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Fruit is making me go over on my sugars
wlbrown0766
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I have a bit of a dilemma. Donuts, pastries, cake, cookies, brownies....they are all my weakness...a total addiction. I eat fruit to keep me going off the deep end but it seems I'm over on my sugars every day due to this. Does anyone else experience the same thing? The fruit really does keep me from going totally AWOL. Just interested if others are having the same experience.
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yes, natural sugar is still sugar... so although you have more health benefits from the nutrition and fiber... we can't just substitute one addiction of junk sugar with too much fruit sugar... so... keep in mind... MODERATION...
You may want to consider... biting the bullet and going fruit free... you will go through withdrawals... but then... you can slowly introduce a more controlled amount into your daily diet...
Good Luck! It sure is not easy0 -
Going over on sugar isn't a bad thing I am vegan I go over in one meal lol If it is helping you kick unhealthier habits then great you will not get fat eating fruit ( if you don't believe me go google fruitarians yes they exist) make sure you do drink enough water when you eat a lot of fruit though all that fiber without water is not a happy tummy.0
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I totally felt the same... especially in the beginning. I have a crazy sweet tooth. but, I found that over time it got less & less(which I am so grateful for!). OBVIOUSLY fruit is the lesser of the two evils!! Now, I have gotten to the point where I don't feel like I NEED something sweet after every single other food I eat. Keep chugging along... it'll get easier. Just like "what about bob" Baby steps! (I hope you get that reference.... it used to be my favorite movie)0
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Unless you have been advised to do so by a doctor, there is no reason to track any sugar separate from carbohydrates.
That said, the MFP setting is based on the American Heart Association's recommendations for "added sugars" but in the ultimate demonstration of derp, MFP goes right ahead and counts naturally occurring sugars in the same way it counts "added sugars," hence your frustration with fruit.
So, long story short, and silly arguments aside, make sure you get sufficient protein (which MFP is way under recommending) and dietary fats, and so long as you hit those macros, and get enough fiber, and hit your calorie goals, the amount of sugar that leaves you won't be enough to worry about.
So . . . I don't track my sugar separately from general carbs for this reason.
ETA: The trick here is balance and moderation which shouldn't come as any surprise0 -
In my opinion, I don't think you should worry about it. It's fruit- it's good for you. And if it helps you fight your cravings against sweets that aren't good for you at all, then more power to ya'. I don't stress about my sugars getting in the red as long as my calories are where they should be.0
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Go entirely sugar free. I did it for 12 weeks last year and yes it was difficult but SO worth it. It really is true that when you withdraw from sugar entirely - that is fructose - including added sugars in bottled sauces, bread, etc, your body stops craving it eventually and you'll feel like a million bucks.
Try it!0 -
Going over on sugar isn't a bad thing I am vegan I go over in one meal lol If it is helping you kick unhealthier habits then great you will not get fat eating fruit ( if you don't believe me go google fruitarians yes they exist) make sure you do drink enough water when you eat a lot of fruit though all that fiber without water is not a happy tummy.
Yes. Google Steve Jobs and pancreatic cancer while you are at it. Eating any food to the exclusion of a well balanced diet is not exactly a good idea.0 -
have you been checked for diabetes?0
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Going over on sugar isn't a bad thing I am vegan I go over in one meal lol If it is helping you kick unhealthier habits then great you will not get fat eating fruit ( if you don't believe me go google fruitarians yes they exist) make sure you do drink enough water when you eat a lot of fruit though all that fiber without water is not a happy tummy.
Yes. Google Steve Jobs and pancreatic cancer while you are at it. Eating any food to the exclusion of a well balanced diet is not exactly a good idea.
Yup too much of a bad thing is def a bad thing but they go crazy over board with it I am just pointing out that's all they eat and a lot of it and are not fat
( note he also was know to have eating disorders)0 -
Personally I would define that diet, disordered eating.Going over on sugar isn't a bad thing I am vegan I go over in one meal lol If it is helping you kick unhealthier habits then great you will not get fat eating fruit ( if you don't believe me go google fruitarians yes they exist) make sure you do drink enough water when you eat a lot of fruit though all that fiber without water is not a happy tummy.
Yes. Google Steve Jobs and pancreatic cancer while you are at it. Eating any food to the exclusion of a well balanced diet is not exactly a good idea.
Yup too much of a bad thing is def a bad thing but they go crazy over board with it I am just pointing out that's all they eat and a lot of it and are not fat
( note he also was know to have eating disorders)0 -
Going over on sugar isn't a bad thing I am vegan I go over in one meal lol If it is helping you kick unhealthier habits then great you will not get fat eating fruit ( if you don't believe me go google fruitarians yes they exist) make sure you do drink enough water when you eat a lot of fruit though all that fiber without water is not a happy tummy.
Yes. Google Steve Jobs and pancreatic cancer while you are at it. Eating any food to the exclusion of a well balanced diet is not exactly a good idea.
Yup too much of a bad thing is def a bad thing but they go crazy over board with it I am just pointing out that's all they eat and a lot of it and are not fat
If you are discussing such a diet in terms of demonstrating the principle of calories in versus calories out, which it, along with approaches such as the Twinkie diet, does demonstrate, it is still important to note that such an approach is not healthy. Nor does it exactly help with body recomposition.0 -
yep, type 2 here, but able to keep A1C at appropriate levels with diet and once daily Metformin. Doc says I'm at the point where if lose weight and keep it down, will probably be able to go off all meds, hence the motivation to make this work. I know I'm not a poster child for good diabetes eating habits but way better than before and getting better.0
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I eat fruit, and always go over on sugar. Most days I will also eat a couple of squares of sugar free raw chocolate, and a frozen yoghurt that has a small amount of sugar in it. I had a glucose tolerance test recently that was normal. I used to binge on sugar and since calorie counting I have dramatically decreased the amount of sugar in my diet, so I'm not concerned about going over. I've never drunk soda. Personally I'd be miserable if I couldn't eat sweet foods.
I've edited this post as I read that you do have diabetes. I think it would be worth speaking to a nutritionist about an appropriate amount of sugar in your diet, including from fruit, if you're monitoring your levels.
If you are interested in going down the "quit sugar" path, the Australian Sarah Wilson http://www.sarahwilson.com.au has a tailored program and cook books that assist you. I find she's fairly sensible but she does advocate giving up fruit in the initial stages. http://www.iquitsugar.com.0 -
I should also add that I don't go crazy on fruit, I would maybe three pieces a day but just those three pieces seem to knock my sugars out every day.0
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yep, type 2 here, but able to keep A1C at appropriate levels with diet and once daily Metformin. Doc says I'm at the point where if lose weight and keep it down, will probably be able to go off all meds, hence the motivation to make this work. I know I'm not a poster child for good diabetes eating habits but way better than before and getting better.
Two strong pieces of advice: (1) strictly follow your doctor's orders, and (2) get out of the general forums and join the "Eat, Train, Progress" group here. Success isn't going to come by chasing every silly diet fad out there, but it will come through applying a reasoned and science based approach along with a steady dose of discipline and moderation.
Start by reading these: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/833026-important-posts-to-read0 -
yes, natural sugar is still sugar... so although you have more health benefits from the nutrition and fiber... we can't just substitute one addiction of junk sugar with too much fruit sugar... so... keep in mind... MODERATION...
You may want to consider... biting the bullet and going fruit free. you will go through withdrawals... but then... you can slowly introduce a more controlled amount into your daily diet...
Good Luck! It sure is not easy
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OP: It sounds like fruits are helping you moderate your calorie intake. Unless you have other health issues (like diabetes), just make sure your macros are in line and enjoy your fruits.0 -
yep, type 2 here, but able to keep A1C at appropriate levels with diet and once daily Metformin. Doc says I'm at the point where if lose weight and keep it down, will probably be able to go off all meds, hence the motivation to make this work. I know I'm not a poster child for good diabetes eating habits but way better than before and getting better.
Two strong pieces of advice: (1) strictly follow your doctor's orders, and (2) get out of the general forums and join the "Eat, Train, Progress" group here. Success isn't going to come by chasing every silly diet fad out there, but it will come through applying a reasoned and science based approach along with a steady dose of discipline and moderation.
Start by reading these: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/833026-important-posts-to-read0 -
yep, type 2 here, but able to keep A1C at appropriate levels with diet and once daily Metformin. Doc says I'm at the point where if lose weight and keep it down, will probably be able to go off all meds, hence the motivation to make this work. I know I'm not a poster child for good diabetes eating habits but way better than before and getting better.
Two strong pieces of advice: (1) strictly follow your doctor's orders, and (2) get out of the general forums and join the "Eat, Train, Progress" group here. Success isn't going to come by chasing every silly diet fad out there, but it will come through applying a reasoned and science based approach along with a steady dose of discipline and moderation.
Start by reading these: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/833026-important-posts-to-read
Woops, we were posting at the same time and I didn't see your response here. Beach is totally right. ETP is a much better place to get reasoned, research based information for the long haul approach.0 -
yep, type 2 here, but able to keep A1C at appropriate levels with diet and once daily Metformin. Doc says I'm at the point where if lose weight and keep it down, will probably be able to go off all meds, hence the motivation to make this work. I know I'm not a poster child for good diabetes eating habits but way better than before and getting better.
Two strong pieces of advice: (1) strictly follow your doctor's orders, and (2) get out of the general forums and join the "Eat, Train, Progress" group here. Success isn't going to come by chasing every silly diet fad out there, but it will come through applying a reasoned and science based approach along with a steady dose of discipline and moderation.
Start by reading these: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/833026-important-posts-to-read
ok...just joined the group....thanks!0 -
yes, natural sugar is still sugar... so although you have more health benefits from the nutrition and fiber... we can't just substitute one addiction of junk sugar with too much fruit sugar... so... keep in mind... MODERATION...
You may want to consider... biting the bullet and going fruit free. you will go through withdrawals... but then... you can slowly introduce a more controlled amount into your daily diet...
Good Luck! It sure is not easy
LOL NO
OP: It sounds like fruits are helping you moderate your calorie intake. Unless you have other health issues (like diabetes), just make sure your macros are in line and enjoy your fruits.
I've been reading some about 'Macros' but sounds like I need to research and learn0 -
yes, natural sugar is still sugar... so although you have more health benefits from the nutrition and fiber... we can't just substitute one addiction of junk sugar with too much fruit sugar... so... keep in mind... MODERATION...
You may want to consider... biting the bullet and going fruit free. you will go through withdrawals... but then... you can slowly introduce a more controlled amount into your daily diet...
Good Luck! It sure is not easy
LOL NO
OP: It sounds like fruits are helping you moderate your calorie intake. Unless you have other health issues (like diabetes), just make sure your macros are in line and enjoy your fruits.
I've been reading some about 'Macros' but sounds like I need to research and learn
Start by reading the posts I linked to and getting that incorporated into what you're doing. Don't be afraid to take baby steps in this. None of us started out with a perfect diet and exercise program and you shouldn't expect yourself to be any different, or make the mistake of holding yourself up to a perfect standard. Be kind and forgiving to yourself but pushy at the same. If you screw up, let it go, just get right back on it the next meal or day. The trick is sticking to it over the long haul. I'm not alone in saying that I'm happy to help and that the ETP group is a great place to start.0 -
Going over on sugar isn't a bad thing I am vegan I go over in one meal lol If it is helping you kick unhealthier habits then great you will not get fat eating fruit ( if you don't believe me go google fruitarians yes they exist) make sure you do drink enough water when you eat a lot of fruit though all that fiber without water is not a happy tummy.
Yes. Google Steve Jobs and pancreatic cancer while you are at it. Eating any food to the exclusion of a well balanced diet is not exactly a good idea.
Are you implying Steve Jobs got cancer because of his diet? I thought your view was you can't get cancer from food, or is this diet the exception?
I will say though that you are not the only one to speculate on the frutarian diet putting too much stress on the pancreas which could have led to or contributed to him getting cancer. Interesting observation considering the source: http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/kdaniel/2012/12/31/veganthink-dr-john-mcdougall-explains-the-death-of-steve-jobs/
It's possible. Sad whatever caused it, that's for sure.0 -
yes, natural sugar is still sugar... so although you have more health benefits from the nutrition and fiber... we can't just substitute one addiction of junk sugar with too much fruit sugar... so... keep in mind... MODERATION...
You may want to consider... biting the bullet and going fruit free. you will go through withdrawals... but then... you can slowly introduce a more controlled amount into your daily diet...
Good Luck! It sure is not easy
LOL NO
OP: It sounds like fruits are helping you moderate your calorie intake. Unless you have other health issues (like diabetes), just make sure your macros are in line and enjoy your fruits.
I've been reading some about 'Macros' but sounds like I need to research and learn
Start by reading the posts I linked to and getting that incorporated into what you're doing. Don't be afraid to take baby steps in this. None of us started out with a perfect diet and exercise program and you shouldn't expect yourself to be any different, or make the mistake of holding yourself up to a perfect standard. Be kind and forgiving to yourself but pushy at the same. If you screw up, let it go, just get right back on it the next meal or day. The trick is sticking to it over the long haul. I'm not alone in saying that I'm happy to help and that the ETP group is a great place to start.
awesome...thanks!0 -
Going over on sugar isn't a bad thing I am vegan I go over in one meal lol If it is helping you kick unhealthier habits then great you will not get fat eating fruit ( if you don't believe me go google fruitarians yes they exist) make sure you do drink enough water when you eat a lot of fruit though all that fiber without water is not a happy tummy.
Yes. Google Steve Jobs and pancreatic cancer while you are at it. Eating any food to the exclusion of a well balanced diet is not exactly a good idea.
Yup too much of a bad thing is def a bad thing but they go crazy over board with it I am just pointing out that's all they eat and a lot of it and are not fat
If you are discussing such a diet in terms of demonstrating the principle of calories in versus calories out, which it, along with approaches such as the Twinkie diet, does demonstrate, it is still important to note that such an approach is not healthy. Nor does it exactly help with body recomposition.
Yup that is what i was getting at you eat 100 cals of any thing its still 100 cals0 -
I a tryin to follow the everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial line of thought here. May not be expressing it well lol0
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Going over on sugar isn't a bad thing I am vegan I go over in one meal lol If it is helping you kick unhealthier habits then great you will not get fat eating fruit ( if you don't believe me go google fruitarians yes they exist) make sure you do drink enough water when you eat a lot of fruit though all that fiber without water is not a happy tummy.
Yes. Google Steve Jobs and pancreatic cancer while you are at it. Eating any food to the exclusion of a well balanced diet is not exactly a good idea.
Are you implying Steve Jobs got cancer because of his diet? I thought your view was you can't get cancer from food, or is this diet the exception?
I will say though that you are not the only one to speculate on the frutarian diet putting too much stress on the pancreas which could have led to or contributed to him getting cancer. Interesting observation considering the source: http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/kdaniel/2012/12/31/veganthink-dr-john-mcdougall-explains-the-death-of-steve-jobs/
It's possible. Sad whatever caused it, that's for sure.
My understanding is that the specific causes of pancreatic cancer are still a bit of a mystery. That said, adhering to a diet such as this which is known to cause issues with the pancreas wouldn't be expected to help. At the very least, I think it is wise to consider it, along with Ashton Kutcher's attempt to follow this diet, a cautionary tale.
As for my views on cancer, I'm pretty sure that I haven't completely voiced them on MFP. Suffice it to say that while certain cancers have been linked to diet, cancer as a whole is an incredibly complex subject and to attribute it generally to diet and nutrition alone would be premature at best, particularly when research continues to reveal other factors such as genetic and even viral links.0 -
You should consider the 21 sugar detox. I'm on day 3 and am starting to feel really good. Check out my diary and you'll see how much good stuff I get to eat but still stay under on sugar.0
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nevermind.0
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Question of the day, since you are diabetic. Are you having difficulty controlling your insulin and blood sugar levels with the fruit or just with the tracking on MFP?0
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Question of the day, since you are diabetic. Are you having difficulty controlling your insulin and blood sugar levels with the fruit or just with the tracking on MFP?
I have to be honest, I don't test my sugar daily like most, I don't like it and I don't like being a slave to it. Right or wrong it's how I feel about it. I've heard the lectures over and over and over and over again from friends and family, but I'm a grown man and it's the decision I've made. My doctor tests my A1C every 3 moths and that will just have to suffice. Since I've learned that I am type2 I've been able to bring my A1C down from 9 initially to keeping it at around 6.3 - 6.5 and last time was 5.4. So I would have to say the improvement is probably a mix of eating less refined sugar products, losing weight, being more active, and taking one dose of Metformin a day. My doctor is ok with progress so far and doesn't hound me about the testing..she knows I don't stick..so hopefully we can keep on this good track.0
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