How do you American men feel about this?

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  • beekay70
    beekay70 Posts: 214 Member

    I'm getting the sense that you actually have reasons for the things you say but when you just state arguable claims without any supporting facts it's hard to know what to do with it.

    BMI may have been developed in 1850 but that doesn't mean the disease correlates have not been updated since that time.

    Arguable claims? An arguable claim would be that BMI can be used as a diagnostic tool to identify people at risk for such afflictions. It is not used for that or intended to be used for that.

    Again, it is an approximation of a population. That is a fact. It is not intended to diagnose individuals; also fact. Read up, buttercup.
  • beekay70
    beekay70 Posts: 214 Member
    No. It does not identify individuals. Everyone with a BMI above 25 is at risk of blah blah. Do you think I can run your numbers and predict the day upon which you will develop cancer of the colon?

    18-25 is a generalisation.

    Oh, ffs, what do I care. Do you see what India did to Australia tonight?

    My Indian friends have been updating on Facebook. Strangely, my Australian friends went quiet.
  • emergencytennis
    emergencytennis Posts: 864 Member
    Waah!
  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
    None of them even lift. Little twiglet arms up in here.
  • wild_wild_life
    wild_wild_life Posts: 1,334 Member

    I'm getting the sense that you actually have reasons for the things you say but when you just state arguable claims without any supporting facts it's hard to know what to do with it.

    BMI may have been developed in 1850 but that doesn't mean the disease correlates have not been updated since that time.

    Arguable claims? An arguable claim would be that BMI can be used as a diagnostic tool to identify people at risk for such afflictions. It is not used for that or intended to be used for that.

    Again, it is an approximation of a population. That is a fact. It is not intended to diagnose individuals; also fact. Read up, buttercup.

    The funny thing is I don't think anyone is arguing here. No one claims BMI has "diagnostic" value. You seem to be claiming that it has no value.
  • beekay70
    beekay70 Posts: 214 Member


    The funny thing is I don't think anyone is arguing here. No one claims BMI has "diagnostic" value. You seem to be claiming that it has no value.

    Then you've missed a pile of posts. It was claimed that an individual outside of the appropriate range is at increased risk of developing one of these maladies. That's not accurate. The correct correlation would be that overweight people are at risk of developing those ailments. How you determine that someone is overweight is up for debate.
  • emergencytennis
    emergencytennis Posts: 864 Member


    The funny thing is I don't think anyone is arguing here. No one claims BMI has "diagnostic" value. You seem to be claiming that it has no value.

    Then you've missed a pile of posts. It was claimed that an individual outside of the appropriate range is at increased risk of developing one of these maladies. That's not accurate. The correct correlation would be that overweight people are at risk of developing those ailments. How you determine that someone is overweight is up for debate.

    You are right. It is all about where you draw the line. The line will move according to who is developing what disease at what age and at what BMI, in any particular community.
  • dsjohndrow
    dsjohndrow Posts: 1,820 Member
    NBC spews lies. The model needs a handgun. ;)
  • wild_wild_life
    wild_wild_life Posts: 1,334 Member


    The funny thing is I don't think anyone is arguing here. No one claims BMI has "diagnostic" value. You seem to be claiming that it has no value.

    Then you've missed a pile of posts. It was claimed that an individual outside of the appropriate range is at increased risk of developing one of these maladies. That's not accurate. The correct correlation would be that overweight people are at risk of developing those ailments. How you determine that someone is overweight is up for debate.

    That's fine, but BMI is the best measure of "overweightness" we have on a population level. When you're talking about an individual person, I agree that body composition, where fat is stored, waist to height ratio, etc. is much more important than BMI.

    The story that sparked this discussion was on a population level.

    I'm sure we could go back and forth all day but we both probably have better things to do. Personally I have to go eat lunch so I can keep my BMI in the healthy range. (kidding!)
  • emergencytennis
    emergencytennis Posts: 864 Member
    NBC spews lies. The model needs a handgun. ;)

    yay sexist derail
  • wild_wild_life
    wild_wild_life Posts: 1,334 Member
    NBC spews lies. The model needs a handgun. ;)

    yay sexist derail

    LOL, I prefer the penis comments personally. Guess they didn't have the metrics to include that, but it is published elsewhere.

    http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=3073
  • beekay70
    beekay70 Posts: 214 Member
    Speaking of BMI: http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/2013/10/16/7-food-and-fitness-myths-busted/.

    Myth #5. BMI works for everyone. Do you ever wonder what the BMI number we’re given means, and why it’s always just a little too high? For years, Body Mass Index (BMI) has been a standard metric for determining whether or not someone is normal weight, overweight, or obese. But now, researchers are rethinking the BMI. The measurement fails to account for body composition and doesn’t differentiate between muscle and fat, or where that fat is distributed in the body.

    Since belly fat is more dangerous than other fat, increasing the risk of diabetes, heart disease, and death, the BMI lacks the insight to note possible health problem associated with obesity. BMI also doesn’t factor in differences in musculature, ethnicity, gender, and age. In short, BMI isn’t TMI.

    Referenced in the article: http://www.livescience.com/39097-bmi-not-accurate-health-measure.html
  • exmsde
    exmsde Posts: 85 Member
    All those other countries have massive starvation problems

    You must be joking.

    Did you see the ;-)
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    I personally think its a great thing. The fatter the average gets the better I look in comparison without having to work harder. I guess I'm kinda a glass half full kind of guy anyway though.

    Excellent point...

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