I tend to eat more calories when I eat healthily? Why? :(

fangmouse
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I find that whenever I eat lots of fruit and vegetables; only fruit and vegetables with a bit of dairy in a day, I tend to eat more calories than if I were to eat slightly less healthily.
For example, when I eat less healthily(meaning instead of a salad for lunch - home made, no dressing, lots of spinach and 1/4 cup beans and fruit, etc, I have maybe 5 pieces of gyoza), I tend to feel full for HOURS. Like, I would eat at 1pm, and if I eat the fruit and veg, I would feel hungry an hour or two later and I would eat more fruit.
If I ate the gyoza, I would feel full from 1pm all the way to 10pm at night. I think because of that I'll eat less calories. However, because I'm taking a nutrition course, I want to fill my body with vitamins and minerals and not just on the calories alone. I'm really conflicted about this whole thing because am I supposed to eat healthy foods but eat more in total or eat less healthy foods and have less calories in total?
You guys can check out my food journal if you wish! I've logged in my intake. Do advise me on what to do! I'm really confused?
For example, when I eat less healthily(meaning instead of a salad for lunch - home made, no dressing, lots of spinach and 1/4 cup beans and fruit, etc, I have maybe 5 pieces of gyoza), I tend to feel full for HOURS. Like, I would eat at 1pm, and if I eat the fruit and veg, I would feel hungry an hour or two later and I would eat more fruit.
If I ate the gyoza, I would feel full from 1pm all the way to 10pm at night. I think because of that I'll eat less calories. However, because I'm taking a nutrition course, I want to fill my body with vitamins and minerals and not just on the calories alone. I'm really conflicted about this whole thing because am I supposed to eat healthy foods but eat more in total or eat less healthy foods and have less calories in total?
You guys can check out my food journal if you wish! I've logged in my intake. Do advise me on what to do! I'm really confused?

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I guess I just don't quite believe you. You say that you "think you'll eat more" because you'll be "hungry", but you don't say exactly what you'll eat when you're hungry.
If you stick to vegetables you basically can't go wrong, you could eat all day long and still meet your calorie goals. Fruit is a different matter, because it packs enough of a caloric punch that you could overeat eating only fruit.
Also your basic definition seems wrong: a diet consisting of "only fruit and vegetables with a bit of dairy" can't possibly be classified as "eating healthy". It contains too little protein, and while opinions vary on how much protein you need it's certainly not none.
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Eating only fruits and veggies with a bit of dairy leaves you hungry because there's very little fat and protein - two things that are necessary and very satiating, keeping you feeling full much longer. Glancing through your diary, most days you are well below your daily calorie goal and below your protein and fat goals as well (and MFP's protein goal is notoriously low anyway).
Don't forget that goal means GOAL - something you aim for, attain, achieve, not a number you want to fall well short of.0 -
Also remember that you need fat to absorb the great vitamins like A from your salad.0
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Fruits spike blood sugar and when the blood sugar drops back down, it causes hunger pains.
Fat and protein satiate hunger longer.
Cut back on fruits a lot.
Increase healthy fat and protein by adding oil, avocado, eggs, nuts, cheese.
Good luck!0 -
Some of this has already been said, but some things that will help you are:
1. Don't try and eat less than your calories for the day. You need those. If you try to eat less than that, your body will run out of energy and you will feel constantly hungry.
2. Protein is soooo important - it's what makes you feel satisfied and your body needs it for longer-term fuel burning.
3. Drink enough water.
4. Definitely watch how much fruit you eat and if you want to snack, rather eat veggies.
I'm sure that if you make these changes you'll notice a huuuuge difference - remember, eating healthy is eating balanced0 -
You know, you're thinking at two opposite ends of the spectrum.
Choice 1: (salad, NO dressing, just veggies and a little bit of beans and fruit) ... well, I would feel hungry too if I ate that!
Choice 2: Yes, I'd feel full, but you're right that there's not a lot of nutritional value in there.
So what's making you feel full with the gyoza is probably the fat. If you try eating healthy foods that still contain some fat and some protein, I bet you will feel fuller longer and still get nutrients.
For example: My lunch is often a chicken leg and some veggies. The chicken leg is about 250 cals and the veggies 100-200 depending on the veggie, and I'm full for a long time after this.0 -
My guess is that you're feeling hungry because you're eating nowhere near enough. Your diary shows a mix of days around 1,200 and a pretty high number under < 1,000.
I'm not seeing a massive amount of veg either - you seem to eat a lot of fruit and a lot of noodles. If I were you I'd up the calories, eat more green veg and more protein as you appear to be well under your goal on that most of the time. Proteins and fats make you feel stated. Carbs/sugars don't.0 -
Personally, I think you need to re-evalute your idea of "healthy"...yes, vitamins and minerals from fruits and veg are great and you need them...but you need a lot of other things to actually get proper nutrition...like proteins and fats...both essential macro-nutrients.0
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you are not eating enough calories for how active you are, which means your body is not getting properly fueled. I also suspect you are off in some of your calories estimations. For example, running 30 minutes at 5.0 mph probably is around 200 calories. Does playing hockey really burn over 700 calories for 60-90 minutes of playing?0
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I find that whenever I eat lots of fruit and vegetables; only fruit and vegetables with a bit of dairy in a day, I tend to eat more calories than if I were to eat slightly less healthily.
For example, when I eat less healthily(meaning instead of a salad for lunch - home made, no dressing, lots of spinach and 1/4 cup beans and fruit, etc, I have maybe 5 pieces of gyoza), I tend to feel full for HOURS. Like, I would eat at 1pm, and if I eat the fruit and veg, I would feel hungry an hour or two later and I would eat more fruit.
If I ate the gyoza, I would feel full from 1pm all the way to 10pm at night. I think because of that I'll eat less calories. However, because I'm taking a nutrition course, I want to fill my body with vitamins and minerals and not just on the calories alone. I'm really conflicted about this whole thing because am I supposed to eat healthy foods but eat more in total or eat less healthy foods and have less calories in total?
You guys can check out my food journal if you wish! I've logged in my intake. Do advise me on what to do! I'm really confused?
Hey friend,
I'd suggest adding around 300 or 400 more calories to your daily average (around 1,100 usually it looks like). Use that to have protein be it nuts, meat, garbanzo beans, proein bar whatever...just EAT MORE calories than you are currently eating. The human body needs a good deal of calories just to be alive. Most adults burn more than 1,200 calories just by living (not exercising) every day.
Here is something you can think about:
BMR (basal metabolic rate) is the number of calories a person generally needs to stay alive without damaging their body. Here is a link so you can learn more about this. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/931670-bmr-and-tdee-explained-for-those-needing-a-guide
(it's dependent on height, weight, activity etc...) DO NOT EAT LESS THAN YOUR BMR NUMBER. This is the number of calories you need to stay ALIVE.
I'd suggest eating your BMR at LEAST. A lot of people on My fitness pal have had success with the TDEE - (0.2*TDEE) = calories per day, method. The link explains a little about that too.
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you are not eating enough calories for how active you are, which means your body is not getting properly fueled. I also suspect you are off in some of your calories estimations. For example, running 30 minutes at 5.0 mph probably is around 200 calories. Does playing hockey really burn over 700 calories for 60-90 minutes of playing?
For the exercise calories, I track using a pedometer and I key into mfp according to which matches the calories burnt most. When I play field hockey, I usually play for 2 hours to 2.5 hours but when I feel like I didn't work hard enough, I will decrease the duration on mfp to match the actual calories burnt0 -
I find that whenever I eat lots of fruit and vegetables; only fruit and vegetables with a bit of dairy in a day, I tend to eat more calories than if I were to eat slightly less healthily.
For example, when I eat less healthily(meaning instead of a salad for lunch - home made, no dressing, lots of spinach and 1/4 cup beans and fruit, etc, I have maybe 5 pieces of gyoza), I tend to feel full for HOURS. Like, I would eat at 1pm, and if I eat the fruit and veg, I would feel hungry an hour or two later and I would eat more fruit.
If I ate the gyoza, I would feel full from 1pm all the way to 10pm at night. I think because of that I'll eat less calories. However, because I'm taking a nutrition course, I want to fill my body with vitamins and minerals and not just on the calories alone. I'm really conflicted about this whole thing because am I supposed to eat healthy foods but eat more in total or eat less healthy foods and have less calories in total?
You guys can check out my food journal if you wish! I've logged in my intake. Do advise me on what to do! I'm really confused?
I eat a mostly whole foods, plant based diet and never go over on calories eating this way and I never go hungry (I eat intuitively-eat when hungry, stop when full and not until then).
An example of a typical day over here-
break my fast at 11am or noon with a whole grain and large serving of veggies, like two servings of brown rice with a carrot, green onion and mushrooms mixed in . Afternoon snack could be a large green smoothie with spinach, kale, strawberries, blueberries, bananas, and a seed like hemp or chia. Evening meal is usually a dinner plate size salad like a vegetarian taco salad with lettuce, a whole roma tomato, onion, ground flax seed, black olives, refried beans and a few splashes on hot sauce. And then a night time snack of something like almonds and dark chocolate.
Calories for this kind of day is around 1,300 and includes a lot of healthy food that's filling and tastes good as wellAnd since I'm aiming for around 1,800 calories (give or take a few), I also may throw in a homemade raw apple muffin or some apple crisp, which are still healthy foods but are more calorie dense.
Took a peek of your diary and like others mentioned I'm also not seeing all these vegetables you're talking about, but your fruit consumption is high. Fruit is good for you, but moderation isn't a bad thing for this food category. I chose a random day in your diary and it looks like the only veggie you ate that day was a carrot? Up the veggies, whole grains and calorie dense things like nuts and seeds, and with just a bit of tweaking you'll be able to get your calories up and have a more balanced day0 -
I find that whenever I eat lots of fruit and vegetables; only fruit and vegetables with a bit of dairy in a day, I tend to eat more calories than if I were to eat slightly less healthily.
For example, when I eat less healthily(meaning instead of a salad for lunch - home made, no dressing, lots of spinach and 1/4 cup beans and fruit, etc, I have maybe 5 pieces of gyoza), I tend to feel full for HOURS. Like, I would eat at 1pm, and if I eat the fruit and veg, I would feel hungry an hour or two later and I would eat more fruit.
If I ate the gyoza, I would feel full from 1pm all the way to 10pm at night. I think because of that I'll eat less calories. However, because I'm taking a nutrition course, I want to fill my body with vitamins and minerals and not just on the calories alone. I'm really conflicted about this whole thing because am I supposed to eat healthy foods but eat more in total or eat less healthy foods and have less calories in total?
You guys can check out my food journal if you wish! I've logged in my intake. Do advise me on what to do! I'm really confused?
You are hungry because you don't eat enough protein! And salad with no dressing? Yuck!0 -
It doesn't matter, you like never go over in your calories.0
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I find that whenever I eat lots of fruit and vegetables; only fruit and vegetables with a bit of dairy in a day, I tend to eat more calories than if I were to eat slightly less healthily.
For example, when I eat less healthily(meaning instead of a salad for lunch - home made, no dressing, lots of spinach and 1/4 cup beans and fruit, etc, I have maybe 5 pieces of gyoza), I tend to feel full for HOURS. Like, I would eat at 1pm, and if I eat the fruit and veg, I would feel hungry an hour or two later and I would eat more fruit.
If I ate the gyoza, I would feel full from 1pm all the way to 10pm at night. I think because of that I'll eat less calories. However, because I'm taking a nutrition course, I want to fill my body with vitamins and minerals and not just on the calories alone. I'm really conflicted about this whole thing because am I supposed to eat healthy foods but eat more in total or eat less healthy foods and have less calories in total?
You guys can check out my food journal if you wish! I've logged in my intake. Do advise me on what to do! I'm really confused?
I am not quite sure what you are getting at. According to your food diary your diet is nothing as you describe. You already eat quite unhealthy ( lots of processed stuff from oriental dumplings to Chendol, eclairs, lots of noodles that have calories but no nutritional value whatsoever etc and none of the veggies you mention ) and you feel it would be easier for you to not eat " so healthy ". Also gyozas maybe satiate you, because they are usually made with very fatty pork to give them flavor and that is most likely what your body needs; fat and protein.
I find it very easy to see why you feel hungry. You eat very little healthful protein, not much healthy fat and mostly fruit ( carbs & sugar , which means more carbs ) for breakfast paired with processed things and continue like this throughout the day.
I can't shake the feeling that you know what you need to do; which is eat reasonably within your calorie deficit but are looking for people to tell you that it's ok to eat " unhealthier ", because it's often easier.
Work out a decent calorie deficit, eat mostly healthful stuff, apply what you are learning in your nutrition course and you will see you will feel satiated and also will lose weight.
Good Luck !0
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