Anyone in HR explain why a degree is so necessary?

jonsey_s
jonsey_s Posts: 222 Member
edited February 7 in Chit-Chat
WHY??????

Just because you study a subject for a few years, that has no relation to your career, this does not make you more able.

Academic study does not necessarily mean intelligence.


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  • ThePlight
    ThePlight Posts: 3,593 Member
    I'm not in HR.. However, I can say that I would not want a doctor that hasn't gone to med school O.O
    ETA: But I do agree with you, btw.
  • vtmoon
    vtmoon Posts: 3,436 Member
    If it is from an accredited Establishment then that implies you have met a couple of minimum criteria. It is an easy way for them to assume you know certain things, same reason some ask for a high school/GED. It would just take too long and too much for an employer to figure out what you know.
  • drgmac
    drgmac Posts: 716 Member
    HR is a complex field that requires a spot on knowledge of the various employment laws that govern the field, especially when you get into issues of dismissal, corrective action plans, and disability law. Most places want a Master's degree in HR fior this very reason. In addition, a college degree shows that you have the stamina to carry on through a course of study concentrated in your field, and demonstrates that yiy have the written and verbal communication needed for a "soft sciences" field.

    The current job market is highly competitive. If you think you're going to command a salary and position without that piece of paper, you are really not as smart as you propose to be. Get the piece of paper and market yourself with the proper credentials.
  • adioschubs
    adioschubs Posts: 384 Member
    PS: Having a bachelor's degree does not get you a job either unless you took commerce, computer science, etc. Most of the time employer's are looking for years of experience as well. Depends on what field you are looking to get into as well.
  • drgmac
    drgmac Posts: 716 Member
    @adios...agreed. The paper just gets you in the door.
  • jonsey_s
    jonsey_s Posts: 222 Member

    The current job market is highly competitive. If you think you're going to command a salary and position without that piece of paper, you are really not as smart as you propose to be. Get the piece of paper and market yourself with the proper credentials.

    How does a degree in art history or philosophy help me to establish an ability?

    A degree really does not prove ability.
  • Bahet
    Bahet Posts: 1,254 Member
    Did you learn anything in high school that will help you in a career that you couldn't have done with just an 8th grade education? If so, that's why a college education is required. If not, well, I hate to break it to you but you are in a dead end job.
  • drgmac
    drgmac Posts: 716 Member
    Then get a degree in the field and stop complaining. Do your homework and find out what it takes.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,865 Member
    WHY??????

    It doesn't, but the job market is saturated. It's a fairly simple filter.
  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member

    Academic study does not necessarily mean intelligence.


    :grumble:
    No, but it does mean that your adaptable, you know how to learn, and you were motivated.
  • AlongCame_Molly
    AlongCame_Molly Posts: 2,835 Member
    If it is from an accredited Establishment then that implies you have met a couple of minimum criteria. It is an easy way for them to assume you know certain things, same reason some ask for a high school/GED. It would just take too long and too much for an employer to figure out what you know.

    Not only this, but colleges are designed to reshape the way you think. Classes are designed to force you to think critically, ask questions objectively, and weed out lazy people who can't be bothered to take time to get their homework done. After you graduate, you (or most people, anyway) do not think the same way, are better-rounded, better able to learn new material and can problem-solve better. Would you want someone who can't do that in your workplace?

    With that in mind, I don't think it's any wonder at all why most places won't give anyone without a degree a second glance. If I were in a hiring position, I know I sure wouldn't.
  • drgmac
    drgmac Posts: 716 Member
    Molly, absolutely correct, and the higher you go, the more you think, and think differently,
  • jonsey_s
    jonsey_s Posts: 222 Member
    Interesting.....

    I'm in the UK so not sure of the difference in US education systems. I left school at 18, totally disillusioned with education as for the final 3 years of it I had found my teachers disinterested and coupled with their striking and general lack of care I left to pursue "life".

    The last 20 years or so I have had positions ranging from entry level to senior management and "other" lines of work.

    I have been able to adapt in situations where graduates have, literally in 2 situations, curled up and cried. I am intelligent, have other qualifications, and can deal with anything that comes my way in any situation. Only last year I took over a project at the Olympics in London as the assigned person could not run it.

    I just don't have a degree.
  • Derpes
    Derpes Posts: 2,033 Member

    The current job market is highly competitive. If you think you're going to command a salary and position without that piece of paper, you are really not as smart as you propose to be. Get the piece of paper and market yourself with the proper credentials.

    How does a degree in art history or philosophy help me to establish an ability?

    A degree really does not prove ability.

    If someone has a history degree, odds are that the person has excellent writing skills, research skills, and critical thinking skills, all of which offer value in many fields.
  • TheSlorax
    TheSlorax Posts: 2,401 Member
    If it is from an accredited Establishment then that implies you have met a couple of minimum criteria. It is an easy way for them to assume you know certain things, same reason some ask for a high school/GED. It would just take too long and too much for an employer to figure out what you know.

    Not only this, but colleges are designed to reshape the way you think. Classes are designed to force you to think critically, ask questions objectively, and weed out lazy people who can't be bothered to take time to get their homework done. After you graduate, you (or most people, anyway) do not think the same way, are better-rounded, better able to learn new material and can problem-solve better. Would you want someone who can't do that in your workplace?

    With that in mind, I don't think it's any wonder at all why most places won't give anyone without a degree a second glance. If I were in a hiring position, I know I sure wouldn't.

    I don't agree with this at all. Maybe a degree should be indicative of the above, but in my experience there are kids putting in minimum effort to get through college and get their bachelor's in a liberal arts subject. Many of my high school classmates are spending tens of thousands on a degree and will make as much money or less than I do when they graduate this year - that is, IF they are able to find a job.

    I am more than intelligent enough to hold my own in college and obtain my degree (and I did complete two years with a high GPA), but I cannot afford to do so and am unable to take on student loans. Instead I work, relatively underpaid, at a demanding job to gain experience. If I were to go up for a promotion in my industry against someone with no experience but a degree in say, psychology or even finance, who is more qualified? Should I be automatically disqualified for this hypothetical job because I have no degree?

    If you are talking about entry level positions, then yes, for the most part someone with a degree would likely get the job over someone with no degree or experience. But when there is real world job experience at play, things are different. Degrees do not mean someone is a good employee with desirable workplace qualities, nor do they automatically indicate a higher level of intelligence.

    I also strongly object to the notion that I am "lazy" because I don't have a degree. I do not have parents or relatives to pay my way through college. I also do not have anyone to cosign for me on student loans, and federal loan amounts do not sufficiently bridge the gap between financial aid and tuition. That does not make me lazy. I would argue I've had to work much harder than my peers to get where I am now.
  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    I don't have a degree and have a job that makes me quite a bit above what the average college graduate can expect to make for several years after graduation. I have several years of experience under my belt now and have proven to be capable. Unfortunately, I am at a wall. If I want to advance further, then I need to obtain at least a Bachelors. Which is kind of fooey, because I would ideally be moving into a management position that a degree would not really prepare me for anyway. Really I just need a bit of Excel experience and everything else would have to be learned as part of the job.
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