Dramatic calorie restriction???

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I've been here a while now, have made a bunch of lovely supportive friends and the weight is slowly melting away with 1200+ calories a day and regular exercise.

What concerns me is that I have recently noticed a few posts in the 'introduce yourself' thread where people are encouraging others to drastically reduce their calories in order to see results. Now I know there is an MFP disclaimer regarding the advice given in posts, but I honestly think that advising someone to cut their intake drastically, to less than 1200 calories, is setting them up for failure.

I know, from past experience, that dramatic weight loss is possible by eating minimally (rather than moderately) but it's not sustainable long term and really only works for someone who has about 7 lbs to lose and wants instant results.
The Cabbage Soup diet, the Egg and Grapefruit diet, the Slimfast plan - I've done them all in the past.:blushing: And the only thing that works long term is a permanent change in eating habits and lifestyle.

I really don't want to jump in and totally disagree with someone, because I love the fact that MFP people are generally supportive and helpful - I just think that new people to the boards may be getting the wrong idea of how to maintain weight loss and be healthy.:ohwell: .

Your thoughts?
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  • missyhse
    missyhse Posts: 189
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    I agree with you 100% and I've been responding to some of those posts as well. It is unhealthy and dangerous to have too severe of a deficit. While it MIGHT work for weight loss initially, it can cause long term damage to your body...Thank you for posting this.
  • 4lafz
    4lafz Posts: 1,078 Member
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    I so agree. On those "cut the calories" types of diets you lose initially and gain it right back again. Have done it so many times - time to learn a real lifestyle! Hope others read this :-)
  • lordofultima
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    I agree. Losing more than 1 lb. a week can have negative health connotations, especially over extended periods of time. I would know, since I ate about 1200 calories for the first two months of my dieting before I realized that was a horrible idea.

    I dropped over 20 lbs in that time, but half of that weight was from muscle mass and not fat. I also then had a horribly slow metabolism and was forced to eat what I should be eating, along with strenuous exercise, to get my body back into the swing of things. I gained some weight back during that time since my body had to re-adjust, but it's worth it in the long run. Now I'm on my way to a 10-8% bodyfat range, and gaining lean mass at the same time.

    The moral of this story: eat right, and your body will keep it off. Change your life, don't just adjust your diet for a couple months.
  • edinat
    edinat Posts: 159 Member
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    Thanks so much for this info, when i first started here i didnt really understand the entire calorie stuff. I think however, that people who have a much higher amount to loose, can go 2lbs a week. I just recently found out about this website, but before i didnt count calories, i simply just ate what i thought was right, and what i have learned is right. Watched what i ate, and honestly eat everything but just didnt go overboard and i managed to loose 29lbs so far.

    However, when i signed up here i set up my profile to loose minimum of 2 lbs a week because i have a lot of weight to loose, i think 2lbs is reasonable, i didnt exercise a lot before, except occasional take walks, and i had a job where i walked all day long, but i quit my job now i mostly sit on my job.

    Now i exercise 5-6 times a week at least 30 minutes, i eat about 1250-1300 calories a day according to my profile which i set up the first time i joined here. I also try to eat my exercise calories that i get, but sometimes i dont get to eat them, like tonight i had about 700 left. I dont want to do it wrong, and i dont want my body to go into starvation mode. So am i doing it right? Should i eat more? I eat 5 times a day, breakfast, lunch dinner and 2 snacks at least. My meals consist mostly of homemade things, yogurt, FRUTIS , VEGGIES, ETC.

    If you have any suggestions, please let me know i want to do this right! THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
  • AngelaCourtneyjones
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    I agree w/ your post and I am new to this site. I do realize that I myself have not been eating the proper calories for a 1200 calorie plan. I usually have about 750-900 calories a day. I know that's bad but i'm really getting full. It's just that everything i'm eating is good healthy food. I also workout 4 times a week-( 5mile brisk walking & 200 crunches)...I have plenty of energy and i'm feeling good...Once a month I have a cheat day. I eat whatever I want on that day...I also only take vitamins. No pills...No gimics...my question is do I need to get overly full to take in the correct number of calories?:smile:
  • lordofultima
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    Based on your activity level alone you should eat more than 1200 calories, the amount of calories your body burns is mostly based on your weight and height, so keep in mind that people who weigh more burn more calories, and thus require more calories to maintain a healthy lifestyle than someone who weighs less.
  • thefallguy
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    It's called Anorexia...

    The amount of calories allowed is a safe number to keep your body from having an imbalance in nutrition. Eating fewer than that is dangerous and borderline eating disorder. Next, they'll be talking about laxatives and purging. The whole point of this site is to safely, and effectively lose weight in a healthy reasonable manner.

    Eating less will work against you in the end because it slows down your metabolism drastically - which is not what we want!

    Thanks for this post, I was beginning to feel bad for eating all the calories I'm allowed each day.
  • edinat
    edinat Posts: 159 Member
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    so i really should be eating more?
  • lordofultima
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    Unless you want to keep eating sub-1200 calories for the rest of your life, you shouldn't be eating it now. A calorie deficit is required to lose weight, yes it's true. But we're talking a 10-20% cut of your recommended calories, not 50+%. Once you get to the weight you want, and start eating what you should be eating, you are going to blow up like the Michelin man, and gain all your weight back that you just lost.

    The difference there of course is, you lost muscle during your starvation-diet, so when you get back to your original starting weight, you'll actually have more fat on your body than you did before!
  • edinat
    edinat Posts: 159 Member
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    so how do you suggest that i make my profile to reflect that, and where can i find out what my healthy calorie intake should be?
  • lordofultima
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    Free calorie calculators all over the internet, here's one from scooby's workshop.

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/caloriecalculator.htm

    A good rule of thumb is to not eat under your BMR (this is the minimum amount of calories your body requires to function normally). If you have any more questions feel free to message me, although the calculator on the page is pretty self-explanatory.
  • celtic_chick
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    I worked out...a lot....before the auto accidents that I was involved in. I have always eaten 5 - 6 mini-meals a day....then and now. And I make sure to include some kind of protein with every meal. Cutting calories drastically is not a good way to lose weight....in the long run it's hurting your metabolism and will make it more difficult to maintain a proper weight. I noticed that some MFP members are eating less than 1000 calories a day, a few of them only around 500 - 600 a day. Eating properly (with food and drink that you enjoy in moderation :drinker: ) is definitely the way to go! Slainte!
  • leslielove
    leslielove Posts: 251 Member
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    Yeah Scooby! That guy is amazing lol
  • joleanrook
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    You asked for our thoughts.... not to disagree with EVERYONE who has posted so far but my thought is - to each his own.
    If it works for you, you are getting balanced nutrition via your food and supplements, and you are under the care of a physician, I see no problem whatsoever with a VLCD. There are ways to transition healthily from eating say 800 calories a day to 1500-2000 once you've met your goal without gaining back all your weight. You can also eat a lot on a VLCD if you're making good choices, like apples vs M&Ms.

    If you restricted all your foods and lost weight (crash diet-style) but then went right back to eating crap, yeah you'd gain it all back and probably more. A VLCD can actually help you learn to look at food in a better way and determine what foods are worth your time. For example, should I have this coke (140 cals) that won't fill me up, OR a healthy (123 cal) turkey sandwich which will provide nutrients as well as keep me full? It helps you make those smarter choices because you actually care about what you're eating and how long you will feel full from it.

    As I'm sure you guessed, I am on a VLCD and I love it. I am stuffed all the time and I exceed my protein and my fiber.
    My DOCTOR supervises this plan and I get routine physicals - the last of which actually showed my LBM has improved so, no, I am not losing muscle - at all. I have built muscle and lost 14 lbs and I've been doing this 31 days. My physician (who is a specialist btw) regularly views my MFP diary and is very pleased that I am keeping everything in a good balance (though I could afford to have more iron, but I supplement that and have my whole life being anemic.) Furthermore, I was a weight loss counselor for years as well as a dance instructor, I'm sure nobody cares but that does give me a little bit of a background to draw from. Being an EMT helps as well.

    The last thing I would say is this: Nobody should advise anyone on exactly what diet they should be on unless you are their physician and have a clear picture of their entire medical history. I am a fan of the VLCD, but not for everyone. Just like I am a huge fan of protein, but I know increasing your intake of it could be dangerous if you have a history of kidney disease - so unless you are a nephrologist don't recommend that to someone. That's how I look at this whole ugly debate. We can encourage one another and be a support system for one another but we should not conclusively prescribe plans to one another. Should people who do VLCD's, HCG, The Cabbage Soup Diet, The Total Cleanse, Atkins, or ANY OTHER DIET be allowed and encouraged to post on MFP -- ABSOLUTELY. Not only is it our right, but there are other people on MFP who want to learn about these things and form EDUCATED opinions. People are not as stupid as we think they are, and they are allowed to decide what's right for them.

    Wow... that was a lot. Sorry for the ramble. :tongue:
  • Maggie1960
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    Oh I agree, there's room for everyone on here, and everyone needs support, no matter what plan they are following.
    I am a registered nurse and have done a lot of work in Bariatrics so I also have a good understanding of VLCD's.
    I also know it is imperative for people undertaking these regimes to be supervised, monitored and supported by qualified healthcare professionals.
    There is a massive difference between the regime you are doing - and very successfully - and someone who has no experience of any kind of weight loss, and has never consulted a medical professional with regard to their weight.
    These are the people I am concerned about, they register with MFP and get advised to drastically reduce theri calories without any medical intervention prior to this.
    I have seen someone recommend a cycle of 400/600/800 calories. I have seen others recommend never eating above 900 calories. And plenty more, there was even a post (since deleted) advocating inducing vomiting.

    I hope I support everyone, whether they are pre or post weightloss surgery, using HGC, VLCD, or whatever method they find works.
  • joleanrook
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    Maggie, I couldn't agree with your last post more. I hope everyone on MFP recognizes that the only way to lose weight for life is to eat better and exercise, that's what it all comes down to. ANYONE who encourages the use of laxatives, diuretics, starvation, or vomiting to induce weight-loss should be flagged by MFP and warned to discontinue the advice which is universally recognized as medically unsafe. There is, like you say, a big difference between that type of speech and medically-supervised plans. MFP is not the answer, without a "heart change" and a true desire to be HEALTHY not just thin, none of us are any better off.

    I am proud to be a part of such a positive and supportive community!!!!!!
  • estelle74uk
    estelle74uk Posts: 465 Member
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    Free calorie calculators all over the internet, here's one from scooby's workshop.

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/caloriecalculator.htm

    A good rule of thumb is to not eat under your BMR (this is the minimum amount of calories your body requires to function normally). If you have any more questions feel free to message me, although the calculator on the page is pretty self-explanatory.

    Hi thanks for that, brill website!!
  • stormieweather
    stormieweather Posts: 2,549 Member
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    For those that say they simply can't eat that much, you don't have to eat more in quantity, just higher calorie foods. Instead of fat free cheese, have low fat or full fat. Some olive oil, a handful of almonds, whole eggs instead of egg whites, homemade salad dressing with real ingredients instead of fat free storebought, all these add healthy, nutritionally desirable calories.

    And I would definately recommend that anyone at all who plans to eat under their BMR consult with their physician and a nutritionist before doing so.

    It amazes me that so many people here are eating so little. When you look at what fitness models and knowledable individuals are eating by comparison, you'd be astounded. Tiny, 105-125 pound women, eating 1600-1900+ calories a day to lose fat.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=127412843
  • thefallguy
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    I'm a nurse as well, and worked with Bariatric patients, too. I agree with you. For the very few that are under the supervision of their doctor, you're the exception. Just because your doctor supervises your diet doesn't mean he's supervising all our diets. So for the rest of us, she's just trying to say keep it healthy!..... unless your doctor says it's ok otherwise.

    :P
  • tatiana_13
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    I hear you about wanting to correct unhealthy information. But, really, I think the best thing to do is to focus on giving advice to people who are ready to hear it. Because there aren't very many of us who haven't resorted to things that we know are unhealthy (low calories, over exercise, fasting, pills)...and even though we *knew* it was bad, we thought we would prove to be the exceptions and have it end up well. And we tried them, and failed. And after failure (and possibly failure, and failure, and failure), we were then able to hear the good advice that was floating around. But until we were ready to hear it, no one could tell us anything different.

    So, put your energy out there where it can do some good. Odds are, its not that they don't know its wrong, but that they don't care. We've all been there, so we know we changed when we were ready, not because somebody told us too. So, don't waste your time trying to change people who aren't ready to change. Help those who are ready.