Binging on nts with access to food

5-6 days out of the week I sleep at my apartment, which has basically no food in it. This makes it easy for me because I just eat a reasonable amount before bed and then once I'm in bed if I feel like binging unneccessarily tough cookies I have no food to do so on.

However 1-2 days a week I sleep at my girlfriends, and I'm moving in permanently in 2 months. There is about a 50% chance that I go crazy at her place because there is so much yummy food. The trend tends to be I'm doing just fine until I get into bed. I've had plenty to eat, but then I start wanting more and I lay there and want it for about 30 minutes and then I get up and eat a ridiculous amount.

Right now my goal is losing 1 pound a week, and I casually save up exercise calories for a cruise in October where I won't be on my diet. Unfortunately I ate so much last night that I ate up a lot of the calories I saved and now I got to start saving again. I even drank so much water last night I had to pee 3 times in 3 hours because I was hoping it would help fill me up.

How am I going to stay on a diet while living here? Telling her not to buy sugary foods would be ideal, but it's not going to happen because she has 2 kids who would pitch a fit, not to mention she just wouldn't be comfortable taking all the bad stuff out of the house.

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  • baybeejulia
    baybeejulia Posts: 218 Member
    It's a tough situation, but it sounds to me as though you could solve it with a little self discipline, momotivation and self control. Find another habit that you can replace eating in bed with. When you're laying in bed and thinking of food, do something else. Distract yourself. And most of all, remain motivated, know your goal and work towards it.
  • Hildy_J
    Hildy_J Posts: 1,050 Member
    I think you posted something here before... complaining about your girlfriend.

    She is not responsible for the food you eat. You are. She can buy her own bodyweight in Haribo but only you can put it in your mouth and eat it.

    I think it's time to stop blaming other people for your eating habits - at the end of the day, you're just making excuses.
  • Wenchiness
    Wenchiness Posts: 126 Member
    Life is one big fat solid temptation, so it's up to you to control your urges. Do not deny yourself ALL treats, but reward yourself with a little something when you deserve it, so you don't feel deprived. If you really can not learn to moderate your night time binging, I would suggest that you have the gf lock up the food at night, but seriously, as a grown man you should be able to say that's not mine, it is for the kids. My husband eats entirely different food than I do. I can't say it never tempts me, or that I don't threaten him with his life if he doesn't give me a bite of that cinnamon roll, but I know if I have the cinnamon roll, I am going to have to sacrifice food that will fill me more and be healthier before me, and the scale will probably show me where that goody went.
  • glin23
    glin23 Posts: 460 Member
    I think you posted something here before... complaining about your girlfriend.

    She is not responsible for the food you eat. You are. She can buy her own bodyweight in Haribo but only you can put it in your mouth and eat it.

    I think it's time to stop blaming other people for your eating habits - at the end of the day, you're just making excuses.

    This. If you're truly serious you need to control yourself and not rely on people creating an ideal environment free of what tempts you.
  • jfauci
    jfauci Posts: 531 Member
    I agree that it's a tough situation. However, here are my thoughts. I have 2 kids as well and while I encourage healthy eating, I do have some unhealthy snacks around that could be a temptation for me. I make sure I stock up on healthy snacks for me, so I have something readily available should the nighttime munchies set in.

    I always keep cut up raw veggies in the fridge as well as a variety of fruits. If I get the munchies, I make myself eat the veggies first. If I am still hungry, and craving sweet or salty, then I allow myself some of the junkier foods. Also, get it out of your head that you are on a diet. This is a lifestyle change that will be with you forever.

    Don't deprive yourself of the stuff you like - just eat it in moderation (after you snack on the healthy options). I usually find that the raw veggies fill me up and there is no need for the other stuff. Good luck.
  • nomeejerome
    nomeejerome Posts: 2,616 Member
    Only you can make the decision to not binge at night and make decent choices for yourself. Maybe stop looking at this as a diet? Maybe stop restricting yourself so much during the day that you feel the need to eat all the foods in the night? Maybe stop trying to save up calories for the cruise in October? Again, only you can make the decision to not binge at night and make decent choices for yourself. If you already have it in your head that you are going to fail, chances are you will fail. Make a change.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    if you restrict food too much, you will binge. It's not weakness, it's a basic human survival response. Everyone goes on about "starvation mode" (hate that term!) In relation to metabolism slowing....but long before anything like adaptive thermogenesis kicks in, various behavioural responses that evolved to stop you starving to death, kick in, such as obsessing about food and binge eating. These responses make sense in a palaeolithic food shortage, because it means you'll spend a lot more time and effort in finding foods, and when you find them you'll eat it all before anyone else can. These responses evolved before humans had enough mental abilities to plan ahead and know how much they should eat. They kept our ancestors alive... but if you're trying to lose fat, they will really screw up your efforts. So the solution is to eat enough that these survival responses don't kick in.

    Your strategy of having no food in your house, so you can't binge, is not a long term solution, because as soon as you're somewhere where there is food, it all breaks down. You have to live in a world that's full of food, including food that it's very easy to overeat on, so you're going to have to learn how to eat to lose fat without depriving your body to the point that the binge eating and food obsessing responses kick in. In other words, you need to eat more the rest of the time, make your deficit smaller, fit all the foods you want to eat into your eating plan, while maintaining a moderate deficit. Eat enough to feel satisfied and not want to binge, but still less than you burn off so you can lose fat. It may take a little trial and error to find the right number of calories to do this. Doing more exercise may help as this will enable you to eat more while still eating less than you burn off.

    Also remember that this is about the rest of your life. It doesn't matter if you're losing fat more slowly as a result of following the above advice.... what matters is that when that fat's gone, it doesn't come back. Long term sustainability is far more important than how quickly you lose the fat. People who lose fat slowly and sustainably generally have a much easier time maintaining and are less likely to regain fat.
  • x1v16
    x1v16 Posts: 66
    lol

    I'm not blaming my girlfriend, I don't view it as her fault. I view it as a fault in my self control. I've never been very disciplined and don't know how to even start. Btw the tough love approach doesn't really accomplish much with me, just irritates me or makes me feel like cra.

    As far as groceries, I pay my fair share of the groceries. No I don't eat all the goodies so the kids have none. JESUS. My girlfriend has always been a foodie so there has always been a lot of goodies at the house. Pop tarts, muffins, peanut butter, hot dogs, bologna, pizza pockets.

    I simply have a hard time resisting it all, and yes I have no one to blame but myself. I posted her asking for tips on how to resist temptation.
  • Hildy_J
    Hildy_J Posts: 1,050 Member
    ALSO... you buy no food for your flat then rock up at hers and eat ALL the kids' goodies 5 nights a week. That their Mum paid for? Then complain at her for buying them and expect HER CHILDREN to go without? wtaf....

    If you cooked and ate at your own place... that would help. You wouldn't be so hungry that you turn up and binge at hers. Buy your own food for her house, too.

    My top tip for you to deal with temptation is to stop blaming everyone else for what YOU put in YOUR mouth. Own it.
  • It sounds like you are not tired enough in bed if you are lying there not sleeping. Have you tried a bit of gentle exercising in the evening, like going for a walk, running or whatever?
  • palmerar
    palmerar Posts: 489 Member
    I just wanted to comment that I don't think you can save up calories for future use. Your body does not have a calorie savings account. I am almost positive it does not work like that. Sure, it may help your weight loss immediately but if you overindulge on vacation, eating weeks worth of food in one week, I would think that you are probably going to gain weight.
  • alisonlynn1976
    alisonlynn1976 Posts: 929 Member
    Put it in a locked cabinet and give her the key?

    Or, you know, take some responsibility for your own behavior.
  • Rosannajo88
    Rosannajo88 Posts: 212 Member
    Night time eating used to be one of my vices too. I slowly got control of it though, it really is a case of mind over matter. When I wanted to eat I would exercise, not anything too strenuous mind, maybe a couple of sets of squats or some yoga positions, just enough to release those endorphins. I would then feel proud that I worked out, not want to spoil it by binging and also fall asleep easier. It takes time love but you WILL get there xx

    My partner is a chef so you can imagine the temptation, got to work on that will power!

    Good luck with your journey xx
  • adidrea
    adidrea Posts: 275 Member
    Well, you could bring it up with your girlfriend but in the end you really just need to work on your self control. It's not really fair to ask her to change her lifestyle and that of her kids in order to make it easier for you to stop binging. For me I find that just going cold turkey works best. If you indulge a little a binge is not far down the road...If you can make it for about 3 weeks without the junk then it'll get much easier.

    Have you tried brushing your teeth really well, flossing and using mouth wash right before bed? Spending 10 minutes on your oral care at night might make it less likely for you to get up and eat again after having such squeaky clean teeth!

    Good luck...
  • Sounds to me like you're just bored. Do you always take so long to go to sleep? I mean, I know that to-sleep time is pretty much one of super powers, but it has to be boring to lay there for like 30 minutes + each night. I can totally see how you would just cycle your brain over and over until you get up and eat.

    1) Stop staying over there so much for now.
    2) Save some calories to eat a small treat right before bed.
    3) Try to find out why you don't sleep easily and address it.
    4) Stay up later until you're actually ready to sleep. If you're a napper (I love them) you might consider dropping them for a bit.
    5) Bring less calorie-rich treats to your girlfriend's.
    6) Suck it up and stop eating at night. Continuing the behavior only encourages your body to want food late at night. Communicate to everyone that you're going to gremlin until you get your cravings out of control and you won't eat ANYTHING after 8:00 pm.

    It's not a matter of can you correct this behavior. It's a very simple matter of WILL you.
  • toofatnomore
    toofatnomore Posts: 206 Member
    It's a tough situation, but it sounds to me as though you could solve it with a little self discipline, momotivation and self control. Find another habit that you can replace eating in bed with. When you're laying in bed and thinking of food, do something else. Distract yourself. And most of all, remain motivated, know your goal and work towards it.

    This...There are several fine habits that you can do while in bed that do not include calories...
    :)
  • Rosannajo88
    Rosannajo88 Posts: 212 Member

    Have you tried brushing your teeth really well, flossing and using mouth wash right before bed? Spending 10 minutes on your oral care at night might make it less likely for you to get up and eat again after having such squeaky clean teeth!

    Good luck...

    Good suggestion, I never want to eat when i brush my teeth, makes me want to cringe! x
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    Unfortunately while there are tricks to help (buy small bags/portions of things you like rather then large amounts, substituation, deferring, only eat the Pringles you can reach without tipping the can up!) ultimately self-control is exactly that.

    You have to get past the impulse eating for long enough so that your new behaviour becomes habit.

    I found 5:2 fasting helped me to a degree as I found it's easier to be determined for a day at a time / twice a week rather than have a deficit every single day. But..... without self-control you could easily undo 2 low days with 5 high days.

    You have to want the end goal enough to put up with feeling restricted right here, right now. You are 29 and should be in the best shape of your life - don't wait as it doesn't get any easier.
  • Mokey41
    Mokey41 Posts: 5,769 Member
    I get you it don't like tough love or to be criticized but you keep asking for help on here and unfortunately life isn't all rainbows and unicorns. Part of being an adult is that your mommy doesn't hold your hand anymore and make the bad people go away. If you want to change, then change. Put on your big boy pants, grow up and take responsibility for yourself. If you truly want to lose weight, you'll do it. If you don't want to make the commitment right now, that's fine. It's not anyone's fault or problem than your own. No one makes you get up and stuff your face with your girlfriend's food. That's all you. You make the choice to do it.

    Also, you can't stockpile calories for a trip a month away. Some people work on a weekly budget rather than daily but that's about as far as it goes. It isn't a layaway plan for Xmas. With your problems with food I'd work on an hourly goal rather than trying to plan for something weeks away.

    ETA: From looking at your diary it looks like you play with the numbers as well. How did you eat a -356 calorie snack so you didn't go into the red? You're also eating every single calorie of exercise so that your diary balances out at even or just one calorie under. I'd suggest you have some serious mental issues surrounding food and the control of it. Maybe some counseling to deal with that would be in order first.
  • x1v16
    x1v16 Posts: 66
    As far as playing with numbers, yes I do. For example my goal is to lose 1 pound a week. Some days I feel able to do better than that, other days I need to eat more, and in the future I have a cruise where I won't be on a diet at all for 1 week.

    So, what do i do? I try to save extra calories for the cruise/bad days. If I lose 2 pounds this week because I'm trying extra hard, then if I gain 1 pound on the cruise it all evens out. If I save 1500 calories for the cruise and have a bad day and overeat by 350 calories, then I record -350 calories. If I have 1500 stored I change that to 1150.

    Why do I eat every single calorie? Because I'm hungry so much of the time. I take medication which amplifies this. I view the calories I have left like money, it makes me happy to save them for hard times. I don't like failing so if I save calories on high willpower days so I can fix my mistakes on low willpower days.

    Some people are happy with a 1 pound a week goal and then if they do better that's awesome, however I find dieting extremely challenging and I like the ability to fix past mistakes, or save up for future big meals.
  • x1v16
    x1v16 Posts: 66
    As far as brushing/flossing to inhibit eatting, oddly enough it doesn't work on me. My girlfriend always gives me funny looks because I don't hesitate to eat minutes after brushing or mouthwash.

    As far as my mental health goes, I do have issues, and I do take meds which cause weight gain.

    This will be the last time I post in the forums. Everyone is different and some are coddling while others are hard *kitten*, but I take negative criticism, amplify it by 10, and then it eats at me and actually sabatoges me. I pick friends for my list who have similar weight struggles, and who aren't "rawr rawr rawr man up".
  • bkyoun
    bkyoun Posts: 371 Member
    When you get the bad cravings, you have to ask yourself: "Who's stronger, me or that cookie?"
  • oc1timoco
    oc1timoco Posts: 272 Member
    People make choices and who we are is defined by those choices. At the end of the day no matter where you are or who you are with you have become what you have chosen to be. Of course it is not quit as simple as the choice because temptation will always be there. But the end result is still the same. Your body, your choice, your responsibility. When you succeed at weight loss thank those who helped you. When or if you fail, suck it up and tough it out and take the blame, then start over. Twice in my life I weighed over 350 lbs. This is the second time I have been down to 200 lbs. and I'm surrounded by food all the time. Not easy, nothing you really want bad enough is easy. If my reply sounded crass or condescending I apologize, but I have found that intellectual honesty with oneself is your best tool. I think a little of that will help you out.
  • cafeaulait7
    cafeaulait7 Posts: 2,459 Member
    I have foods I don't ever keep in the house, sure. That would be a problem for me if they were freely available where I was living. Mainly they revolve around chocolate or pastries, lol.

    Try this, maybe: Keep your snacks in a cabinet away from where all the junk food is. At night, you can only get food out of your cabinet. Then when you are looking for an appropriate late snack (fair enough if it fits into your daily calories), you won't see the other stuff.
  • teamAmelia
    teamAmelia Posts: 1,247 Member
    I'm still trying to figure out how you're saving exercise calories. What are you talking about? Are you saying that you exercise now and burn X calories and you want to 'save' those calories so that you can binge on your cruise instead of now?

    Tell her to put the junk food in a special storage container, lock it, and put it away so that you won't be tempted.
  • Mokey41
    Mokey41 Posts: 5,769 Member
    As far as playing with numbers, yes I do. For example my goal is to lose 1 pound a week. Some days I feel able to do better than that, other days I need to eat more, and in the future I have a cruise where I won't be on a diet at all for 1 week.

    So, what do i do? I try to save extra calories for the cruise/bad days. If I lose 2 pounds this week because I'm trying extra hard, then if I gain 1 pound on the cruise it all evens out. If I save 1500 calories for the cruise and have a bad day and overeat by 350 calories, then I record -350 calories. If I have 1500 stored I change that to 1150.

    Why do I eat every single calorie? Because I'm hungry so much of the time. I take medication which amplifies this. I view the calories I have left like money, it makes me happy to save them for hard times. I don't like failing so if I save calories on high willpower days so I can fix my mistakes on low willpower days.

    Some people are happy with a 1 pound a week goal and then if they do better that's awesome, however I find dieting extremely challenging and I like the ability to fix past mistakes, or save up for future big meals.

    I wish you luck on your journey because you'll need it. Sorry to say that until you learn to take responsibility for yourself it probably is going to be a long hard haul. You're still stuck playing the blame game. Life is hard for everyone and how you deal with it says a lot about your character.

    And again, you can't bank calories. If you over eat then you over ate. You can't drag out your bank account from last week to play with the numbers so you feel good.
  • For any goal you set, the largest contributing factor is your mindset.
    If your goal is to loose weight and live healthy, these are the priorities in order which I learned from several people, many of which are pros.
    Including nutritionists, bodybuilders and strongmen.

    1) MIND SET
    2) Proper nutrition
    3) Exercise

    You can bust you *kitten* in the gym all you want, but if the nutrition isn't right, it is all for not.

    I would look into a proper diet, and I am not using the word diet as many people use it saying "I'm on a diet". Everybody is on a diet, a diet is what you eat.

    If you are eating the correct foods and the proper amount of calories for your body weight and activity level you will have less craving to binge.

    When you eat nutritionally dense foods and the proper amount, you will be surprised at how satiate you will be.

    If you don't already know, learn the difference between good and bad carbs and when you should eat them.

    And you can NOT save up calories for the future.
    Do your best and when you take your trip, don't worry about it and get back on track afterwards.
  • endoftheside
    endoftheside Posts: 568 Member
    The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg is a good read if you are interested in changing some of your behaviors that have become habits. It's hard but doable and it was life changing for me.

    I like to allow myself a limited amount of treats every day so that there is less incentive to obsess over all the things I "can't" have, because I really can, just not all at once in a single day.

    And I am sure this might be hotly contested by those who have not been in my shoes, but limiting carbs to a certain extent cuts down on my cravings tremendously. I found my magic number by playing around with my carb intake. I can have junk food around the house now and I'm OK with it. I've had cookies go stale on me it took me so long to eat them. That NEVER happened before. The combination of not-excessive deficit, 1g protein per pound lean body mass, and carbs <150g works for me, and I hope that you will keep trying until you find what works for you.