Why don't doctors and nurses pee in a cup?

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  • kobiemom
    kobiemom Posts: 218 Member
    I'm an RN. I had to be drug tested and pass a background check at my own expense to get my job. I just had to do another background check to renew my license. Again, at my own expense
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    Speaking of drug abuse and access, funny0ish story.

    I used to work for a neurology practice and one of the docs there was notorious for handing out narc scripts to patients who were drug-seeking. He didn't want to deal with them, so he'd basically "pay" them to go away. I was at my cousin's house a couple weeks ago and my aunt mentioned the practice and I said something about that doc. My cousin asked his name and I couldn't remember, so she pulled up the list of docs in the practice and was going through them one by one to see if I'd recognize the name.

    I finally asked, "Are you wanting to know where the good drugs are or something?"

    And then we all laughed because for that very short second, I'd forgotten she was a pharmacist ...
  • MyOwnSunshine
    MyOwnSunshine Posts: 1,312 Member
    Nurses according to MFP: Obese, smokers, sluts, and now druggies.

    I'm printing out names and profile pictures just in case any of the nurse-haters end up on my unit begging for Dilaudid. :grumble:

    Screenshot taken just in case any "accidents" happen at your hospital. :laugh:

    No accidents, but I'm sure Tylenol would take care of their post-op or trauma pain just fine. We wouldn't want anyone becoming dependent...
  • joe_madre
    joe_madre Posts: 693
    Who said they don't?
  • vrandal
    vrandal Posts: 22 Member
    I work in a hospital and clinic laboratory and do drug testing on ALL new hires. I have had to go down to surgery do testing before the surgeon could start the surgery (sadly)
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,993 Member
    In thinking about this topic further, doctors who are self-employed and don't have privileges at hospitals may not be drug tested. Also, nurses who are employed at a doctors' office or clinics may or may not be subjected to employment drug testing.

    Anyone can turn in a doctor or nurse to the medical or nursing board if they suspect that they are abusing drugs, inappropriately prescribing drugs or illegally diverting drugs. The board would then investigate and suspend or revoke their license, or allow them to practice conditionally while attending a mandatory program for substance abuse.
    This I've seen happen. I just happen to listen in on a radio conversation about drug abuse by anesthesiologist's being at a high rate. Apparently the authority discussing it found it quite difficult to get drug testing done on them without discrimination. Anyway it's good to hear from others that the medical field goes through many mandatory drug tests like other occupations.

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    Well, it makes sense that people who work under extreme stress and adverse conditions, and who also have access to extremely potent narcotics would be more likely to abuse those drugs than someone who does not have access. Unfortunately, doctors, nurses, pharmacists and police officers all have a higher likelihood of substance abuse because of the nature of their jobs. I have known several doctors and nurses who have been mandated to participate in substance abuse programs over the years.

    My personal experience is that it is not difficult to get mandatory drug testing done if there is careful documentation of a pattern of suspected abuse, or even one concerning incident.

    Contrary to the opinions of most on MFP, most doctors and nurses entered their profession to help people, and work under extreme duress and receive very little appreciation for the sacrifices they make (long hours, holidays, nights, weekends; dealing with body fluids; actually saving people's lives on a regular basis). The hardest thing I've ever had to do is to call someone in the middle of the night and tell them their spouse of 50 years or more has died. I have had to do this multiple times in my career. Imagine an ED or Trauma physician who has to do this multiple times in one shift. It is not easy to tell people that their children are dead. Anesthesiologists have an extremely precise and stressful job, often stand on their feet for 12 or more hours at a time with no food, drink or bathroom breaks, while monitoring patients. They save lives on the table every day. Sometimes they don't and it's horrible when they can't. Extreme duress and not being able to express emotions on the job lead to the need to self-medicate -- with drugs, with food, sometimes with healthy behavior like exercise.

    Substance abuse happens in every social strata, in every career, in every age group. Unfortunately, when access to potent narcotics is easy, and stress levels are constantly and abnormally high, substance abuse is more likely.
    I agree. Working in a Wellness Center (which here is California, is a fitness center that is connected to a hospital), the majority of our members are hospital staff members (doctors, nurses, etc.) and see the stress that they go through sometimes.
    Both my parents were in the medical field. My mom was an OBYN nurse practitioner and my dad was an ER tech. So I have much respect for the people who practice medicine.

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  • Mustang_Susie
    Mustang_Susie Posts: 7,045 Member
    Because it's more messy than just peeing straight into the loo....
  • vtmoon
    vtmoon Posts: 3,436 Member
    How can they not hire nurses that use tobacco, it's not illegal. I can understand not wanting them to smoke at work but that seems bizzarre and discriminatory.

    Not really, they can not hire someone if he/she can't perform the job to their standards. I can't complain about not being hired in a warehouse if I don't have arms and can't lift the 70lbs they need me to be able to lift.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    How can they not hire nurses that use tobacco, it's not illegal. I can understand not wanting them to smoke at work but that seems bizzarre and discriminatory.

    Not really, they can not hire someone if he/she can't perform the job to their standards. I can't complain about not being hired in a warehouse if I don't have arms and can't lift the 70lbs they need me to be able to lift.
    But if someone smokes/chews and can still perform the job to their standards, then why not? I know a lot of smokes who are quite fit and capable.
  • vtmoon
    vtmoon Posts: 3,436 Member
    How can they not hire nurses that use tobacco, it's not illegal. I can understand not wanting them to smoke at work but that seems bizzarre and discriminatory.

    Not really, they can not hire someone if he/she can't perform the job to their standards. I can't complain about not being hired in a warehouse if I don't have arms and can't lift the 70lbs they need me to be able to lift.
    But if someone smokes/chews and can still perform the job to their standards, then why not? I know a lot of smokes who are quite fit and capable.

    Not smoking can be part of the image they are going for, so even though they can do the job they might not meet the image standards. I can't be a server at Hooters, I just have to accept I don't match what the company is looking for.
  • I left my ICU of many years to take on a position at a facility which is well known which a good reputation. Amazing, M-F, only 3 days a week and no weekends! I was so excited. The manager felt blessed to hire me and was going to implement me in supervisor positions. Boom, failed my urine drug screen, positive for Cotitine (evidence of nicotine). Do I smoke on a daily basis, no. I went to a Hooka lounge with friends 1 week prior...then I got the call. I had just completed a1200 calorie burn and was enjoying Subway...I freaked out. The manager and I discussed, he tried everything to have HR make an exception, but his hands were tied...had to resend my job offer...I was devastated...I tried to get my old position back but was honest that I would most likely leave in 3 months and head over to the place I was offered a job (was on a 3 month penalty period). My old manager said no. I was out a job. So, I took a home health care position 4 miles from my house and provided primary care for a 6 year old ventilator dependent child, I quit on my 3rd day. The child was autistic (which they didn't disclose) and violent and punched my face, scratched my face, and pulled my hair. I left that job in tears as it was such a shock to me I couldn't handle a child's behavioral problems....this was at the end of July. I didn't have a job until September 8th. I took an ICU position, days, at a smaller hospital 8 minutes from my home and the acuity here is low, and the stress is far less. My previous job was complete chaos and a lot a septic sick people in rotoprone's, with CRRT, and a power of tower, with 30 plus family members and I was required to have an additional patient which may also be on CRRT or IABP... Once settled in my new ICU, the day surgery manager offered me another position and I made the hard decision to decline. I'm happy overall where I am...I miss the super sick high acuity patient load, but my mind, body, spirit, and soul needed a break.

    I had no idea Cotitine can show in your system after that time frame, it has been a very hard summer for me, but I am now at peace with all that happened.