TDEE/BMR.. My head is swimming

Ok- So I've been trying to loose some weight for the last year to no avail. I feel like I've tried everything under the sun and nothing has worked. I even trained for a half marathon and while running 4-8 miles 5 days a week,, lost 4 lbs in 6 months. I need to loose about 50 so it's not like I only have a few to loose.

However... after discovering this TDEE/BMR thing- I'm realizing that perhaps I haven't been eating enough calories. I don't think I've gone over 1200/day in over a year with the exception of a nice meal out somewhere here and there. However.. this TERRIFIES me. It says I should be eating about 1800 calories per day... 180 grams of protein and 112 carbs. I have absolutely no idea how to even get that much protein ever single day. For example.. yesterday my numbers were:protein 81, fat 9, sugar 33, carbs 64,..

Honestly, I don't even know if I could eat 1800 cals/day (well I could down a bag of Doritos happily! LOL) in a healthy way.

Any tips for a newbie at this type of eating?

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  • socajam
    socajam Posts: 2,530 Member
    Ok- So I've been trying to loose some weight for the last year to no avail. I feel like I've tried everything under the sun and nothing has worked. I even trained for a half marathon and while running 4-8 miles 5 days a week,, lost 4 lbs in 6 months. I need to loose about 50 so it's not like I only have a few to loose.

    However... after discovering this TDEE/BMR thing- I'm realizing that perhaps I haven't been eating enough calories. I don't think I've gone over 1200/day in over a year with the exception of a nice meal out somewhere here and there. However.. this TERRIFIES me. It says I should be eating about 1800 calories per day... 180 grams of protein and 112 carbs. I have absolutely no idea how to even get that much protein ever single day. For example.. yesterday my numbers were:protein 81, fat 9, sugar 33, carbs 64,..

    Honestly, I don't even know if I could eat 1800 cals/day (well I could down a bag of Doritos happily! LOL) in a healthy way.

    Any tips for a newbie at this type of eating?

    If you open your diary, people could have a better understanding what you are eating and then offer suggestions, otherwise it is just a guessing game and to me a waste of time.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Get your figures with best estimates, don't use BMR that doesn't take in to account your bodyfat%, because you've very likely burned off some muscle mass in last year eating that low with that much exercise.

    And when you say rarely ate above 1200, sounds like you didn't even follow MFP's method of eating back exercise to keep a semblance of a reasonable deficit.

    Then don't guess among 5 levels of TDEE, use a better activity calc based on type and time of exercise and your weight.

    The get a deficit recommendation based on type and time of exercise, that is reasonable to help spare muscle mass. Get macros right for trying not to lose any more muscle mass too.

    Track progress with inches and weight.

    You need a diet break too, eating at maintenance for probably a bit, to at least recovery some of the metabolism you've lost, but unlikely you'll get up to where it could have been.

    Also, to your concern of 1800 seeming high?
    That's compared to 1200, the only number you've known, right, which is minimal safe level for nutritional purposes for sedentary person.
    You sedentary?
    How much did you used to eat prior to diet that got you in to trouble?
    That's the calorie number to compare to, probably be surprised you were eating close to 2000-2500 without exercise.

    This will help with those numbers. Link at bottom if you need no education on BMR/TDEE.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/813720-spreadsheet-bmr-tdee-deficit-macro-calcs-hrm-zones
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    You trained for a 1/2 marathon on 1200 calories per day? Did you not realize that MfP gives you a deficit from maintenance that is NET of exercise...meaning that 1200 calories is for someone completely sedentary...if you exercise you were supposed to be eating more.

    Your BMR calories are those calories that your body "burns" just being alive...pumping your heart and making your lungs work, etc. You'd burn these calories sleeping all day. You should find a calculator that uses the Katch-Mccardle formula for determining your BMR...this utilizes only your LBM in the formula rather than your total weight. Those other formulas aren't going to work for you because 1) you have a higher level of BF% that doesn't need to be fed as part of your BMR and 2) it is likely you've burned off some LBM eating so few calories for over a year and training for 1/2 marathons and the like in the process. Burning off LBM with further decrease your BMR and thus your total calorie requirements and thus your cut wouldn't be as high as someone of similar stats who had a greater LBM:BF ratio. You need to get your BF measured to use the Katch-Mccardle formula.

    You'll also want to increase calories slowly...you don't want to go from 1200 and netting god knows how low to grossing 1800 calories overnight. It is likely that your body has made significant adjustments to the lower calorie intake...again, this is going to flaw any TDEE calculator out there as you most likely do not fall into the statistical averages used by these calculators. This may very well be a scenario where you really don't lose much for awhile and you just need to focus on getting your metabolism back up and kicking again. In that RE I'd also recommend getting on with some resistance training.

    Where are you getting the 180 grams of protein number? You should aim for around 1 gram per Lb of LBM...I'm a 183 Lb mail and with LBM of around 145 Lbs so I try to get around 140 - 150 or so grams of protein per day...I supplement with whey powder.

    Also, 9 grams of fat is not in any way shape or form healthy...you need way more dietary fat which is probably a huge reason why you're not losing...your hormones are all jacked from not having an adequate fat intake...you need dietary fat to lose BF.

  • For example.. yesterday my numbers were:protein 81, fat 9, sugar 33, carbs 64,..

    That number of fat grams seems scaringly low to me. No matter how you break down your macronutrient ratio, pretty much everyone recommends *at least* 20% of your calories be from fat (if not more). Having some asparagus? Throw on a good dose of olive oil :-)
  • emAZn
    emAZn Posts: 413 Member
    I thought the same thing but upping your protein adds alot of calories to your total daily intake. I can never reach my fats but I try! Yes, eat more, you'll a little weight at first but you'll feel better and you'll love all the food!
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    eat more calorie dense goods, avoid diet and lite foods, and drink calories. don't be afraid of fat, it is calorie dense and will get your cals up quickly.
    Peanut butter, olive oil are some additions you can make
  • born2drum
    born2drum Posts: 731 Member
    It's realy not that hard to eat 2000 calories a day. I find it hard to stay under. Look at my diary lol.

    It is best to eat slight above your BMR for 1.5lbs loss per week. If you'r BMR is 1800 than eat at 1900 per day to lose weight. 1200kcals is just groslly unnatural and unhealthy by any standars. A person in a coma requires more energy than that
  • Francl27
    Francl27 Posts: 26,371 Member
    First thing, if you've been eating 1200 calories for a year and not losing, something's wrong. Do you weigh all your food properly?

    Second, if you increase your calories, do it slowly.

    Third, my goal is 1600 and I have no problem whatsoever reaching that. Quite sure I could easily reach 1800. But of course I do eat 'junk' to get there (ice cream and a bit of chocolate, mostly. Could be worse).
  • Shoopc1
    Shoopc1 Posts: 4 Member
    Sorry if you feel I am wasting your time..was not my intent- just hoping to get some advice.

    My typical day looks like this:
    Breakfast: Protein Shake with 4 frozen Strawberries (Cytosport powder- 27g protein, 3carbs, 3sugars), cup of black coffee with 1tbs non dairy creamer

    Lunch- same as breakfast minus coffee

    Snack- usually either some grapes, spinach, pear or string cheese

    Dinner- Chicken breast and spinich salad- sometimes adding either black rice or sweet potatoes.

    I have a gallon pitcher in the fridge and most days drink it all.

    MON/WED/FRI- I do 45 mins of weight lifting following a Firm Video. TUE/WED/THUR/SAT I walk/Jog 3 miles.

    I realize that I'm doing this wrong, which is why I'm here. There is SO much information out there, that it's hard to know which is correct. As far as where I got the 180 grams of protein numbr- it was just a TDEE calculater that I found online-
  • kristen6022
    kristen6022 Posts: 1,923 Member
    You had 9 grams of fat yesterday? How is that even possible?

    Are you logging, weighing and measuring everything? Something REALLY isn't adding up.
  • emAZn
    emAZn Posts: 413 Member
    Another thing is with the protein calculator sounds like you might be going by would be 1 gram per pound of weight and what is more accurate and a litte more attainable is one gram per pound of lean body mass basically your body weight minus your body fat so if you are 180 lbs and 20% body fat then really you only have 144 lbs of lean body mass and your protein goal should be somewhere around 144 lbs as a minimum... You can always go over :)
  • jpolinisse
    jpolinisse Posts: 149 Member
    Consider also this site to find your #'s.

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/#results
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    My typical day looks like this:
    Breakfast: Protein Shake with 4 frozen Strawberries (Cytosport powder- 27g protein, 3carbs, 3sugars), cup of black coffee with 1tbs non dairy creamer

    Lunch- same as breakfast minus coffee

    Snack- usually either some grapes, spinach, pear or string cheese

    Dinner- Chicken breast and spinich salad- sometimes adding either black rice or sweet potatoes.

    I have a gallon pitcher in the fridge and most days drink it all.

    MON/WED/FRI- I do 45 mins of weight lifting following a Firm Video. TUE/WED/THUR/SAT I walk/Jog 3 miles.

    1 - Eat an actual breakfast

    2 - Eat an actual lunch

    3 - You can eat more than chicken breast and salad...

    you need more variety, and way more dietary fat. Also, what activity level did you put into the TDEE calculator...did you do - 20%? I think possibly your activity level may be a little high for your 45 minutes of weight training and walk/jog 3 miles. With that kind of calorie goal it sounds like you put in the "3-5 moderate"...that might be a little high...maybe do some average of the light and moderate or just start out with light and start hitting your calorie goals....and eat real food....and get more dietary fat, it is an essential macro-nutrient.