Obese and looking to start Weight Lifting

Background: I'm 30, male, currently 421lbs, BMR between 2800 and 3000, TDEE between 3400 and 4600 (depending on activity level that day), MFP calorie goal is ~2600 (I usually net between 1200-1600), I've been hiking (~45 min 3Xweek; burn about 950 per hike and have started trying to eat back those calories).

After reading a few studies, articles, and forum posts, I would like to starting a weight lifting program. My goal for it would be to specifically build/retain muscle for the purpose of burning fat (I'm not trying to bulk up, get ripped, or just be stronger). The problem is I've seen dozens of suggestions as to which exercises to do, whether to go high weight/low rep or low weight/high rep, how many sessions to do, how many calories to eat total/before/after, change things up every X weeks, whether you should or shouldn't do any cardio on the same days or at all, etc.

I'd like to hear any lifter's suggestions (especially if you started lifting to lose fat) on what characteristics my program should have (specifically as well as generally long term). I've got access to some free weights (bench, bar, etc.) and a machine (chest, row, etc.), and would like to do it 1 hour 4Xweek. Additionally, suggest whether I should eat more calorically (above BMR or above MFP goal or anywhere in between) or if I should just focus on protein/carb/fat macros.

Thanks!

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  • kckBxer396
    kckBxer396 Posts: 460 Member
    Unfortunately, I am of no help. Hopefully, by posting my reply, someone who can help will see it!
  • Lld320
    Lld320 Posts: 81
    Everyones bodies are different and the most important thing is to find something that works for you personally to lose weight based on your own trials and errors. There are no right answers for everyone, there are only right answers for you personally that you will discover over time. Also, you cannot outrun the fork no matter what you do so diet is the most important thing to losing weight.

    That said I'll do my best to tell you what I have learned and what has been working for me.
    Building muscle, "getting ripped, " "bulking up," ect. are all basically the same thing. Muscle is more dense than fat and therefore lifting weights will cause your "weight loss" to slow as you gain more muscle. BUT! more muscle increases the bodies metabolism and helps you work out longer/more intense and therefore makes FAT loss occur more quickly! You don't care what the scale says because the scale lies, you care how you look and building muscle is going to help that a bunch.

    Your #1 goal when lifting is not to hurt yourself because if you do you'll slow down the entire process, correct form is the most important thing to not get hurt and there are tons of utube vids out there to show proper form on different lifts. Stick to free-weights as they'll decrease your chances of injury by building stabilizer muscles (the machine won't kill you, but if you have some dumbells to substitute they will help build muscles the machine will not). Never work out the same muscle group two days in a row, lifting breaks down muscles they grow as you allow them to heal for at least 24 hrs.

    To build and tone muscles you always want to lift heavy (which will inherently mean you do fewer reps). Don't listen to anyone that tells you to not lift heavy, they're just wrong. You want to aim for something like 3 sets of 6 reps for every exercise you do and the only way to find out what weight that is for you is trial and error. I don't work out my legs because I have a bad knee that I don't want to stress and stick to walking to strengthen them. Every other day I do bench (chest/shoulders), curls (bicept), fly (chest/shoulders), and tricep extensions. I'm really impressed with the progress my arms and shoulders have made. I'll probably be happier with the chest results once I lose more weight.

    No cardio is bad for weight loss. Do it as much as you want to/can.

    Eat enough calories to maintain a deficit (figure out what works best for you based on how rapidly you are losing), I typically don't worry about eating back exercise calories, but to each their own. I suggest avoiding processed foods (any words on the nutrition facts you wouldn't have in your kitchen) and anything with a lot of carbs or sugars that isn't a real veggie or fruit. I really like what I've read on the Paleo diet. I try my best, but it's pretty hard to stick to.

    Do whatever stops you from giving up, make little progress at a time, don't overwhelm yourself and good luck man!
  • areksz
    areksz Posts: 5
    Hi Chad,

    You're on the right track with the idea of doing weight lifting but as you said you need to know which exercises to focus on so you can maximize your fat burning ability. Contrary to popular belief cardio actually sabotages our ability to burn fat not to mention that it damages our heart, back and joints. Recent study from the Journal of Obesity indicated that ffter cardio exercise, the subjects end up eating 100 calories more than they just burned off. This sounds a bit like your situation when you start eating back the calories that you burned during your hikes.

    Personally I'm pretty close to my target weight and I'm just looking to lose the last 10 pounds. I lost about 10 pounds in the last 6 weeks. Most of it can be attributed to adjusting my diet by eating enough of healthy carbs (I mix black and brown rice, avoid bread) and following an exercise based program where you use your own body weight or weights for fat loss. This only takes 90 minutes a week and after each exercise session you'll boost your metabolism for the next 36 hours hours. You can read more about it here:

    http://www.NoMoreCardio.com

    Anyways, good luck and take it one step at a time!
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    At your size a lot of the "talking points" that get thrown around fitness sites do not apply. You don't need to "build muscle for fat burning". At 400+ pounds, you have plenty of muscle. In fact, if you are successful at losing a lot of weight, you will likely lose a considerable amount of muscle as your body "resizes" itself.

    Strength training still has important benefits in your case, it's just that "muscle building" is not among them at this time. The most important goal right now is maximizing calorie burn in order to maintain a long-term calorie deficit. As a beginner you also want to minimize the risk of injury, increase body and muscle awareness, enhance joint stability, etc.

    So, one of the first goals of a lifting program is to maximize caloric burn. That means, at first, lower intensity and higher reps (15 rep range). This has several advantages: You burn a lot more calories, both during the lifting itself and by requiring less recovery time. You have a much lower risk of injury. You get faster reinforcement for "successful' workouts, without feeling beat up. You can focus on form and develop a better awareness of how the muscles work, thus developing a good base for when you move to a more aggressive lifting stage.

    The modality you use at this time -- machines, free weights, etc--is irrelevant. Do whatever is comfortable. Personally, I expect you might find it more comfortable to do a lot of exercises using a functional trainer -- a cable-based machine that allows one to perform a large number of exercises but does not require one to "fit" into a confined space.

    Pick some general exercises that involve large muscle groups--6-10 is plenty--and work up to 3-4 sets. After several weeks, esp if you have lost some weight and are feeling more comfortable, you can progress to some heavier weights.

    And keep doing cardio--the same rule kind of applies: put in enough work to generate a good chunk of calories that will contribute to your deficit. This will mean more endurance training at first, but some threshold-level interval workouts can be included a couple of times per week. These will provide variety and well as boost your overall fitness level.

    If you want more information, a good review can be found at www.bodyrecomposition.com. Use the search feature to look up "Training the Obese Beginner" and follow all the links--including some of the additional ones in the articles.