What about the carbs?!?!
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Brown rice isn't a terrible choice*. It's a good source of insoluble fiber, which we need in addition to soluble fiber and our other nutrients. As long as we are getting enough of the other nutrients, brown rice is a good addition to our diets. It helps "sweep" away the bulk, as any insoluble fiber does.
*Unless you have IBD, are in a flare, and need to really restrict your fiber intake. I speak from painful experience there. Fortunately my IBD is currently in remission.0 -
Carbohydrates are probably one of the more unclear things about nutrition. Simply because they come in such a range: good carbs, bad carbs, fast carbs and slow carbs and each of them has its place in our diets and each of them fills a different void. It’s also one of the things that trips people up most often. So, today we’re going to take a little peek behind the curtain and try to shed some light on carbs to help you make better and more informed food choices.
What are good carbs and what do they do?
One of the most important things about good carbohydrates is that they are absolbed into our bodies slowly. Which helps avoid spikes and valleys in our blood sugar levels (reducing your risk for type 2 diabetes). They also help you to feel satisfied longer than other foods, reducing your tendancy to munch on other things! Good carbs are excellent sources of fiber, which is another essential source of our nutrition. A diet that is high in fiber has been shown to have decreased risks of heart disease, there is some evidence to suggest that it may help to prevent colon cancer and promote weight control and helps to lower blood cholesterol. Now, where can you find these amazing carbohydrates? Well, whole grains are an excellent source of good carbs and fiber, vegetables, fruits, oats and beans.
To get more fiber into your diet here are some quick tips:
1. Eat plenty of fruits and vegetables. Just 5 servings a day of fruits and vegetables can get you about 10 grams of fiber a day depending on which ones you choose.
2. Include beans and bean products in your diet. A half cup of cooked beans can add 4-8 grams of fiber to your day.
3. The better carbs for most people are unprocessed or minimally processed whole foods that contain natural sugar, like fructose or lactose in milk.
But, the problem with the typical American diet is that it is anything but high in fiber, which leads me to the other side: the bad carbs.
What are bad carbs and what do they do?
Bad carbohydrates consist mainly of sugars, added sugars and refined white grains. Unfortunately, our diets are made up of tons of bad carbs! How often do we have a bagel or a muffin in the morning made from white flour followed by a hamburger on a white bun and ending with white rice for dinner? Even many whole grain breads have white flour listed as the second ingredient on the label! Generally, the more refined or the ‘whiter’ the grain-based food the lower the fiber content, which we have already discussed as being very important! Sugars and refined grains supply quick energy to the body in the form of glucose. That’s a good thing-if your body needs quick energy, for example, if you’re running a race or sports competition. But because of their high calorie content and low fiber benefits coupled with the sheer volume of such foods in our diets compounds to add up to lots of extra pounds over time! The more you can incorporate and substitute good carbs into your diet to replace bad carbs the happier, healthier and slimmer your body will become!
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Nonsense. There are no "bad carbs". Please don't demonize food and spread dangerously antiquated information. Thanks.0 -
As it can with calorie counting. Just saying.Eating disorders/deteriorating relationship with foods can start with this type of nutritional dissection.........0 -
As it can with calorie counting. Just saying.Eating disorders/deteriorating relationship with foods can start with this type of nutritional dissection.........
I see what you're trying to say, but where's the line? I balance my bank accounts. Am I at risk for a banking disorder?0 -
As it can with calorie counting. Just saying.Eating disorders/deteriorating relationship with foods can start with this type of nutritional dissection.........
I see what you're trying to say, but where's the line? I balance my bank accounts. Am I at risk for a banking disorder?
Anyone with banking disorders can feel free to paypal me excess funds at no additional cost.0 -
There is no such thing as a good carb or bad carb. This entire post is based on misinformation. Carbs are carbs. Calories matter. Getting enough protein matters. Getting enough fat matters. Getting enough fiber matters. Agonizing over white rice vs brown rice is silly.
No need to agonize. I have it all worked out.
Chipotle bol - brown rice
Chipotle burrito - white rice
Its really the delivery method that matters.
OP - a lot of people find it easy to set up a diet where they have certain food on the 'No' list. It essentially forces you to cut your calories by eliminating certain choices from your diet. For some people this is easier than just counting calories, or they find it easier to manage their calories when they do it that way. This is basically where the whole 'good/bad' rhetoric comes from - you basically eliminate sweets and the kinds of food that people tend to mindlessly snack on or eat (like chips, crackers, bread and butter -- the kind of stuff they give you at a restaurant while you wait). Eliminating those 'bad' carbs means you stop eating that stuff. But its not the bread's fault. Or the chips. Its because you mindlessly added 300-500 calories worth of snacks and then ate a meal on top of it.
Anyway. I think its a fine strategy as long as you understand that its not the sugar. Also, by replacing that type of stuff with fibrous stuff you increase your fiber intake and most people dont' eat enough. But again. Its not the evil carbs. You could have balanced it by getting more fiber without completely cutting out carbs (like adding a cup of fibrous vegetables to your dinner of meat and mashed potatoes and still having a sandwich on delicious white bread with some vegetables included for lunch).0 -
It does work well. It's not a very popular approach on here, however.I did research this before I wrote it up...and I gotta say it's certainly working for me and has worked for a lot of others who are doing the same thing that I know .
I didn't dissect your post to see if you were scientifically accurate in all that you said, nor will I play semantics with you, as is so popular on here as a form of "discussion", however fwiw, while I don't use the same terminology you do, I eat very much as you describe. I NEVER eat white bread (or any packaged foods with enriched or bromated white flour). In fact I don't eat anything that specifically says "enriched" or "fortified". I eat white rice in sushi only.
I don't eat foods with more than 5grams of added sugar.
I don't eat much in the way of heavily processed, packaged "convenience foods".
I eat a lot of whole foods, including whole grains. I eat lean meats. I eat vegetables and fruits.
I drink wine. I eat dark chocolate from time to time.
I have a sandwich for lunch as often as suits me. I have a whole grain pizza whenever the mood strikes me.
But by and large, I eat a lot of whole foods, mostly plants. Not too much.
I've been told my way of life "isn't sustainable", but I've been doing it for 12 years AND KEPT MY WEIGHT OFF for 12 years AND AM HAPPY, so I think it's going pretty well.
It works, because it does two things for you: it creates a caloric deficit and it keeps you from feeling cravings, or having those dreaded blood sugar swings.. Some people like that effect. I'm one of those people.
Keep doing what works for you, then get to goal weight and keep doing it.
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No. Don't be silly.
As it can with calorie counting. Just saying.Eating disorders/deteriorating relationship with foods can start with this type of nutritional dissection.........
I see what you're trying to say, but where's the line? I balance my bank accounts. Am I at risk for a banking disorder?
I choose not to have credit cards. Am I at risk for a banking disorder? No. Don't be silly.
ANY approach to weight loss that becomes obsessive or whathaveyou isn't good.
Does eliminating starchy carbs lead to an ED? No. Does calorie counting? No.
Does eating Atkins? no. Does eating a la IIFYM? no.0 -
Brown rice is actually a terrible choice. All the nutrients in brown rice are trapped in the fiber, which your body cannot digest. So your body can't actually use any of the nutrients in brown rice. White rice, on the other hand, is very easily processed by the body, and as the nutrients are transferred out of the fiber and into the rice kernel in the processing of the rice, it's highly bio available and gives you a great nutrient boost.
Sigh ... Where to start?
Brown rice is, for most people, the healthy choice between rices. Brown rice is made white by the REMOVAL of the bran and the germ, which does nothing to transfer the nutrients out of the fiber and into the rice kernal.
Much of the white rice sold in the US is "enriched." Enriched white rice has had some nutrients added to it but still it has LESS of almost all nutrients than brown rice. Information comparing the values for each nutrient in brown and white rice has been made into an easy to peruse chart at http://www.rebeccablood.net/domestic/rice.html. The builder of the chart used USDA data which is the data used for just about all nutritional information on printed packages, in commonly used databases, etc.
Actual data, it's so darn prejudicial.0 -
Yes, and the good carbs get to play video games after supper. Not sure what the slow ones get. Maybe a private tutor. :laugh:Do the bad carbs stand in the corner or do you just give them a time-out?0 -
And now we're back to last weekend's thread. Mocking folks.
Yes, and the good carbs get to play video games after supper. Not sure what the slow ones get. Maybe a private tutor. :laugh:Do the bad carbs stand in the corner or do you just give them a time-out?
Next up a dozen or so donut gifs.
SSDD on myfitness pal.
And we'll spend pages pretending we don't understand what the other person is trying to convey.0 -
And now we're back to last weekend's thread. Mocking folks.
Yes, and the good carbs get to play video games after supper. Not sure what the slow ones get. Maybe a private tutor. :laugh:Do the bad carbs stand in the corner or do you just give them a time-out?
Next up a dozen or so donut gifs.
SSDD on myfitness pal.
And we'll spend pages pretending we don't understand what the other person is trying to convey.
I'm just trying to understand the differences between good and bad carbs because I don't label my macros that way.
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white rice is a 'bad' carb? I think you may be off the mark there. If anything is a 'bad' carb it's the gluten based stuff IMO.0
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Was that a full dozen?
And now we're back to last weekend's thread. Mocking folks.
Yes, and the good carbs get to play video games after supper. Not sure what the slow ones get. Maybe a private tutor. :laugh:Do the bad carbs stand in the corner or do you just give them a time-out?
Next up a dozen or so donut gifs.
SSDD on myfitness pal.
And we'll spend pages pretending we don't understand what the other person is trying to convey.
I'm just trying to understand the differences between good and bad carbs because I don't label my macros that way.0 -
I eat whatever carbs I want to eat, when I want.
It's never hindered my weight loss.
In general though, I would opt for carbs obtained from fruits and veg, as opposed to read and pasta. I love both white and brown rice. Doesn't really taste any different when it's covered in Spanish sauce.0 -
Have you found that one or the other made it easier to KEEP the weight off? This is where I saw a big difference. But again, that's me, so I'll keep doing it.I eat whatever carbs I want to eat, when I want.
It's never hindered my weight loss.
In general though, I would opt for carbs obtained from fruits and veg, as opposed to read and pasta. I love both white and brown rice. Doesn't really taste any different when it's covered in Spanish sauce.0 -
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Carbs do not work for me. I limit them.0
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Carbs don't come in a range. They come in starches, sugars, and fiber.
And dividing them into "good, bad, slow, and fast" is just...well...no.
Incorrect.0 -
What about happy and sad carbs?
All my carbs are happy because I chose them just for meeee.0 -
She's selling stuff. Just wait for your "invitation" in an email from her... :noway:0
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She's been here since april. What would she be selling? Kale?She's selling stuff. Just wait for your "invitation" in an email from her... :noway:0 -
Beachbody stuff.
She's been here since april. What would she be selling? Kale?She's selling stuff. Just wait for your "invitation" in an email from her... :noway:0 -
You have inspired me to write a childrens story. Thank You.
I do not like carbs,
Sam-I-am.
I do not like
white bread with my ham.
Would you like carbs
Here or there?
I would not like carbs
here or there.
I would not like carbs
anywhere.
I do not like
white bread with my ham.
I do not like carbs,
Sam-I-am
Would you like carbs
in my house?
Would you like carbs
with a mouse?
I do not like carbs
in my house.
I do not like carbs
with a mouse.
I do not like carbs
here or there.
I do not like carbs
anywhere.
I do not like white bread with my ham.
I do not like carbs, Sam-I-am.
Would you eat pop tarts
out of a box?
Would you eat pop tarts
with a fox?
Not in a box.
Not with a fox.
Not in a house.
Not with a mouse.
I would not eat carbs here or there.
I would not eat carbs anywhere.
I would not eat potato salad with my ham.
I do not like carbs, Sam-I-am.
Would you? Could you?
in a car?
Eat carbs! Eat carbs!
Here they are.
I would not ,
could not,
in a car
You may like carbs.
You will see.
You may like carbs
in a tree?
d not in a tree.
I would not, could not in a tree.
Not in a car! You let me be.
I do not like carbs in a box.
I do not like carbs with a fox
I do not like carbs in my house
I do ont like carbs with a mouse
I do not like carbs here or there.
I do not like carbs anywhere.
I do not like mashed potatoes with my ham.
I do not like carbs, Sam-I-am.
A train! A train!
A train! A train!
Could you, would you
on a train?
Not on a train! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! Sam! Let me be!
I would not, could not, out of a box.
I could not, would not, with a fox.
I will not eat carbs with a mouse
I will not eat carbs in a house.
I will not eat carbs here or there.
I will not eat carbs anywhere.
I do not like carbs, Sam-I-am.
Say!
In the dark?
Here in the dark!
Would you, could you, in the dark?
I would not, could not,
in the dark.
Would you, could you,
in the rain?
I would not, could not, in the rain.
Not in the dark. Not on a train,
Not in a car, Not in a tree.
I do not like carbs, Sam, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
I will not eat carbs here or there.
I do not like carbs anywhere!
You do not like
white bread with my ham?
I do not
like the carbzzzz,
Sam-I-am.
Could you, would you,
with a goat?
I would not,
could not.
with a goat!
Would you, could you,
on a boat?
I could not, would not, on a boat.
I will not, will not, with a goat.
I will not eat carbs in the rain.
I will not eat carbs on a train.
Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! You let me be!
I do not like carbs in a box.
I do not like carbs with a fox.
I will not eat carbs in a house.
I do not like carbs with a mouse.
I do not like carbs here or there.
I do not like carbs ANYWHERE!
I do not like
white bread with my ham!
I do not like carbs,
Sam-I-am.
You do not like carbs.
SO you say.
Try carbs! Try carbs!
And you may.
Try carbs and you may I say.
Sam!
If you will let me be,
I will try carbs.
You will see.
Say!
I like white bread with my ham!
I do!! I like carbs, Sam-I-am!
And I would eat carbs in a boat!
And I would eat carbs with a goat...
And I will eat carbs in the rain.
And in the dark. And on a train.
And in a car. And in a tree.
They are so good so good you see!
So I will eat carbs in a box.
And I will eat carbs with a fox.
And I will eat carbs in a house.
And I will eat carbs with a mouse.
And I will eat carbs here and there.
Say! I will eat carbs ANYWHERE!
I do so like
white bread with my ham!
Thank you!
Thank you,
Sam-I-am
Pizza, Pizza in my bell el ie
If it fits your marcos chow down with glee!0 -
Again, that's on paper. Bioavailability of the nutrients is a different thing altogether. There have been studies published that show white is superior to brown rice as to bioavailability of nutrients, as well as the phytonutrients in the brown rice have a tendency to block absorption of other nutrients. I admit brown rice has more nutritional value on paper. However, your body can not make use of them, so it's a waste of calories.Brown rice is actually a terrible choice. All the nutrients in brown rice are trapped in the fiber, which your body cannot digest. So your body can't actually use any of the nutrients in brown rice. White rice, on the other hand, is very easily processed by the body, and as the nutrients are transferred out of the fiber and into the rice kernel in the processing of the rice, it's highly bio available and gives you a great nutrient boost.
Sigh ... Where to start?
Brown rice is, for most people, the healthy choice between rices. Brown rice is made white by the REMOVAL of the bran and the germ, which does nothing to transfer the nutrients out of the fiber and into the rice kernal.
Much of the white rice sold in the US is "enriched." Enriched white rice has had some nutrients added to it but still it has LESS of almost all nutrients than brown rice. Information comparing the values for each nutrient in brown and white rice has been made into an easy to peruse chart at http://www.rebeccablood.net/domestic/rice.html. The builder of the chart used USDA data which is the data used for just about all nutritional information on printed packages, in commonly used databases, etc.
Actual data, it's so darn prejudicial.
As for th processing of brown rice to white rice, you may want to look up parboiling.0 -
I doubt it.
Beachbody stuff.
She's been here since april. What would she be selling? Kale?She's selling stuff. Just wait for your "invitation" in an email from her... :noway:
She is (or was) using it. She posted about it very enthusiastically a while ago.
Perhaps she will.
But then, we have lots of folks selling stuff here (some are just more subtle than others).0 -
Holy crap!!
I didn't mean to start a war people!! I will honestly admit that I did not add a disclaimer that not everyone thinks about things or does things in the same terms.....I can guarantee you that I won't forget that the next time that I post a thread lol!!!
But I didn't post it to tear down anyone else's idea of thinking either. I posted it because I see people asking about good carbs and bad carbs. And yes, good, bad, slow and fast are exactly how I think of them and I eat them then based on what I need fuel for. For example, I like having fast carbs with my last meal of the day because I don't have a lot to do after dinner and I am going to bed 2-3 hours later so I have fast carbs because they provide me what I need to get through the last few hours without leaving me feeling too full or bloated all night. I like having slow carbs with lunch so that keep me fuller longer.
Of course lots of people do lots of different things but in the end can acheive the same end result-to lose the weight and keep it off. And what works for one won't work for everyone-just like some of the things that some of you are doing wouldn't work for me. But, it's unrealistic to write a thread covering all the different ways that people look at things to cover everyone's opinion. This was simply supossed to be an answer to questions that I had seen on here asking about carbs. For course it's not the only answer!! Nothing in weight loss has only one answer!!!0 -
Don't sweat it. These days every thread devolves into this.Holy crap!!
I didn't mean to start a war people!! I will honestly admit that I did not add a disclaimer that not everyone thinks about things or does things in the same terms.....I can guarantee you that I won't forget that the next time that I post a thread lol!!!
But I didn't post it to tear down anyone else's idea of thinking either. I posted it because I see people asking about good carbs and bad carbs. And yes, good, bad, slow and fast are exactly how I think of them and I eat them then based on what I need fuel for. For example, I like having fast carbs with my last meal of the day because I don't have a lot to do after dinner and I am going to bed 2-3 hours later so I have fast carbs because they provide me what I need to get through the last few hours without leaving me feeling too full or bloated all night. I like having slow carbs with lunch so that keep me fuller longer.
Of course lots of people do lots of different things but in the end can acheive the same end result-to lose the weight and keep it off. And what works for one won't work for everyone-just like some of the things that some of you are doing wouldn't work for me. But, it's unrealistic to write a thread covering all the different ways that people look at things to cover everyone's opinion. This was simply supossed to be an answer to questions that I had seen on here asking about carbs. For course it's not the only answer!! Nothing in weight loss has only one answer!!!
A few months ago it was cardio versus "lifting heavy".
Binary arguments are the only ones that seem to get much traction around here.
No one lives in a binary world, no one's diet is binary. But we sure like arguing as though there are only two choices right (my way) and wrong (your way).
And we spend a lot of time pretending we don't understand what the other person is trying to convey.0 -
Okay I will say that the standard american diet is all kinds of jacked up and we are constantly taught that carbs are "bad". My diet consists of about 60% carbs and you need them to be able to function. With that being said there is a difference between simple carbs and complex carbs. Complex carbs are things like fruit, oats, quinoa, brown rice, and veggies. These are complex carbs and take longer to digest. What you need to avoid are simple carbs. Simple carbs are things like white bread, white rice, and most processed foods. Another misconception is that having too much fruit is a bad thing. I probably have about 4-5 servings of fruit a day myself and I am probably in the best shape of my life physically and mentally. People who have diabetes do, however, need to watch their sugar intake.
In reality we really overcomplicate things more than we need to. You do have to watch how many calories you are eating because it is still calories and calories out, however the key is eating food that is high in nutrients and staying away from processed food. If you eat food in it's purest form you should be just fine
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I have a much simpler and effective guideline.
Good carbs: the ones that are tasty
Bad carbs: the ones that are not
^^^ that's my way of thinking also lol.0
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