Vegan anyone?

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  • MyChocolateDiet
    MyChocolateDiet Posts: 22,281 Member
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    I have learned so much from this thread. Off to buy my PETA shirt and a filet-o-fish sandwich and........oreos!!!!!!

    I plan to be a 5% vegan and also to apologize to all my dead tea leaves before dousing them in hot water too.

    I just KNOW I'm gonna wake up a lot happier.

    Disclaimer: I won't wake up lighter than I already do because a recent thread has shined the light on I wake up lighter than I go to bed,....in fact everyone does.
  • nikilis
    nikilis Posts: 2,305 Member
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    I'm a vegan too. Pro: I get to be cool at parties when I tell people that I'm a vegan. Con: They look at me weird when I'm eating my steak and washing it down with chocolate milk. Don't they understand it's okay on occasion? They just jelly.
    We are all jelly of your dark meat :wink:

    Thats what she said. uh huh uh huh.
  • VoodooAborisha
    VoodooAborisha Posts: 147 Member
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    I would have thought that even if someone was wanting to go partially vegetarian, or partially vegan, that the animals saved in that step, and the health benefits to the person, would be something worth cheering for.

    I think we should encourage people who are making any percentage of transition toward a plant-based diet. Otherwise, we don't really care about the individual animals that would indeed be saved, but rather our status as "perfect vegan" compared to the other person.

    "Do it 100% or you suck" is going to lead to somebody deciding to... NOT go Vegan, in any form. Eating even ONE less animal product in a day saves an animal - and THAT is worthwhile. Anybody becoming conscious of this and having the nerve to try, even a little bit, should be congratulated and encouraged - then they might go even farther.

    Remember why you became vegan in the first place, and see that the animals are more important than your idea of what a perfect vegan should be. Being a vegan doesn't make you special or perfect. But a heart opening to the idea of kindness toward animals should be encouraged, not made fun of.

    Congrats to anybody moving toward a more plant-based diet, regardless of the percentage.
  • Ophidion
    Ophidion Posts: 2,065 Member
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    <----Loooong time vegan.
    I would have thought that even if someone was wanting to go partially vegetarian, or partially vegan, that the animals saved in that step, and the health benefits to the person, would be something worth cheering for.

    I think we should encourage people who are making any percentage of transition toward a plant-based diet. Otherwise, we don't really care about the individual animals that would indeed be saved, but rather our status as "perfect vegan" compared to the other person.

    "Do it 100% or you suck" is going to lead to somebody deciding to... NOT go Vegan, in any form. Eating even ONE less animal product in a day saves an animal - and THAT is worthwhile. Anybody becoming conscious of this and having the nerve to try, even a little bit, should be congratulated and encouraged - then they might go even farther.

    Remember why you became vegan in the first place, and see that the animals are more important than your idea of what a perfect vegan should be. Being a vegan doesn't make you special or perfect. But a heart opening to the idea of kindness toward animals should be encouraged, not made fun of.

    Congrats to anybody moving toward a more plant-based diet, regardless of the percentage.

    Well I encourage the lifestyle but I also maintain a sense of humor.

    As far "perfect vegan" was not belittling the person who used the term incorrectly was still just maintaining a sense of humor and also I do not believe it was incorrect to educate her on the correct term for her dietary preference...never said she or others suck.

    She could easily use terms like "primarily vegan" or "primarily plant based diet" when necessary.
  • rawstrongchick
    rawstrongchick Posts: 66 Member
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    Why did you choose that lifestyle? - I have dietary complications, I had no choice.

    Does it help you have more energy? - Yes definitely, but then I had digestive issues which were being triggered by certain foods before

    Physically feel better? - See above answer

    What are the pros and cons for you personally? - Pro's are that I feel better, I can train harder and my pain levels are greatly reduced. Cons are that I personally struggle without cheese, I was a veggie for 20 years before turning vegan 6 years ago so I don't miss meat, but there are occasions I would LOVE to bury my face in a really cheesey pizza!

    My advice would be not to turn vegan unless you have a very strong motivation to do it. It takes either a serious health complaint or very strong ethic beliefs to make it a rewarding and sustainable diet.
  • chadderbox17
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    Recently switched over to a vegan diet. There are really three main problems I've faced up to this point. I tend to eat a little less than I should at times if I'm not careful (but that's why you should track intake), I have to take supplements for B12 and it's pretty much impossible to eat when others are preparing the meal. There are plenty of vegan restaurants and vegan options at restaurants in most cities though, so as long as you can avoid going over to friends' houses for meals, you should be fine on that front.

    I mostly chose to go vegan for the environmental reasons. The meat industry is the largest producer of greenhouse gases and contributes more to global warming than all other industries. Then there are the ethical and economical reasons as well, but you can read about those most anywhere.

    Perhaps the greatest positive side effect I've noticed is how much better I feel, especially after meals. Where meat often tended to satiate and make me feel groggy after meals, I haven't had this problem on a vegan diet. It's very easy to get a complete protein profile in meals as well, despite what you might have heard, as many vegan meals will either include single sources of complete proteins or mix a variety of proteins (most vegetables have protein and a varied recipe will balance out your amino acids). Quinoa, cous cous and other whole grains sans gluten are some of my favorite proteins, although I often add nuts, seeds and legumes as well. If you do a little research into the foods you consume, you'll find that most of the specialty grains are complete proteins, very healthy and balanced in their caloric content (good divide of carbs, protein and fat). Additionally, most of the food you eat is far less processed so you're getting more natural food. Granted, a lot of vegans simply switch over and buy fake cheese, fake butter and fake meats. While that is certainly much less environmentally demanding, I wouldn't recommend those as significant parts of any vegan diet. As a rule of thumb I also keep unfermented soy to a minimum of once or twice a week (fermented soy can be used more often though, and both are complete proteins). If you choose to go vegan, eat more healthy grains (as a rule of thumb, the stranger the name, the better it is), seeds (hemp, chia, flax, etc.), and of course fruits and veggies (leafy greens have loads of protein). Not only will you have a more varied diet, you'll also benefit from the diversity of nutrients in the foods that you eat.

    As a parting shot, I'd recommend staying away from the fringe diets in veganism. While they're often nice in principle (I'm looking at you raw veganism), they're incredibly difficult to sustain and can be damaging to your health in the long run.
  • SamanthaD1218
    SamanthaD1218 Posts: 304 Member
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    I receive this question often, so I'm going to paste an answer that I provided for another user:

    I've always had really high cholesterol, even when I was at a healthy weight and getting a lot of exercise. High cholesterol doesn't run in my family, so it was very strange. Then as I got older and I put on some weight, my cholesterol got even higher. I tried to avoid animal products but didn't really consider going vegan until I read the book Skinny B!tch. Have you read it? The title sounds silly, but the authors made it that way on purpose to catch your attention. It's written by two women who are fitness and nutrition specialists (and former models), and is full of tons of great information (and pretty amusing to read in general - I was laughing out loud at a lot of it!).

    Although the book is very pro-vegan, it doesn't explicitly try to push a vegetarian or vegan agenda - it just gives you the straight facts. It talks about how Americans eat WAY more protein than is actually necessary, how certain foods can affect the body negatively while others do wonders for you, and even has a grocery shopping list at the end of the book with great vegetarian/vegan options. Aside from information on vegan/vegetarian diets, it has other chapters on things like sodium, alcohol, medications, chemicals in your food, and even how your poop should look (lol).

    Cheese was the hardest thing for me to give up. I'm sure that's part of the reason I became overweight and have such high cholesterol! I could eat cheese all day. After some shopping around, though, I found some pretty great vegan cheese alternatives that taste just as good on sandwiches or in food (although, I do have to admit they are nowhere near as good as real cheese on their own). My fridge is stocked with vegan cheese slices, vegan cream cheese, vegan shredded cheddar cheese, vegan Parmesan cheese... you name it! I'm a huge fan of veggie burgers (Morning Star is wonderful - they do burgers, bacon, sausage, etc.) and even found some really good vegan "chick'n cutlets." I also discovered that I love almond milk. Honestly, once I figured out what products I liked, it didn't seem like I was really giving anything up - just finding yummy and healthier alternatives.

    I notice that I eat a LOT more vegetables and fruits now, and my energy is much better. When I started the vegan diet, I lost a good amount of weight pretty quickly. Now the weight loss is much slower, but it's still coming off. I've also started eating healthier snacks just because it makes me feel better - a lot of potato chips are cholesterol-free, but now I'm more satisfied with carrots and hummus or kale chips.

    I still eat some "junk" food every now and then, but I think that's pretty normal and keeps me from binging on something that is worse for me. I'm more than happy to recommend different products and brands, so send me a PM or friend me if you want to talk about it. I think I've tried every cheese alternative possible, so I know the good ones ;) And Skinny ***** has pages upon pages of recommendations, divided by type of food and what you're looking to replace. (Like, "if you like melted cheese on nachos, try this cheese alternative because it melts well and has great flavor" or "if you love hamburgers on the grill, this veggie burger tastes the most authentic").

    I did the vegan thing years ago in college and after only a month my cholesterol was down 60 points. I ended up stopping it because it got pretty expensive (I had to go to health food stores to find what I needed). But now tons of mainstream stores (I go to Stop n Shop) have entire health food sections at reasonable prices, so it's much easier. Plus I'm no longer a poor college student haha.

    It's been a great lifestyle change for me, and once you get the hang of it and figure out what you enjoy eating, it's not a chore at all. I should mention, though - it's easy for me because I live alone and can stock my kitchen with only the items I want there. Living with other people or a family can make it more difficult, but it really is worth it. Another member recommended that I read The China Study, so that could also be a good book for you to check out.
  • ElegantSlenderChic
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    I recently began a Daniel Fast (no meat/ animal products/ fish/ dairy/ sugar/ sweetners/ honey/ butter/ yeast/ refined grain/ coffee/ tea/ herbal tea/ preservatives/ processed foods) for spiritual clarity. It's very challenging but I "feel" cleaner. I'm finding that I have more energy, and that I concentrate better.I'm struggling to get enough protein, and need to work on reducing my carbs.

    I've committed myself to 21 days of this particular fast but I'm thinking of making a shift towards veganism for the long term (although I will eat chocolate!)

    I haven't experienced any cravings {yet}, the only downside is that I can't decide to pick up a sandwich from the deli, I'm preparing all my food from scratch, planning every meal to specific detail and have a whole lot more dishes to wash! I'll let you know about weight loss, but right now it isn't my primary goal.

    You can do anything you put your mind to.
  • NayScheepers
    NayScheepers Posts: 13 Member
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    Thanks so much to everyone who belittled me with their picking apart my statements when I was merely trying to give some non-judgemental (look it up) advice to someone who asked for it. Not really sure where you got your god complex from, but it's also none of my business, in the same way that I VERY occasionally consume dairy or fish is none of your business. What I was merely trying to illustrate was that it can be difficult sometimes, and the occasional slip up is nothing to feel bad about. Undoing a lifetime of habits won't happen overnight. So yeah, I'm pretty much vegan. I don't need your permission, nor do I want to be part of any exclusive club.

    I gave my opinion with a kind, open heart, and all I received back was your crap. Hope you're proud of yourselves, I'm sure you're an absolute joy to everyone in your life...
  • Ophidion
    Ophidion Posts: 2,065 Member
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    Thanks so much to everyone who belittled me with their picking apart my statements when I was merely trying to give some non-judgemental (look it up) advice to someone who asked for it. Not really sure where you got your god complex from, but it's also none of my business, in the same way that I VERY occasionally consume dairy or fish is none of your business. What I was merely trying to illustrate was that it can be difficult sometimes, and the occasional slip up is nothing to feel bad about. Undoing a lifetime of habits won't happen overnight. So yeah, I'm pretty much vegan. I don't need your permission, nor do I want to be part of any exclusive club.

    I gave my opinion with a kind, open heart, and all I received back was your crap. Hope you're proud of yourselves, I'm sure you're an absolute joy to everyone in your life...
    My bad for having a sense of humor or trying to educate you about the correct definition of vegan.

    and if you must know I do believe I bring joy to those in my life...or so I am told.

    Humility and humor go a long way.

    Lighten up my dear.

    ETA: Didn't judge you, was merely trying to illustrate a point...and yes with humor.
  • dirty_dirty_eater
    dirty_dirty_eater Posts: 574 Member
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    Hi! I'm vegan, and indulge in the occasional dairy and fish. My acne has completely disappeared, my digestion is great and I wake up feeling a lot happier and lighter. I've been vegan for exactly a year now, since Dec 2012. It can be hard in the beginning, but by doing some research, pinning some yummy recipes on pinterest and even finding your own community for support (I like the Kind Life website, as well as Kris Carr's website for inspiration and recipes) it can make the transition a lot easier. I'd suggest reading Kris Carr's book, Crazy Sexy Diet, for a complete understanding though. The protein deficiency thing is a complete myth, and Kris really makes it all easy to understand. I know it can be difficult to keep an open mind when it comes to the vegan lifestyle, but it really is worth it. I initially just wanted to try it for a month (I loooooooved my steak!) purely for weight loss and yet here I am, a year later :)

    No Vegan Diet. No Vegan Powers

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  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    Thanks so much to everyone who belittled me with their picking apart my statements when I was merely trying to give some non-judgemental (look it up) advice to someone who asked for it. Not really sure where you got your god complex from, but it's also none of my business, in the same way that I VERY occasionally consume dairy or fish is none of your business. What I was merely trying to illustrate was that it can be difficult sometimes, and the occasional slip up is nothing to feel bad about. Undoing a lifetime of habits won't happen overnight. So yeah, I'm pretty much vegan. I don't need your permission, nor do I want to be part of any exclusive club.

    I gave my opinion with a kind, open heart, and all I received back was your crap. Hope you're proud of yourselves, I'm sure you're an absolute joy to everyone in your life...

    No god complex. It's just the fact. When I was toying around with the idea of vegetarianism and veganism...I researched and learned the difference.

    I've just found most people that throw around the terms just want the entitlement of giving themselves a label despite the fact that in the end, they really aren't what they claim. Even if I ate 99% of the time a vegetarian or vegan based diet, I still wouldn't call myself that. I'd say I'm an omnivore due to the fact that I still indulge in meat, diary, or/and fish.

    There is nothing wrong with eating a primarily vegan based diet. But know the difference between that and actually being a vegan.
  • nikilis
    nikilis Posts: 2,305 Member
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    Thanks so much to everyone who belittled me with their picking apart my statements when I was merely trying to give some non-judgemental (look it up) advice to someone who asked for it. Not really sure where you got your god complex from, but it's also none of my business, in the same way that I VERY occasionally consume dairy or fish is none of your business. What I was merely trying to illustrate was that it can be difficult sometimes, and the occasional slip up is nothing to feel bad about. Undoing a lifetime of habits won't happen overnight. So yeah, I'm pretty much vegan. I don't need your permission, nor do I want to be part of any exclusive club.

    I gave my opinion with a kind, open heart, and all I received back was your crap. Hope you're proud of yourselves, I'm sure you're an absolute joy to everyone in your life...

    some things are all or nothing, calling yourself a vegan is one of those things. You say its none of anyones business weather you think you are a vegan even though you eat dairy and fish, but you put it out on the public domain, so you invited comment. people corrected you because what you stated is incorrect. look it up in the dictionary, your use of the term is wrong.

    sometimes people make mistakes, thats ok, its how you deal with it. The commentary in this thread is meant in jest, its not an attack on you, but you have chosen to take it that way. I's seems that your way to deal with problems is to get angry and indignant. you would find more joy in your life if you chose to laugh at adversity. it makes mole hills out of mountains.

    ^x^