Sugar overload

Unless you have a reason to, don't overcomplicate things by tracking sugar and sodium. Pay attention to total cals, fat, carbs and protein.

Yep this...................:drinker:

Natural sugars are good for you. That count is meant more for added sugars. Unless you are diabetic I wouldn't worry about it. I removed sugar from my diary altogether.

Natural sugars are good for you. That count is meant more for added sugars. Unless you are diabetic I wouldn't worry about it. I removed sugar from my diary altogether.

I did as well

I don't agree with ignoring all the numbers MFP gives to you. If they weren't important as well, then they wouldn't be there, right?
Too much sodium = water retention and excess sugar turns into fat. It may not be refined "bad" sugar, but lets face it... Sugar is sugar.

I've had to cut down to just a cup of berries once a day, which makes me sad as I also love fruits :grumble: But veggies is always a great alternative for snacks instead!!!

Best of luck to you! :flowerforyou:

Natural sugars from fruit are important and good for you. The MFP counter is meant for added sugar like from candy and soda.

Water retention definitely lowers when you reduce sodium intake and/or increase water consumption.
Nice "point" with "exercising causes water retention/should we all stop that too?" you get an A+ for being a smartass to get your point across. (Normally adults discuss matters and don't need to try to belittle someone or be sarcastic... lol) All I was saying, is if you can try to reduce sodium to avoid excess retention, why not, right? Too much sodium is known to be bad for our bodies, so why wouldnt we want to track it to keep the numbers down? And yes excess calories turn into fat. I never said it didnt. But excess sugar does as well, as does excess carbs, etc. Hence why it's good to track all macros.

Water retention definitely lowers when you reduce sodium intake and/or increase water consumption.
Nice "point" with "exercising causes water retention/should we all stop that too?" you get an A+ for being a smartass to get your point across. (Normally adults discuss matters and don't need to try to belittle someone or be sarcastic... lol) All I was saying, is if you can try to reduce sodium to avoid excess retention, why not, right? Too much sodium is known to be bad for our bodies, so why wouldnt we want to track it to keep the numbers down? And yes excess calories turn into fat. I never said it didnt. But excess sugar does as well, as does excess carbs, etc. Hence why it's good to track all macros.

1) Most people can't track everything and hit everything on a regular basis AND still have a flexible, enjoyable, sustainable diet.
2) No... if you're in a calorie deficit, there's no such thing (in any sort of reasonable diet) as excess sugar. Your body will use it.
3) Sodium isn't a macro. It's a micro.


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Water retention definitely lowers when you reduce sodium intake and/or increase water consumption.
Nice "point" with "exercising causes water retention/should we all stop that too?" you get an A+ for being a smartass to get your point across. (Normally adults discuss matters and don't need to try to belittle someone or be sarcastic... lol) All I was saying, is if you can try to reduce sodium to avoid excess retention, why not, right? Too much sodium is known to be bad for our bodies, so why wouldnt we want to track it to keep the numbers down? And yes excess calories turn into fat. I never said it didnt. But excess sugar does as well, as does excess carbs, etc. Hence why it's good to track all macros.

1) Most people can't track everything and hit everything on a regular basis AND still have a flexible, enjoyable, sustainable diet.
2) No... if you're in a calorie deficit, there's no such thing (in any sort of reasonable diet) as excess sugar. Your body will use it.
3) Sodium isn't a macro. It's a micro.


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Ah, spelling corrections now too. Cyber bully eh?? I'll just take the higher road and agree to disagree with you :drinker:
I see a lot of forums here, where people have different opinions. Everyone is entitled to theirs - it's just a shame you had to come through in "attack mode" as I would have loved an actual discussion.

That spelling mistake made your statement factually wrong and potentially misleading to other readers. I wasn't picking on you, I was clarifying bad information for other readers.

Cyber bully? Wow. I've been fairly harsh a few times in the past, but this is certainly not one of them. Yes, my comment about giving up exercise because it can cause water retention was a bit snarky, but it was an exaggeration to make a point. I wasn't bullying you then, nor am I now. I'm trying to point out what I believe is bad information. If you feel that you are correct (which obviously you do), then give some information to support your point.

You're right. There are lots of opinions, and everyone is entitled to theirs. But there's a difference between opinions and facts. If you want to discuss facts, then fine, let's do it. If you want to discuss opinion, then that's also fine. Opinions can be agreed and disagreed on. Facts cannot.

I'm not saying I know everything. But I do feel like I know something.

Point 1
The average person who is struggling to find consistency and adhere to a reasonable diet is going to struggle even more if they try to also manage every micronutrient available on a product label. Does that mean that absolutely everyone will? No, but the vast majority will, which is why I suggest people start with the basics. Then, once they have a good handle on the basics, they can worry about the finer details.

Point 2
Let's use round numbers for the sake of easy conversation. I'll also note that we are WAAAY oversimplifying things as we talk about sugars and fat. But again, for the sake of conversation... If the body needs 2000 calories per day to do everything we ask it to do, but we only give it 1500 calories per day, how will an excess of sugars be stored as fat? If the body is short of energy, won't it use those calories (a calorie is a unit of energy) for things like walking, breathing, typing, making dinner, doing laundry, working out, etc? Why would it store something that it already doesn't have enough of?