Need some advice on how to increase strength
jsukhan
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This fall I went back to school. Since I have free gym access I started working out again. Before this year I had not been working out in a gym in 8 years. For the past three years I worked out at home.
When I used to work out at the gym I was doing a three day split, Day 1 chest/back, Day 2 Arms (including shoulder), Day 3 Legs, I worked out six days a week. I drank protein powder, and would use creatine for two to three at times then go off for 6. I weighed about 155lbs and I was benchpressing just over my body weight. I was trying to gain muscle mass so I was training using heavy weight/low reps.
In the past couple years I have gotten bigger so I currently weight 170lbs. I have free gym access this year so I am going somewhat easy, since I have no guaratees of somewhere to work out next year. I don't want to gain a huge amount of muscle mass and then have no method to maintain it.
I'm currently just doing 3 sets of 10 reps for all exercises I do. I only work out three days a week, so I only train each muscle group once a week. After two months I am still only benchpressing what I started at 115lbs (including bar). I realize no really cares what I can lift, but for me personally I am embarassed to only be able to lift that much. I at least want to bench my body weight again.
Any advice for what I can do? Do I need to train more? Can I accomplish my goals with my current sets/reps combination?
When I used to work out at the gym I was doing a three day split, Day 1 chest/back, Day 2 Arms (including shoulder), Day 3 Legs, I worked out six days a week. I drank protein powder, and would use creatine for two to three at times then go off for 6. I weighed about 155lbs and I was benchpressing just over my body weight. I was trying to gain muscle mass so I was training using heavy weight/low reps.
In the past couple years I have gotten bigger so I currently weight 170lbs. I have free gym access this year so I am going somewhat easy, since I have no guaratees of somewhere to work out next year. I don't want to gain a huge amount of muscle mass and then have no method to maintain it.
I'm currently just doing 3 sets of 10 reps for all exercises I do. I only work out three days a week, so I only train each muscle group once a week. After two months I am still only benchpressing what I started at 115lbs (including bar). I realize no really cares what I can lift, but for me personally I am embarassed to only be able to lift that much. I at least want to bench my body weight again.
Any advice for what I can do? Do I need to train more? Can I accomplish my goals with my current sets/reps combination?
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Drop your bro split and get on an actual strength program like Starting Strength or Stronglifts.0
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Split or no split, the key to gaining strength is progressive loading.
I do agree that something like Stronglifts would be very beneficial, though.0 -
What they said, and are you eating enough?0
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pick a well known program and do it. You're plan is obviously proving to be ineffective for you. Don't ego lift.
My stab in the dark is that you're doing way too much accessory work, on top of your bench press, using the same muscles. More isn't necessarily better.
Type out a typical day of exactly what you do in the gym.0 -
Do you have a workout partner? If not then maybe that's what you need to get the weight up again especially with bench pressing. Have a look at bodybuilding.com - they've got some excellent tailored workouts on there.0
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pick a well known program and do it. You're plan is obviously proving to be ineffective for you. Don't ego lift.
My stab in the dark is that you're doing way too much accessory work, on top of your bench press, using the same muscles. More isn't necessarily better.
Type out a typical day of exactly what you do in the gym.
For my chest/back day I do 3 sets of 10 reps of:
Inclinded Dumbell Press
Flat Bench Press
Flat Bench Dunmbell Flies
Peck Deck
Lat Pull Downs wide grip
Lat Pull Downs narrow grip
Sholder Shrugs
Dead Lifts
Back extensions
I also have my arms/shoulder day and leg day.0 -
What they said, and are you eating enough?
I am currently eating at a calorie deficit. But I don't want to get any bigger, just stronger. But that might not be a realistic goal.0 -
Do you have a workout partner? If not then maybe that's what you need to get the weight up again especially with bench pressing. Have a look at bodybuilding.com - they've got some excellent tailored workouts on there.
I do work out alone. I work out at school don't want to rely on anyone else to join me. I think I'm the only one of the 10 guys on my class that use the gym at school.0 -
Doing 3x10 sets of the same non-challenging weight once per week is just hoping to maintain.
Also, diary shows caloric intake of a small sedentary woman. Gonna feel weak with that.0 -
More sets, less reps, increase weights will give you strength.
Same sets, more reps(12), increase weights when you do 3(12) will give you more mass.
Also dump the lats pull downs and do pull/chin ups. Bigger bang for you buck.
Make sure your getting enough protein and fats in your diet.0 -
What they said, and are you eating enough?
I am currently eating at a calorie deficit. But I don't want to get any bigger, just stronger. But that might not be a realistic goal.
You're currently working in a hypertrophy (muscle bulking) rep range. For strength gains work in the 3-5 rep range. You can make awesome strength gains while in a deficit working in the appropriate rep range. You'll definitely plateau faster than you otherwise would on those gains, but that can be rectified once you go back to maintenance or do a bulk.
Also, do you log everything? Your diary looks pretty sparse. I'm a 5'10" male @ around 183/184 Lbs and I cut about 1 Lb per week at 2100 - 2200 gross calories per day. My stats are probably different than yours, but there's really not any need for a guy to be eating 1200 calories per day and what not. That's for sedentary old ladies. You want a deficit to cut the fat, but too large a deficit is going to destroy that muscle mass that you have.0 -
What they said, and are you eating enough?
I am currently eating at a calorie deficit. But I don't want to get any bigger, just stronger. But that might not be a realistic goal.0 -
You need to do either Stronglifts 5x5 or Starting Strength. The first one you can google and download for free. The second one you need to buy the book. Actually, whichever one you do you should buy the book as it will teach you everything you need to know on how to get strong.0
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More sets, less reps, increase weights will give you strength.
Same sets, more reps(12), increase weights when you do 3(12) will give you more mass.
Also dump the lats pull downs and do pull/chin ups. Bigger bang for you buck.
Make sure your getting enough protein and fats in your diet.
I forgot to add I start all my workouts with as many chin ups as I can do (13-14) and end it with as many pull ups as I can do (10).0 -
What they said, and are you eating enough?
I am currently eating at a calorie deficit. But I don't want to get any bigger, just stronger. But that might not be a realistic goal.
You're currently working in a hypertrophy (muscle bulking) rep range. For strength gains work in the 3-5 rep range. You can make awesome strength gains while in a deficit working in the appropriate rep range. You'll definitely plateau faster than you otherwise would on those gains, but that can be rectified once you go back to maintenance or do a bulk.
Also, do you log everything? Your diary looks pretty sparse. I'm a 5'10" male @ around 183/184 Lbs and I cut about 1 Lb per week at 2100 - 2200 gross calories per day. My stats are probably different than yours, but there's really not any need for a guy to be eating 1200 calories per day and what not. That's for sedentary old ladies. You want a deficit to cut the fat, but too large a deficit is going to destroy that muscle mass that you have.
I'm eating the typical three meals a day, plus snacks morning and afternoon while at school, and two more snacks in the evening at home. If I'm not hungry I cant make myself. Also sadly due to budget I can't afford to eat anymore.0 -
What they said, and are you eating enough?
I am currently eating at a calorie deficit. But I don't want to get any bigger, just stronger. But that might not be a realistic goal.
I may need to adjust my calorie goals. I was working full time in labour type jobs when I joined MFP. Now I spent my days sitting in a class room at school. Since joining MFP I have gained weight rather then loosing it, which was my goal. But at the same I have also gained muscle mass so gaining weight was to be expected.0 -
You need to do either Stronglifts 5x5 or Starting Strength. The first one you can google and download for free. The second one you need to buy the book. Actually, whichever one you do you should buy the book as it will teach you everything you need to know on how to get strong.
I looked at stronglift and I will do more reading about it when I have more time.0 -
Thank-you all for your advice and feedback.0
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Here is another option besides 5x5 or Starting Strength but what the others have said is right on. Pick a beginner strength program and stick to it. Increase calories at least up to maintenance.
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/jason-blaha-ice-cream-fitness-5x5-novice-workout0 -
Do you have a workout partner? If not then maybe that's what you need to get the weight up again especially with bench pressing. Have a look at bodybuilding.com - they've got some excellent tailored workouts on there.
I do work out alone. I work out at school don't want to rely on anyone else to join me. I think I'm the only one of the 10 guys on my class that use the gym at school.
I would ask them anyway, maybe one of them would jump at the chance and is waiting to be asked. You could make their day! In terms of relying on them well they don't have to be there every time. There must be other people in the gym when you are, why not buddy up with someone for the occasional exercise . I go to the gym with my boyfriend, we don't do every exercise together but when I need help pushing out those 'to failure' reps I couldn't ask for anything better. Sometimes he'll just put his finger on the bar, it tricks my mind into thinking he's taken some of the weight and I achieve my goal. Furthermore my buzzing feeling is met with a high five!0 -
I think you need to make a choice. If you want to build strength and increase your lifts eat at a caloric maintenance or surplus. If you want to lose weight eat at a deficit and your lifts will suffer somewhat. It's really hard to do both, some would say improbable. Decide whats important to you and do that thing.0
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Now I'm not one for "programs" but, specifically for bench press, if you are going to commit to increasing this lift, there is a great one out there that I know works: Musclemedia's 7 week bench program. The program claims to add up to 50 pounds to your benchpress within a seven week period, and if you follow it and give it your all, it really can, the friend who convinced me to try did it himself and added over 50, and I added 60lbs once, about 40lbs a second time to my bench going through it, to 425lbs 1RM. Now starting at 115lbs to 150lbs 1RM is too low for +50lbs, thats almost half to 1/3 your max, so be aware your first time through you'll probably go up maybe 30 pounds at most, later you can just do it again. This program is basically just some rules and a bench press chart of what to do when, nothing to buy, no balloney, and once you read and understand the rules you only need the chart and a good spotter. Spotter can be the hardest to find, because you really do need a good spotter, someone who can not only keep you safe doing negative lifts but also knows how to give you just barely enough aid to keep it moving, not some "random gym guy" once your lifts get heavy. Lack of a competent spotter is the main reason I'm not doing it strictly myself again at the moment. Doesn't have to be anyone big, just someone who is attentive, my best spotter was a 120lb girl
Just looked and maybe the site is down? I found another site that has the info directly from the page though, read it and if you work through it, its really worth it, just forget all the other voices, eat about 1g protein/lb of lean body mass/day, dont go in to do the lift without having eaten within an hour or so or tired out after aerobic exercise, read the instructions and follow them and the chart and I bet you'll be very happy with the results, its lots of fun to see this kind of gain in a short time.
http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/benchpgm.htm
BTW, anyone in the Bellevue/Redmond area looking for a workout spotter/buddy, write me!0 -
Now I'm not one for "programs" but, specifically for bench press, if you are going to commit to increasing this lift, there is a great one out there that I know works: Musclemedia's 7 week bench program. The program claims to add up to 50 pounds to your benchpress within a seven week period, and if you follow it and give it your all, it really can, the friend who convinced me to try did it himself and added over 50, and I added 60lbs once, about 40lbs a second time to my bench going through it, to 425lbs 1RM.
hard to believe considering the program's progression is set up to raise your 1RM by 25# in 7 weeks0 -
The results do vary widely depending on several factors, the biggest of which is where you start, the more you do starting 1RM the bigger the window for improvement is. The chart is set up to do sets, the last 3 sets of 3, 2 then 1 reps of different weight, the last weight is not the max, as you can do a lot more when you havent fatigued yourself with the high sets of 3 and 2 first. Don't get hung up on the time claim either, in my case, I was not even aware of the "7 weeks" claim when I did it, since I got the workout chart from a friend's photocopy, and I did take a few weeks longer than the program says. To me thats not important, what was important is the results.
If you don't have good nutrition, a good spotter, enough sleep, enough rest between workouts, don't complete all the workouts or don't give it your all, you won't have as good of results for each factor. I also took 5-7 days not 3-4 days between workouts as the program says, thats VERY important and what I'd advise too to allow enough time for muscle growth, there are other fine points to work out too for maximum results, but I'm just pointing you to a workout routine which yields great results for people who want to increase bench, I'm not your individual trainer If OP only gets +20lbs doing this program, thats a world of difference to what he's describing. Don't expect +50lbs, thats the "talking point" and name of the routine, you CAN have that much increase, but how much you gain depends on you and your starting point.0 -
What they said, and are you eating enough?
I am currently eating at a calorie deficit. But I don't want to get any bigger, just stronger. But that might not be a realistic goal.
You're currently working in a hypertrophy (muscle bulking) rep range. For strength gains work in the 3-5 rep range. You can make awesome strength gains while in a deficit working in the appropriate rep range. You'll definitely plateau faster than you otherwise would on those gains, but that can be rectified once you go back to maintenance or do a bulk.
Also, do you log everything? Your diary looks pretty sparse. I'm a 5'10" male @ around 183/184 Lbs and I cut about 1 Lb per week at 2100 - 2200 gross calories per day. My stats are probably different than yours, but there's really not any need for a guy to be eating 1200 calories per day and what not. That's for sedentary old ladies. You want a deficit to cut the fat, but too large a deficit is going to destroy that muscle mass that you have.
I'm eating the typical three meals a day, plus snacks morning and afternoon while at school, and two more snacks in the evening at home. If I'm not hungry I cant make myself. Also sadly due to budget I can't afford to eat anymore.
To have the energy to increase strength and/or mass you have to consume it...i.e. calories. You plateau pretty quick on strength gains eating at a modest calorie deficit...you're not going to make any headway eating 1200 calories. You don't have to eat a ton of food or spend a lot of money to increase calories. Cooking with oils and fats and eating nuts and such will go a long way. A mere tablespoon of olive oil has around 120 calories...a small handful of nuts has between 150 - 200 depending on the nuts. You just need more calorie dense foods.0 -
A loaf of bread and a $6 jar of peanut butter will make you a whole bunch of high protein sandwiches at around. 400 calories each.0
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Once again thanks for more advice and feedback.
I think main issue with eating more is I'm no longer working full time. I spend 6-7 hours a day sitting in a classroom and then spend another 4-5 studying and not really doing much a home. I have 10 minute walk to my car to and from campus, I work out in the gym three days a week and try to do cardio another three days at home. My fear is getting "fat" if I eat more.0 -
I increased my weight last week.
Now that I started lifting heavier I have developed pain in my elbows whenever I work my triceps, Ex tricep pull down or tricep press. This pain lasts for days. I feel pain when I extend my arms, not flex them.
Anyone ever experience this? Any ideas as to the cause? I'm hoping and praying its not arthritis. I'm due for my yearly physical in a couples weeks, but just wondering if anyone else has experienced this.0 -
5lbs away from benching my body weight again. Yay!!!0
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I increased my weight last week.
Now that I started lifting heavier I have developed pain in my elbows whenever I work my triceps, Ex tricep pull down or tricep press. This pain lasts for days. I feel pain when I extend my arms, not flex them.
Anyone ever experience this? Any ideas as to the cause? I'm hoping and praying its not arthritis. I'm due for my yearly physical in a couples weeks, but just wondering if anyone else has experienced this.
I experienced this two weeks ago! I extended my elbow beyond his normal range of motion with too much power. this happend due to a bad form while benchpressing. I worked on my form and didn`t had this problem any more. If you still have the same pain after your workout, maybe you should visit a doctor;it coul be you`re suffirng from a hyperextend elbow.0
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