Candida overgrowth and its' effect on weight loss

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  • GrannyGwen1
    GrannyGwen1 Posts: 213 Member
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/post/new/763937-candida-overgrowth-and-its-effect-on-weight-loss?
    Topic: Candida overgrowth and its' effect on weight loss
    Actually in the holistic world it's widely recognized that Candida overgrowth can make weight loss next to impossible.

    I've read / heard that the question of Candida overgrowth is not that of calories in vs calories out per se... but more the fact that the body fat is trying to protect you against toxins in this instance -- in particular ethanol that grows rapidly when yeast has a food source (sugar). Too much ethanol production can cause liver detox function overloading. Acetaldehyde (related to formaldehyde) is another by-product of Candida causes a variety of malfunctions in the body.

    Also -- Candida can produce a type of false estrogen and thyroid hormone, which leads to hormone imbalance and receptor malfunction. And we all know that hormones will definitely affect your weight loss no matter what simple math we apply to calories in calories out.

    Overview of Candida and fat loss:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUpuQsuruz8

    Toxins and Fat Loss:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/detox-tips_b_1289488.html
    (or read jillian michaels master your metabolism)

    THANK YOU FOR A RESEARCHED AND EDUCATED ANSWERS, ITS REFRESHING TO SEE.

    I HAVE A SEVERE CASE OF CANDIDA AND IT CAN BE A PAINFUL AND FRUSTRATING CONDITION. AND IT CAN DEFIANTLY EFFECT YOUR WEIGHT AND YOUR OVERALL HEALTH. ITS ALWAYS THERE LINGERING IN THE BACK GROUND, WAITING TO ATTACK. I WAS ATTACKED AFTER A SERIES OF ANTIBIOTICS THIS PAST WINTER AND HAVE BEEN FIGHTING IT FOR YEAR.

    YOU HAVE TO BE DILIGENT AND VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU APPROACH AND KILL OFF THE CANDIDA WITH MEDICATION, HOLISTIC REMEDIES, HYGIENE, YOUR ACIDOSIS PH AND DIET, AS IT CAN MAKE YOU VERY SICK. ( I TRIED TO DO IT TOO FAST) CANDIDA CAN ALSO EFFECT YOUR SKIN CAUSING LONG TERM SEVERE ITCHING (SIMILAR TO POISON OAK) AND LESIONS THAT ARE SLOW HEALING. THAT WAS HOW I FOUND OUT I HAD CANDIDA ABOUT 3 MONTHS AFTER I TOOK THE MEDS AND SEVERAL DOCTORS LATER, FROM DERMATOLOGIST TO GI DOCTORS. CANDIDA ISN'T EASY TO GET RID OF OR TO CONTROL. AND YES I NOW SEE A TEAM OF DOCTORS AT OHSU WHO ARE VERY MUCH UP TO DATE ON RESEARCH, TREATMENT AND THE EFFECTS THAT CANDIDA HAS ON WEIGHT. AND I KNOW FIRST HAND THAT WHEN IM HAVING FLARE-UPS THAT MY WEIGHT LOST STALLS OR I EVEN GAIN BACK SOME WEIGH, AND YES SOME OF IT HAS DO TO THE HORRIBLE AND SOMETIMES UNCONTROLLABLE CRAVINGS FOR SUGAR AND STARCHES, ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE BIT TO GET IT FLARED UP LIKE A VENGEANCE. THAT CANDIDA NEEDS TO SURVIVE AND FEEDS OFF. ITS BEEN A VERY SLOW PROCESS TO GET IT UNDER CONTROL. AND BECAUSE IM NOT AS DILIGENT WITH MY DIET AS I SHOULD BE , IM HAVING A FLARE-UP NOW AS WE SPEAK.

    MAY THE GOOD LORD KEEP YOU SAFE FROM CANDIDA, :flowerforyou:

    HUGS, GG
  • bridgie101
    bridgie101 Posts: 817 Member
    How can you have systemic candida? do you know what candida is? it's thrush. It's a fungus.

    Systemic means throughout your system. In your blood, in your tissue. In your gut.

    Who on earth gave you the idea that that was even possible?
  • bridgie101
    bridgie101 Posts: 817 Member
    bcweisen I have candida and if I eat sugar I cannot lose weight no matter what I do. I was working out lots and eating healthy but would have a snack with sugar here and there or would eat pasta or lots of fruit. If I follow the candida diet that my naturopath has given me I lose weight at a fantastic speed! Because you are very limited in the carbs department on a candida diet I had to actually cut back on my workouts to make sure I didn't lose too much too fast. For life reasons I got sidetracked on my candida diet but now back on it. It's not easy to follow but it's worth it

    Suddenly it all becomes clear. There's someone out there with a licence to make up utter garbage, isn't there.

    Systemic candida. What bull**** ideas with your favourite snake oil salesmen sell you all next?
  • Debbiedebbiey
    Debbiedebbiey Posts: 824 Member
    I was in the same boat as you:flowerforyou: frustrating ! Thought for sure it was yeast. I have a bodybugg-ate at a 1000 calorie deficit for 9 months, exercised like crazy, no results. Got a fitbit, it has helped keep me more active, I've tried "eat more to weigh less" gained 10 lbs:huh:
    Finally, about 2 months ago I started eating low carb/hi fat. There's a group on here,I've lost 15 pounds ! I've researched the crap out of it, and it's really working for me. I don't eat sugar...I don't even want it, unspeakable sweet tooth -GONE- like I make cupcake for the family, WASHED the icing off my fingers, That's right I did not lick it off ! The fat keeps you soooo full it kills cravings, I eat 1400 cals, then exercise, or lately 1200, bc I'M NOT HUNGRY, sooo weird. Just a suggestion, bc when I read your post, having tried healthy diet, exercise,etc it really reminded me of ME:flowerforyou:

    Don't give up bc you can do it ! You just have to find out what works for you, it sure as heck isn't calories in vs calories out !!!!!
  • l911jnt
    l911jnt Posts: 164 Member
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  • l911jnt
    l911jnt Posts: 164 Member
    I've been doing a lot of research lately on issues that can impede weight loss because if another well meaning person tells me that weight loss is a simple matter of less calories in than out.... I may just kick them in the head :) I have worked my butt off; used a HRM to get accurate calories burned during workouts; measured everything I eat; and tracked faithfully while achieving minimal results. Has anyone else experienced the general symptoms of systemic candida? What have you done that has helped you to lose weight despite this obstacle?

    So you're "estimating" your TDEE, "estimating" your calories burned and "estimating" what you eat...

    Estimating doesn't produce accurate results. They're just estimates, if you're not getting the results you want your estimates are far from what they really are.


    A lot of hard work(what you claim to do) would have an adverse effect on weight loss by slowing down your metabolism so you'd burn less calories than what a TDEE calculator would tell you.


    Candida would have no effect on weight loss. If it did, it would cause "weight loss" not weight gain or stall outs. Candida feeds on sugar, it eats the sugar in your body, the less sugar you have the less energy you have, the less energy you have the bigger the deficit.

    Calories in vs calories out.



    well she cleary said she measures her food out... that's not estimating. She also says she uses an HRM. If you can do nothing but " estimate" with an HRM, a cardio machine or MFP database then we are ALL just estimating. Even if you use a formula to calculate calories, its still just your own "estimate". So if its all incorrect " estimated" info, how are any of us suppose to track any of it and rely on that info? *Smh... sigh*
  • calmlywilde
    calmlywilde Posts: 47 Member
    Wow this thread sure stirred up some grumpy cats!

    I had chronic candida. It would turn up in the form of thrush, athletes foot, a ductal yeast infection while I was breastfeeding (pain! Oh so much pain!).

    Met my SO, who is suseptible to athletes foot, and we both got full body insatiable itchiness! Three trips to my doctor later, we'd plastered ourselves with every cream and ointment imaginable, had STD tests (negative, incase you were wondering), stopped using soap, shampoo, washing powder and we were still itchy!

    I tried a holistic practitioner as a last resort. She fixed us both first pop with Pau D'Arco (your healthfood shop will have it).

    If I get an overgrowth, I retain water badly, hence the "gaining weight on a deficit" phenomenon that the gurus will tell you is impossible. I lose motivation because I'm working hard and not seeing results, so give up for a few days/weeks/months. Dunno if this sounds like you or not.

    My cure is low carb. I'm happy with it being a lifetime thing. No sugar to feed the monsters! If you can't adapt to that, a natural practitioner might help. If you want to stick with your regular doctor, you will probably need some hefty antifungals every now-and-again (hopefully your Doc will prescribe them, rather than deny the existence of candida, as many do, which is often CAUSED by Drs who overprescribe antbiotics). You will need to take probiotics every time you have a course of antifungals or antibiotics (both kill bad bugs and good bugs. Candida can grow faster than all of them and "takeover" the dead spots - a temporary fix, followed by an explosion in the problem). You may have ongoing water retention issues which will make motivation for ongoing healthy eating more difficult for you than others, but definatly not impossible.

    I met a lady who had an overgrowth so massive that it started to block her throat. That **** is whack. Took her three years on a super-strict eating plan to tame it. Now it seems like you got it easy ;)

    Add me if you like, I'm happy to help.
  • mikenelson20
    mikenelson20 Posts: 44 Member
    Ok, so I never even heard of candida before I read this post so I am defiantly not speaking from experience. Also, not a nutritional or health or dietary specialist in any way. But I do know something about thermodynamics. First law states that energy can be changed from one form to another but energy cannot be created or destroyed. Now I know I am being very generalized here, but your body should be no different. It is a machine that requires energy to run (just like your car requires gas). Now granted there day to day variances, BUT in the end if you burn more calories than you consume, your body is forced to use other sources of energy in order to make up this loss. Hopefully other sources is fat, but it could come from any tissue of your body. Your body has no choice, it must find ATP molecules in order to fuel the cells of your body. Those molecules come from the food you eat. If it cannot get them from the food you eat, then it must get the ATP molecules by breaking down other tissues (again hopefully fat). Your body uses the energy in the bonds of the fuel molecules when, and uses the energy to create new ATP molecules to fuel or feed the much more important cells (brain, heart, liver, stuff like that). If it cannot replace the ATP molecules then body tissues will start to starve and die.

    So based on this, if you are not losing weight then it is because you are not having a calorie deficit. It would be physically impossible to not lose weight in the end. Now in the end for some people is a day or two, other a week, some a month or so. If what you are doing is not working then something is wrong. Either your projected daily intake is to high, over estimating calories burned, something somewhere is not right.. And yes, your body does have little tricks in order to become more efficient in conserving energy when it becomes energy deficient. But in the end if your body requires X amount of energy to fuel the cells then it will get that energy from somewhere (again fat).

    If you would a much more detailed explanation on how calories are used in the body check this article out (and the others linked to it). It does a way better job at explaining it. Tons of info on how the body works.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-energy-balance-equation.html
  • calmlywilde
    calmlywilde Posts: 47 Member
    In your gut

    Wow you really don't know much about candida, do you Love? :huh:

    The gut is the main habitat of candida in humans. You have candida in you gut right now.

    Thrush is an overgrowth of candida in the mouth, throat, genitals. Athletes foot is candida. Candidemia is candida of the blood. Excess candida in the intestines can cause leaky gut.

    OP and those following the thread are already having a tough time. Your less-than-helpful opinion is not required :flowerforyou:
  • l911jnt
    l911jnt Posts: 164 Member
    In your gut

    Wow you really don't know much about candida, do you Love? :huh:

    The gut is the main habitat of candida in humans. You have candida in you gut right now.

    Thrush is an overgrowth of candida in the mouth, throat, genitals. Athletes foot is candida. Candidemia is candida of the blood. Excess candida in the intestines can cause leaky gut.:flowerforyou:

    OP is already having a tough time. Your less-than-helpful opinion is not required :flowerforyou:


    YES!!! no need to be so rude to ppl. That was my issue in this thread and the only reason I posted. Of course I am sure there will be rudeness directed at you and I also for taking up for the OP... but carry on, it won't affect my day one way or the other LOL!
  • CrimsonWhite
    CrimsonWhite Posts: 104 Member
    Hi. I've got no dog in this fight-never heard of invasive (systemic) Candida before, don't know if this is what is causing the OP's problem or if she just hasn't quite got her TDEE/exercise/measuring right. But that doesn't mean it's something she shouldn't explore.

    And geeezzz people-just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it isn't true. To the poster that says systemic Candida is a load of bull, how about you do like I do and search the topic. I did an entrez pubmed search (use it a lot for work) and was able to come up with several review articles and papers about it. Typically it affects the immunocompromised, or elderly, but there seem to be articles showing a genetic component that may make people more sensitive to it.

    Here is a "cut and paste from one article":
    In contrast to mucosal candidiasis which is highly prevalent but does not cause high mortality, systemic infections are life threatening, with mortality rates reaching up to 26–60% (Das et al, 2011). When the organisms enter the blood stream they can invade deep tissues and organs such as brain, heart and kidneys. Considering the number of patients diagnosed each year, Candida has emerged in the recent decades as one of the most important pathogens in sepsis, causing significant morbidity and mortality. Moreover, mortality due to these severe infections has not been significantly changed in the last decade, despite the introduction of potent antifungals such as azoles and echinocandins (Fortún et al, 2012)." EMBO Mol Med. 2013 June; 5(6): 805–813.

    So yah, looks like it exists and can be quite dangerous and not simple to cure. May not be what the OP has given how bad it sounds.....

    Don't know about its affects on diet and weight loss. While I would agree with one poster that we are machines and energy in and out are important, I would also add that not all machines are equally efficient. You and I could purchase the same exact car, drive the same exact roadways and distances using the same exact gas but not get the same exact milage. I might be a speed demon, driving too fast, slamming on my brakes at a light instead of easing up to it, squealing tires as I take off and waiting way too long to get my regular tuneups. You may drive sedately, observing the speed limit, take great care of your car, etc. Do you really thing we're gonna get the same gas mileage out of those cars? I doubt it, what we have done has affected the efficiency of the vehicles.

    We humans are way more complicated than that-we have genetics, disease, infections, and they can all effect the efficiency of our machine. I have insulin resistance and that affects how I process carbs or how my body uses and/or stores them. I do better when I decrease processed carbs from my diet. Some people are not affected at all by eating processed carbs.

    So we are all more complicated than just calories in, calories out. Sure we have to be brutally honest with ourselves and not cheat ourselves and measure, weight, exercise, test what works sometimes to find out TDEE, what to eat, etc. So I don't want to give anyone a way to cop out if they're not doing all those things first. But that doesn't mean that there aren't other things that may be affecting us.

    Not sure how the OP came up with this as a possible suspect for her, but I'm sure she can discuss it with her doctor if she really wants to find out if it's a problem.

    Good luck!

    Yikes, sorry it's so long!
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,951 Member
    So can someone explain this to me? A marketer invented this yeast "disease" where you will never lose weight if you ever eat sugar, because candida would magically prevent it.

    So... how did this come about and what's the actual peer reviewed journal evidence for it? Or is this more chinese herbalism... drink this goat sperm and monkey balls tea to have more virality type of thing?
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,951 Member
    So if its all incorrect " estimated" info, how are any of us suppose to track any of it and rely on that info? *Smh... sigh*

    lulwut?

    You rely upon it by building a large body of data (months) across multiple parameters and at chosen analysis milestones you review metrics, and adjust from there until you find what is correct. It's super simple.
  • l911jnt
    l911jnt Posts: 164 Member
    So if its all incorrect " estimated" info, how are any of us suppose to track any of it and rely on that info? *Smh... sigh*

    lulwut?

    You rely upon it by building a large body of data (months) across multiple parameters and at chosen analysis milestones you review metrics, and adjust from there until you find what is correct. It's super simple.


    lol....yeah.... I get that. I was being a little sarcastic there about what the other person posted about estimates.That was sort of my point.
  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,951 Member
    So if its all incorrect " estimated" info, how are any of us suppose to track any of it and rely on that info? *Smh... sigh*

    lulwut?

    You rely upon it by building a large body of data (months) across multiple parameters and at chosen analysis milestones you review metrics, and adjust from there until you find what is correct. It's super simple.


    lol....yeah.... I get that. I was being a little sarcastic there about what the other person posted about estimates.That was sort of my point.

    ok, got it.

    It doesn't sound like the OP is doing that though, so she really doesn't know what her numbers are at.
  • servilia
    servilia Posts: 3,453 Member
    Even if candida does make you bloat through water retention, it wouldn't be enough to cancel out weight loss if you're eating at a deficit. You can only retain so much water before you run into serious health problems. I think people are just too gullible and will look for excuses.
  • calmlywilde
    calmlywilde Posts: 47 Member
    I think you are absolutely right servilla. If a candida sufferer can stick at an eating plan for long enough, OF COURSE they will lose weight.

    Unfortunately, the water retention skews the scale/measurements, so the dieter feels they are working hard and not getting results. They end up giving up before the water retention "dam" bursts and going back to their old habits. IF they could battle through, yes - the results would eventually show through.

    Candida also fuels sugar/carb cravings, so the dieter has a really hard time cutting back in the first place. This, combined with slower-than-average results makes the psychological side of sticking to an eating plan hugely difficult for a severe candida sufferer.

    The rules of physics still apply to those with candidiasis! Initial progress is slow, BUT a healthy diet is the first step toward fixing the problem.
  • SweetSailor
    SweetSailor Posts: 81 Member
    A year ago I likely would have been one to agree that candida is a made up excuse. I would probably still agree if the ONLY symptoms were 'difficulty' losing weight. However, I'm starting to wonder myself.

    I've had much success with MFP, bodybugg, yoga, spin, weight training and literally working my *kitten* off. In January, I was at my ideal weight.

    Around April, I started unexpected gaining. I increased my workouts, decreased my caloric intake. I became unbelievably depressed despite an antidepressant I was on. I increased the antidepressant. I started feeling sick constantly. I tapered off the antidepressants because there was nothing but dizzying side effects in June. In August a large white bump appeared in my throat and my nurse practitioner gave a general antibiotic despite a negative strep result. I have been working out hard, eight to twelve hours a week, eating 1500-1800 calories and gaining, when previously I would have lost rapidly. Now I've dropped to 1200-1400 because I'm burning out at the gym. I literally burst into tears after a DOUBLE spin class (2 hour) last week because I was freezing when normally I would have sweat like I just got out of a shower. When I cleaned up my eating to what would be pristine candida cleanse five weeks ago I got immediate fluish symptoms. The cravings are staggering! At this point I'm scared of eating in general because I'm afraid I'll do something wrong and my desire to go to the gym has completely depleted, although I was the person who LOVED working out. My abdomen/midsection is the only part of my body that holds all the weight, I have nicely toned legs and arms. My husband is very concerned about my health, but told me he's blown away at my perseverance and extreme self control.

    All of this is screaming hypothyroid or hashimotos except for one thing, I have severe eczema/psoriasis/rash like breakouts. I had my thyroid screenings done about a year ago when under extreme stress and trying to sort out the depression. I just made another appointment and started talking to a therapist.

    Feel free to add me as well. I'm just about at the end of my rope and agree, I'd like to throat punch the next guy that tells me it's my age or I'm 'estimating'.
  • ahamm002
    ahamm002 Posts: 1,690 Member
    Even if candida does make you bloat through water retention, it wouldn't be enough to cancel out weight loss if you're eating at a deficit. You can only retain so much water before you run into serious health problems. I think people are just too gullible and will look for excuses.

    ^^this!
  • FredDoyle
    FredDoyle Posts: 2,273 Member
    There is no solid evidence for systemic candida overgrowth nor is there for "leaky gut".
    These are unfounded speculations by pseudo-scientific naturopaths (is that redundant?).
    Anyone with a candida blood infection would very quickly find themselves hospitalized.

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html