Since when is a size 12 an "XL"?

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  • Yanicka1
    Yanicka1 Posts: 4,564 Member
    I love lululemon. My grip is the fact that they do their cloth for 5'8" women. My last top can be used as a dress on my 4'11" umpa lumpa size
  • bloominheck
    bloominheck Posts: 869 Member
    Uhhh...size 12 is large at the very least, bordering on XL. At that's from somebody who *likes* a size 12. OP has panties in a bunch. Big, extra large panties. :devil:

    Chart posted by BeachGinger is on the money...always has been in my memory.

    If anything, men's sizing might be more vanity focused than women's. Chest sizes in shirts have gone up 2-4 inches since I was a kid. Used to be 34-36 was small, 38-40 was a medium. Now mediums most places are 40-42, and cut *very* generously. Larges now run 44-46, XL doesn't even start until 48.

    Point being, calling a 12 an extra large isn't inaccurate at all, and it's sure a lot better than calling it a medium, like is happening in men's sizes now.

    how thoroughly patronising.

    Seriously... I agree.

    But as a girl that likes good prices.. I go to Kohl. I kno you are shaking your head. Tough, I like them.:blushing:
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    Lululemon runs big anyway and a person much larger than a 12/XL can fit in to their 12/XLs. Whatevs. Wear clothes that fit you, who cares about what size they are.
  • Martucha123
    Martucha123 Posts: 1,089 Member
    in Europe US size 12 is equivalent to XXL
    always have been like that. people get fatter. more people wearing size xxl = changing XXL to L
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    I'm just going to start paying someone to make my clothes. I tried on 30+ pairs of pants at a consignment store (all different brands) in 3 different sizes and not one fit.

    I am tall with fit legs but carry most of my fat in my lower belly. I cannot find a pair of pants that fit right. They are usually perfect in the waist but have so much room in the butt and legs, I could fit both legs in one leg of the pants.
  • obrientp
    obrientp Posts: 546 Member
    eh, I just go to Target. I've never been disappointed.
  • elyelyse
    elyelyse Posts: 1,454 Member
    Didn't read all 4 pages so I apologize if this was said....

    The large majority of people who are going to buy clothing at a store like lululemon ARE going to be smaller sizes. Therefore, producing larger sizes isn't going to be in their best financial interest, as there would be fewer sales on items that cost additional money to produce. The money that would go into creating those larger sizes for each item (they don't just make them "bigger" they have to be designed to be proportionately cut. also, requires more fabric, even a little adds up when you produce things in that quantity) would not result in profits equal to the money brought in by smaller sizes.

    As someone who doesn't quite fit into lululemon yet, I do find it disappointing, on the other hand, what a reward that will be when I can finally shop there! It's kinda nice that it's a reward that isn't accessible to me until I get much closer to my goal.
  • Adrianachiarato
    Adrianachiarato Posts: 362 Member
    12 US or UK?
  • JewelsinBigD
    JewelsinBigD Posts: 661 Member
    I agree with Tim Gunn - designers are really missing out on a market that is size 12 and above...
  • xvxCelticWandererxvx
    xvxCelticWandererxvx Posts: 2,890 Member
    What is a 12 in UK sizes?

    In UK sizes, it would be a 16.
  • BooBoo1264
    BooBoo1264 Posts: 164
    I wouldnt really go too much on sizes at lululemons.

    I am a size 12 and i wear their size 6 pants. with the drawstrings on most pants too. its pretty generous.
  • peleroja
    peleroja Posts: 3,979 Member
    Not trying to be dense here, but I never, ever see stuff bigger than a 14 in stores. 12-14 is definitely XL as it's the top of the size range in straight-size stores. Lulu is the rule, not the exception, and their clothes fit me the same as any other store. I don't have to size up or anything. Plus, it's all so stretchy that I used to be able to go a size or two smaller to suit my own vanity, actually. I wore a 4 there when I was a 6 most other places.

    Stores do what fits their image and makes a profit. It's nothing magical or unexpected. No store can cater to everyone.
  • AnninStPaul
    AnninStPaul Posts: 1,372 Member
    I thought it always had been. The clothing is a standard Misses' sizing.

    0-2 = XXS
    2-4 = XS
    4-6 = S
    6-8 = M
    8-10 = M/L
    10-12 = L
    12-14 = XL

    Above 12-14, the sizes change to a Women's sizing.

    Some stores have adjusted so that 4-6 becomes XS, but it is a vanity adjustment. They also have adjusted Misses' clothing to go up to sizes 16-18 so that they can market to more people.

    If you're upset by this, imagine Japan. a size 6 petite is XL or XXL in many stores.

    QFT. For as long as I can remember "Plus Sizing" has started at size 12. Even LB starts at size 12 and in my memory always has.

    Nope, sorry. Ten years ago 14-16 was XL.
  • mister_universe
    mister_universe Posts: 6,664 Member
    I thought it always had been. The clothing is a standard Misses' sizing.

    0-2 = XXS
    2-4 = XS
    4-6 = S
    6-8 = M
    8-10 = M/L
    10-12 = L
    12-14 = XL

    Above 12-14, the sizes change to a Women's sizing.

    Some stores have adjusted so that 4-6 becomes XS, but it is a vanity adjustment. They also have adjusted Misses' clothing to go up to sizes 16-18 so that they can market to more people.

    If you're upset by this, imagine Japan. a size 6 petite is XL or XXL in many stores.

    QFT. For as long as I can remember "Plus Sizing" has started at size 12. Even LB starts at size 12 and in my memory always has.

    Nope, sorry. Ten years ago 14-16 was XL.

    Some of us are comparing to 30 years ago...I can remember that far back. Sears catalog when I was 12 is pretty powerful stuff. :wink:
  • savithny
    savithny Posts: 1,200 Member
    Here's the other thing - maybe I've never been bothered by L vs XL because, lets face it,I'm large.

    I am 5'10. I have size 10 feet. I have a 33" inseam, and I have wide hips.

    Even when I was in the "ideal" weight range for my height? No one was EVER going to call me "small." I will be still be LARGE or even EXTRA LARGE if I lose so much I'm underweight.

    I'm big, I take up space. Fact.
  • shining_light
    shining_light Posts: 384 Member
    One of my very extra-large coworkers once suggested to me that I shop at a plus-size store. I'm a size 6-8, depending on the clothing store. For some reason, the store I buy jeans at sells odd numbers, so I'm a size 7 there. My dimensions are so unusual, though. I have massive hips, but no overly large butt or thighs to balance me out, so she suggested that I try there and see what they can come up with. I would imagine lots of those stores would be more used to catering to unusual proportions. I'm typically a medium when I shop, but it's not like I'm offended when I go into a different store and find that I happen to be a large in their clothing. Everyone should just wear what they want and ignore marketing crap, because that's just what it is: crap. Yeah, it makes shopping for clothing incredibly frustrating when everyone doesn't have a uniform size, but that's the world I live in. It's also why I pretty much never go shopping. Too time consuming.
  • janessanessa
    janessanessa Posts: 299 Member
    No one sees the tags on your clothing anyway.

    Sure, the smaller number makes me feel good..... But honestly, as long as an item of
    clothing fits well and flatters my figure, I could care less what size the tag says.

    What a breath of fresh air...I''ve been trying to live by this philosphy, but it's been so hard for me.....
  • jsandie76
    jsandie76 Posts: 201 Member
    i don't know, i take more issue with stores like old navy, who sell plus size clothes but ONLY online. love the message of 'sure we'll take your money but we don't want to see you in our stores, fatty.'

    I don't know if its just around here, but I have gone to a few different Old Navy's stores (some in Canada and some in the US) and have had no problems finding plus sizes in their stores at all.
  • danasings
    danasings Posts: 8,218 Member
    No one sees the tags on your clothing anyway.

    Sure, the smaller number makes me feel good..... But honestly, as long as an item of
    clothing fits well and flatters my figure, I could care less what size the tag says.

    I totally agree. It's like the scale...no one knows that number but you (unless you advertise it). Most people look at me and guess that I weigh a good 15-20 pounds less than I actually do. *shrug*

    ETA: When I was plus-size, the ONLY place I could find clothes that fit me properly was Old Navy. So the whole "no plus size available in stores" must be regional.
  • UrbanLotus
    UrbanLotus Posts: 1,163 Member
    No one sees the tags on your clothing anyway.

    Sure, the smaller number makes me feel good..... But honestly, as long as an item of
    clothing fits well and flatters my figure, I could care less what size the tag says.

    Going to try to keep this in mind, good philosophy!
    For some reason, the store I buy jeans at sells odd numbers, so I'm a size 7 there.

    The reason is that its a Juniors store - odd numbers are Juniors sizing. Even numbers are Misses.
  • c_tap77
    c_tap77 Posts: 189 Member
    I think the key thing to keep in mind here is that one size 12 woman is not equal to another.

    I'm 5'8" and even when I was a size 12, XL clothes did not always fit me properly because of where I carry my weight (in my middle).

    However my mom (who has larger hips and a tush to boot) wears a size 12 and fits in to M shirts very nicely.

    My little sister (who is 5'11" and is a size 4) has to wear M shirts sometimes because she has a 32 DD chest.

    My point is that body shape has just as much to do with sizing as weight does.

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