Seralini GMO-rats paper to be retracted

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Acg67
Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
Must be Monsanto's doing :wink:

http://retractionwatch.com/2013/11/28/controversial-seralini-gmo-rats-paper-to-be-retracted/
A heavily criticized study of the effects of genetically modified maize and the Roundup herbicide on rats is being retracted — one way or another.

The paper — by Gilles Seralini and colleagues — was published in Food and Chemical Toxicology last year. There have been calls for retraction since then, along with other criticism and a lengthy exchange of letters in the journal. Meanwhile, the paper has been cited 28 times, according to Thomson Scientific’s Web of Knowledge, and the French National Assembly (their lower house of Parliament) held a long hearing on the paper last year, with Seralini and other scientists testifying.

Now, as reported in the French media, the editor of the journal, A. Wallace Hayes, has sent Seralini a letter saying that the paper will be retracted if Seralini does not agree to withdraw it.

Here’s most of the November 19 letter, including Hayes’ proposed retraction notice:

The panel had many concerns about the quality of the data, and ultimately recommended that the article should be withdrawn. I have been trying to get in touch with you to discuss the specific reasons behind this recommendation. If you do not agree to withdraw the article, it will be retracted, and the following statement will be published it its place:

The journal Food and Chemical Toxicology retracts the article “Long term toxicity of a Roundup herbicide and a Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize,”1 which was published in this journal in November 2012. This retraction comes after a thorough and time-consuming analysis of the published article and the data it reports, along with an investigation into the peer-review behind the article. The Editor in-Chief deferred making any public statements regarding this article until this investigation was complete, and the authors were notified of the findings.

Very shortly after the publication of this article, the journal received Letters to the Editor expressing concerns about the validity of the findings it described, the proper use of animals, and even allegations of fraud. Many of these letters called upon the editors of the journal to retract the paper. According to the journal’s standard practice, these letters, as well as the letters in support of the findings, were published along with a response from the authors. Due to the nature of the concerns raised about this paper, the Editor-in-Chief examined all aspects of the peer review process and requested permission from the corresponding author to review the raw data. The request to view raw data is not often made; however, it is in accordance with the journal’s policy that authors of submitted manuscripts must be willing to provide the original data if so requested. The corresponding author agreed and supplied all material that was requested by the Editor-in-Chief. The Editor-in-Chief wishes to acknowledge the co-operation of the corresponding author in this matter, and commends him for his commitment to the scientific process.

Unequivocally, the Editor-in-Chief found no evidence of fraud or intentional misrepresentation of the data. However, there is legitimate cause for concern regarding both the number of animals in each study group and the particular strain selected. The low number of animals had been identified as a cause for concern during the initial review process, but the peer-review decision ultimately weighed that the work still had merit despite this limitation. A more in-depth look at the raw data revealed that no definitive conclusions can be reached with this small sample size regarding the role of either NK603 or glyphosate in regards to overall mortality or tumor incidence. Given the known high incidence of tumors in the Sprague-Dawley rat, normal variability cannot be excluded as the cause of the higher mortality and incidence observed in the treated groups.

Ultimately, the results presented (while not incorrect) are inconclusive, and therefore do not reach the threshold of publication for Food and Chemical Toxicology. The peer-review process is not perfect, but it does work. The journal is committed to a fair, thorough, and timely peer-review process; sometimes expediency might be sacrificed in order to be as thorough as possible. The time-consuming nature is, at times, required in fairness to both the authors and readers. Likewise, the Letters to the Editor, both pro and con, serve as a post-publication peer review. The back and forth between the readers and the author has a useful and valuable place in our scientific dialog.

The Editor-in-Chief again commends the corresponding author for his willingness and openness in participating in this dialog. The retraction is only on the inconclusiveness of this one paper. The journal’s editorial policy will continue to review all manuscripts no matter how controversial they may be. The editorial board will continue to use this case as a reminder to be as diligent as possible in the peer-review process.

Seralini — whom, as we note, tried to get reporters to sign a non-disclosure agreement when the study was first being released, a move Ivan called an outrageous abuse of the embargo system designed to turn reporters into stenographers — rejected Hayes’ findings, according to Le Figaro. And GMWatch called Hayes’ decision “illicit, unscientific, and unethical.”

There’s a lot to chew on here:

Our read is that Hayes is basically saying that while the paper doesn’t meet the usual criteria for retraction, it should never have been published in the first place. This will likely be quite controversial, and it will be interesting to see how the scientific community reacts. Based on comments here at Retraction Watch, many scientists say that retraction should be reserved for fraud and serious error. Does that hold for a paper that many criticized as deeply flawed — and which challenged GMOs, whose use is supported by many scientists?

Hayes is also saying that expedience is never an excuse for rushing a paper through peer review, no matter how controversial the subject. (Contrast Hayes’ comments with those by the editor of another Elsevier journal, Cell, earlier this year: “It is a misrepresentation to equate slow peer review with thoroughness or rigor or to use timely peer review as a justification for sloppiness in manuscript preparation.”)

Post-publication peer-review — something we’ve championed for a while — is really important.

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  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
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    Incompetence all around and cover your butt in a buddy buddy publication system.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    In to read.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
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    Isn't that a normal part of the scientific process though? You do a study, other scientists appraise the study, and if they find significant flaws in it, they reject the findings.....

    study rushed through peer review then later rejected... well why did they try to rush it through? Were they afraid that it would be rejected? Yeah, probably....
  • Ang108
    Ang108 Posts: 1,711 Member
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    I read the whole post and can't seem to figure out what the paper is actually saying, which to my thinking is important....:o).
    So, the paper is being retracted. Why ? Fraud, mismanagement of information, faulty research or Monsanto doing what they do ?
  • FerretBuellerr
    FerretBuellerr Posts: 468 Member
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    :frown:

    In to read more later.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
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    Paper retraction is a huge deal in the academic community. Given this is about GMOs, I expect the internet to explode shortly.

    Some more background...

    http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2013/06/the-seralini-rule-gmo-bogus-study.html
  • aimforhealthy
    aimforhealthy Posts: 449 Member
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    Paper retraction is a huge deal in the academic community. Given this is about GMOs, I expect the internet to explode shortly.

    Some more background...

    http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2013/06/the-seralini-rule-gmo-bogus-study.html

    Yeah, it's not just the conclusions being disproven by another peer-reviewed journal. This is an admission of complete failure and incompetence. Of findings of this magnitude and this far-reaching, it can be career-ending.

    Somebody done messed up.
  • FatHuMan1
    FatHuMan1 Posts: 1,028 Member
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    Layman here. Bottom line, what does this mean for me? Can I take my tinfoil hat off yet?
  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
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    Layman here. Bottom line, what does this mean for me? Can I take my tinfoil hat off yet?

    or strap it on tighter?

    wait shouldnt that tinfoil be wrapped around the turkey?
  • Daniloveshockey94
    Daniloveshockey94 Posts: 348 Member
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    Tagging to read later!
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    Tagging to read later and to have on my newsfeed
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    Yeah, but GMO, so bad.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
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    Bottom line - the findings were inconclusive. According to the standards of the journal they were published in, it should never have been published.

    My experience is that peer review can be buddy buddy. It can also be enemy enemy.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
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    Layman here. Bottom line, what does this mean for me? Can I take my tinfoil hat off yet?

    or strap it on tighter?

    wait shouldnt that tinfoil be wrapped around the turkey?

    Maybe your corn. :wink:
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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  • Sarahnade42x
    Sarahnade42x Posts: 308 Member
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    I read the whole post and can't seem to figure out what the paper is actually saying, which to my thinking is important....:o).
    So, the paper is being retracted. Why ? Fraud, mismanagement of information, faulty research or Monsanto doing what they do ?

    You can read the original research article here: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005637
    Or, in short, the paper concludes that eating GMOs will kill you in about five different ways.

    I'm surprised they let this study publish so easily because a) drastic results like that would have a big impact on consumer preferences and (more importantly, of course) businesses, so someone should have done more serious quality control beyond peer review, and b) the Hammond et al. rat study cited in the paper (essentially the same research done in 2004) had the exact opposite conclusion. Did that not strike the reviewers as weird? Tsk tsk.
  • Charlottesometimes23
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    It's very fishy..

    The rats they used were prone to developing tumours anyway, particularly if fed ad libitum, which they did. Apparently tumour rates in the GMO groups were within expected rates in this strain of rats anyway. The control numbers were very small and the study would have been underpowered. The stats were strange for that type of study. These issues should have rung alarm bells with the reviewers and the editor. Considering the topic, I would have thought they would be extremely careful with their reviews.

    This reminds me of the Pusztai drama.
  • fruttibiscotti
    fruttibiscotti Posts: 987 Member
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    I just read the paper (thanks for the link by the way) and their proof is not crisp. For instance, the paper states mortality rates in rats with less dosage of round up in their diets was higher than those of rats with more dosage. Why didn't the data show that increasingly higher toxin (round up) causes increasingly higher death rates? Also, to add to this, the paper states in the abstract summary that mortality in female rats was much higher, but then when I dig deeper into the fine print details in the paper, they state that the majority of the female rats were euthanized in order to comply with ethics standards, as they observed tumours were getting large.

    So, what sort of conclusion to draw from that? Lower toxin dosage equals faster mortality. And female rats died faster than male rats, from human intervention, not naturally.

    The paper states that they had one or two rats in a cage - so how do you measure rate of consumption of toxin per specimen if you cannot track their consumption? If you are not tracking how much mass the individual rats are eating, then you lose control of the toxin dosage. For example, if I'm a rat to be feed with food dosed at 10% toxin, but I happen to be an exceptional greedy rat and eat twice as much as my other cage mate, don't I then fall into another category of higher toxin dosing?

    I hope this doesn't come across as though I am pro GMO and use of round up.. Hell no! I would rather have untreated natural foods in my food supply chain. But it bugs the hell out of me when I see disconnected logic in the literature like this. Of course Monsanto, or whoever can poke holes through this study. The logic behind their stated conclusion is weak.

    Did anyone else read the paper and draw different insights than me? Curious to know what you see. This area is NOT my expertise, so I can only try to read and apply layman common sense logic. But, then again, I was sipping on some wine while reading through this. Maybe I can blame it on the wine!
  • brower47
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    Well at least the peer reviewed process seemed to work in the end. Why is it that controversial subjects seem to get scooted more quickly through the process when they should actually be more highly scrutinized?

    Pro tip for researchers:

    If you're looking at morbidity rates in conjunction with certain substances, don't use a genetic line of animals that's prone to cancer and don't use a small animal population. Or do and get your papers retracted, losing all professional credibility for life.

    ETA to fix punctuation.