Can anyone recomend a good fat burner/dietary suppliment?

Eating well and exercise, best fat burner pill out there. And it's free.

I guess you didn't read the original post - he's already doing that.

Add Chillies to your food or slowly increase from none to moderate (hot without burning your inside out) and drink lemon juice water with 1/2-1tsp of cayennepepper to boost digestive system.

I understand that people are trying to nudge the OP in what is - for most people - the safest and most appropriate direction but a blanket statement that "they" don't work is a little disingenuous. I don't think it is useful to propagate misinformation even if the direct effect here is positive.

Not that I am telling anyone what they should or shouldn't believe but this isn't a binary question. There are various things that have been shown to "work" in some sense and they have different levels of risk associated with them.

I am far from an expert, and am as likely to be wrong as anyone else I just think it is better that we promote open dialogue about these things.

Well, I hear there are thermogenic fat burners, regular fat burners and so forth.

No, there aren't.

yes there are. Oil lamps are very good fat burners. It's probably not a terribly good idea to apply that principle to the human body though. On the other hand, if you rub it a genie might come out and grant you three wishes, one of which could be to get lean.

You want me to set my fat on fire and then rub one out?

:noway:

So, if I eat attractive ladies who lift, I'll lose weight at a faster rate.

Good to know.

More info on the ECA stack;

One of the studies:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8384187

Summary of the double blind study:
Study conducted in 34 morbidly obese persons (BMI average 37) with 75-150mg ephedrine, 150mg caffeine, and 330mg aspirin.

2.2kg was lost over 8 weeks without any dietary restriction versus 0.7kg in placebo.

5 subjects on ECA continued for 5 months without caloric restriction (optional) and lost an additional 5.2kg, the 6th subject imposed caloric restriction and lost 66kg over a period of 13 months.

No adverse effects noted.

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Geee, 68% more weight loss vs placebo WITHOUT CALORIE RESTRICTION is pretty impressive if you ask me.

It is worth noting that that other studies have found a statistically relevant increase in the prevalence of negative side effects, especially when taking ECA rather than EC. If I recall correctly a lot of this was thought to be mitigated by a gradual take-up, and that most observed side effects were transitory.

Like I said previously though - the OP (and anyone else) should always do their own extensive research before making these choices. I am no advocate for ECA having never taken it, I just believe that people should be able to make informed choices in as much as they are able to.

More info on the ECA stack;

One of the studies:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8384187

Summary of the double blind study:
Study conducted in 34 morbidly obese persons (BMI average 37) with 75-150mg ephedrine, 150mg caffeine, and 330mg aspirin.

2.2kg was lost over 8 weeks without any dietary restriction versus 0.7kg in placebo.

5 subjects on ECA continued for 5 months without caloric restriction (optional) and lost an additional 5.2kg, the 6th subject imposed caloric restriction and lost 66kg over a period of 13 months.

No adverse effects noted.

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Geee, 68% more weight loss vs placebo WITHOUT CALORIE RESTRICTION is pretty impressive if you ask me.

It is worth noting that that other studies have found a statistically relevant increase in the prevalence of negative side effects, especially when taking ECA rather than EC. If I recall correctly a lot of this was thought to be mitigated by a gradual take-up, and that most observed side effects were transitory.

Like I said previously though - the OP (and anyone else) should always do their own extensive research before making these choices. I am no advocate for ECA having never taken it, I just believe that people should be able to make informed choices in as much as they are able to.

I think people are responding more to the subtext of the OP's question, in that he seemed to be asking about a pharmaceutical approach to losing fat. I agree with you that people should be careful about dismissing any potential ability of supplements to affect the metabolic rate.

Regarding the study above, I can't access the full study, but I wonder if they tracked the participants intake -- calories were not restricted, but the weight loss in the ECA group could be a result of appetite suppression and voluntary lower intake.

I think you are right that many people probably are doing that and plenty of people are probably sick of responding to the same questions ad nauseam. Thus dismissing one approach wholesale is easier than explaining why other approaches may on balance be better. I'm just unconvinced that this is particularly helpful to anyone.

Barkour made me chuckle - quite droll!

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Barkour made me chuckle - quite droll!

Thanks. No one ever remarks on that, I thought it was pretty funny.

Well, I hear there are thermogenic fat burners, regular fat burners and so forth. Can anyone recomend a good one? Yes i am excercising and eating better (Not nessassarly right!) i just want a boost to kill this fat. Any takers!

Drink plenty of water.

And maybe some non-sweetened green tea.