's a bit sedentary.
She is eating quite a bit and not moving. No food in the right portions will make anyone fat. Any food if served in too large of portions will make someone fat.
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It's so much more healthier to have that fresh milk and yogurt than having that skim overly processed I-don't-know-what that is sold in most stores.
I always buy fresh milk from the farmers when I'm at a countryside during vacation. That milk without any chemicals just fresh from that happy fat pretty cow that spends her life relaxing on the grass... it can't be compared to anything from a store!
Did you know there is more calcium in skimmed than full-fat, this is because the calcium is in the watery part of the milk.0 -
I eat mostly full fat dairy, but I don't tend to eat a lot of it so it is swings and roundabouts for me. I have been eating lower fat yoghurt this week but the other week i was putting full fat Greek Yoghurt in with my breakfast oats and loving it.
Obviously, it is easier if you can shave calories off and low fat yoghurt is about 50% less calories than normal yoghurt, but in my case I drink black coffee so can probably splurge from time to time in other areas.0 -
And if your niece only drinks milk she should have a lack of many nutrients ----> have less energy ---> be lazy ----> have no strenght to play ---> not move a lot ----> go back to the beginning of the chain0
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