C25K - I suck at running...
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Hi all. First post on this board, but have been lurking for a while.
I know that I should be relying on inner motivation to help my push thru the C25K program, but am finding that self-talk doesn't seem to be enough.
25cent version of me - 40, married, dad - decided about 6 months ago that I'd really like to live long enough to enjoy grandchildren (way, way in the future), so have dropped about 75 lbs since early summer on a ketogenic diet, but still have another 60 or so to go.
I'm a white collar office guy, so pretty much sit on my butt in the office 10+ hours a day.
Started exercising when I started my weight loss journey, and was at the gym 3-4 times a week on the elliptical, having worked my way up to 45 min at 4 mph.
Decided about 2 months ago (for some crazy reason) that on an upcoming Disney cruise, I wanted to do the 5k fun run on our port day at their island in the Bahamas, so started the C25K program. Considering I hadn't run since junior high gym class (and have had 6 knee operations - 3 on each - in the meantime) this may have been one of the less intelligent decisions I've ever made in my life.
Started off on the treadmill in my gym, but quit after a couple of days because of the pain. I decided to go to a couple of local specialty running stores to see if my runners were the problem. 2 out of the 3 stores I went to (different chains) ended up recommending the same model of neutral runner (my current pair were stability), and that, combined with joining a 2nd gym that had a proper running track, have really helped.
So...
I've now got 6 weeks until the run, and 3 weeks and 1 day left of the C25K program. To be honest, I never thought I would make it thru a 1 minute run, let alone the two sets of 8 minute runs I did on Friday. But... now I'm facing a 20 minute run, and am freaking out. So that's issue #1.
Issue #2 is that I'm so freaking slow. My run is literally at a 4 mph pace, and my lungs are on fire going at that speed (just bought myself one of those water bottles that straps to my hand, so I can drink when they start to feel like the sahara desert). I understand (conceptually) that at this point, it's about endurance and not speed, but there are elderly people on the track who are just blowing by me... Good for them - bad for my ego.
Any sage words of advice would be very much appreciated.
I know that I should be relying on inner motivation to help my push thru the C25K program, but am finding that self-talk doesn't seem to be enough.
25cent version of me - 40, married, dad - decided about 6 months ago that I'd really like to live long enough to enjoy grandchildren (way, way in the future), so have dropped about 75 lbs since early summer on a ketogenic diet, but still have another 60 or so to go.
I'm a white collar office guy, so pretty much sit on my butt in the office 10+ hours a day.
Started exercising when I started my weight loss journey, and was at the gym 3-4 times a week on the elliptical, having worked my way up to 45 min at 4 mph.
Decided about 2 months ago (for some crazy reason) that on an upcoming Disney cruise, I wanted to do the 5k fun run on our port day at their island in the Bahamas, so started the C25K program. Considering I hadn't run since junior high gym class (and have had 6 knee operations - 3 on each - in the meantime) this may have been one of the less intelligent decisions I've ever made in my life.
Started off on the treadmill in my gym, but quit after a couple of days because of the pain. I decided to go to a couple of local specialty running stores to see if my runners were the problem. 2 out of the 3 stores I went to (different chains) ended up recommending the same model of neutral runner (my current pair were stability), and that, combined with joining a 2nd gym that had a proper running track, have really helped.
So...
I've now got 6 weeks until the run, and 3 weeks and 1 day left of the C25K program. To be honest, I never thought I would make it thru a 1 minute run, let alone the two sets of 8 minute runs I did on Friday. But... now I'm facing a 20 minute run, and am freaking out. So that's issue #1.
Issue #2 is that I'm so freaking slow. My run is literally at a 4 mph pace, and my lungs are on fire going at that speed (just bought myself one of those water bottles that straps to my hand, so I can drink when they start to feel like the sahara desert). I understand (conceptually) that at this point, it's about endurance and not speed, but there are elderly people on the track who are just blowing by me... Good for them - bad for my ego.
Any sage words of advice would be very much appreciated.
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First of all, great job taking on the task of learning to run!!! I did the program back in April and had not ever run before so I totally understand how intimidating it is. Each week I just knew I would not be able to progress to the next week and each week I did. I remember when I realized that my next run was going to be 20 minutes, straight from 10 minutes to 20, that's just crazy. I knew for sure I would not be able to do it. Guess what? I did!!! And it felt amazing!!! I feel so powerful when I run, not sure why, maybe because I never thought I would be able to do it ?!
As far as going slow. I'm slow too. 8 months later and I'm still not much faster than when I started. On the treadmill I run about a 15 minute mile and outside about 13.5 minute mile. You know what, I don't care. I'm running. I'm running! Any runner will tell you that your speed doesn't matter. You are doing this for you so let those old people run past you and just keep going!!! There will be someone slower than you, I am sure of it
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Been there, understand your pain! Funnily enough it was that 20min run that changed running for me completely. Like you, the idea of it was terrible but I had made a deal with myself that if I ever quit on a session I had to re do it. I got to 15mins in and wanted to die! But there was no way I was going through those 15mins again because I quit early so I staggered through it. I finished gasping, sweating and feeling bad - for about 3 mins, until my heart had stopped beating out of my chest. Then I got a hell of a buzz - I'd done it, I'd run for 20mins! 4 months previous I was gasping walking up 1 flight of stairs! After that run I fell in love with running. I have my first 5k race tomorrow actually and am signed up for 3 10k's and a half marathon in 2014. I'll be snail pace slow I'm sure but I'm doing it for me so as long as I do my best then that's good enough.
Look at where you've come from, think of what you've achieved so far. The C25K programme has worked for you so far, so have faith in it and yourself, you can do the 20mins even if it hurts a bit doing it - short term pain for the long term gain if you like!
As for speed, you'll get quicker. I've knocked 17mins off my 5k time since August (and I'm still slow - PB is 33.59). Don't worry about who's passing you, they don't know you and the only judgement they'll pass is 'good on him for running'. And think of the people you're passing - everyone who's sat on their sofa!
Good luck with your 5k (at least your first one is warm, mine is on a mountainside in Wales, UK!) :flowerforyou:0 -
I also started c25k. I hate running. I mean HAAAAAAAAAAAATE running. I thought it was the most fiendish device of torture ever devised by the devil. But to my surprise...I ended up pushing myself harder, and looking forward to it. Its a great stress reliever (I used to roll my eyes when people said that)
I am on week 5 as well. I altered mine a bit. I went from the 8 minutes, to the 10 minutes, to 12 (my 1 mile pace). Next I will try for 15.
c25k needs to be ran a little more than 6 mph if you plan to complete 3.1 miles in 30 minutes. But its less about the distance and speed, and more about the time (endurance). Once I complete the program, I will do it all over again, increasing my speed.
Are you also strength training in addition to c25k? If not, I suggest doing so. Strong muscles will help increase your time and endurance.0 -
I've now got 6 weeks until the run, and 3 weeks and 1 day left of the C25K program
Start the C25k again but go alittle faster this time. instead of 4 mph pace do 4.5 or 5 pace0 -
I too am a slow runner, but when I did my first race, I was pleased to see that there were people running at ALL speeds - faster, slower, and everything in between. You should be proud of yourself because you are getting out there and DOING it first of all!
As a friend of mine once said when I complained about running slow - "Hey. At least you are not eating!"0 -
For the 20 minute run in Week 5....trust the program. It has gotten you this far. Trust it. You are ready for this.
As for the breathing, try and consentrate on it. Easy in, easy out. And for the water, there are running bottles that do have hand straps. I suggest bringing one with you if you think you will need it.
Another thing...never judge your running against someone else. The only compatition you should have right now is yourself.
One suggestion....make sure you do not stop runninig once you get to the end of the program! Keep going so that you maintain the level of cardio fitness you have achieved.
And as for the speed....that will come with time as you run more. One of the biggest speed boosts for beginners is more miles on your feet.0 -
Go slower. I actually just completed my first 20 minute stretch last week-- and let me tell you that was the best runner's high to date. It lasted hours. Like you I never thought I would ever run...or that I would love it. My knee gives me problems sometimes so I got an arch support and it helps. I probably need to get fitted for shoes to correct my stride too.
Slow it down. I actually set my pace to 3.5mph when doing longer stretches of time. It helps. I'd rather complete it than push myself. Completing it helps me realize that the next milestone is possible.0 -
I've now got 6 weeks until the run, and 3 weeks and 1 day left of the C25K program
Start the C25k again but go alittle faster this time. instead of 4 mph pace do 4.5 or 5 pace
No....if 4 mph is where he is at...then 4 mph is where he is at. Speed will come with time as he gets more miles on his feet. His main goal should be finishing the 3.1 miles injury free.0 -
Great job on learning to run especially after knee operations. I'm a 44 year old woman and haven't mastered the C25K program.
My sage advice is "it's a fun run". Only compete with yourself on it. I'm still at the beginning of my training for a 5k mud run which I actually want to run. That said, I've done 3 of the 5k Fun Runs. I took my time, ran what I could of it, and walked the rest. Sometimes it was a slow jog rather than a fast walk, sometimes a bit more of a run than that. Guess what, I had fun!
The runs I did were themed. I've done a "Bubble Run" (which was so fun, running through the bubble foam and it was some serious bubble foam) and a "Sprinkler Run" (also very fun but that's because it was during the Vegas Summer so wet was a fun thing) as well as Color Me Rad (which is a color run, look it up, it's a bit harder to explain). And if I was more financially stable for more of the Fun Runs, I'd have done the Ugly Sweater Run (my roommate did and they had some fun "stops" for pictures, or "obstacles" like the snow globe) and I'd do the upcoming "Blacklight Run" as well as the "Bad Prom" Run.
So again, the sage advice is have fun! If you're having a tough time running it, then walk it. Nobody is going to judge you, they're going to be having "fun" too. I found a lot of encouragement throughout the various ones I've done.0 -
Don't worry about the speed. I run a 12:00 min mile, so about 5 mph. I had to get over myself in a hurry at my first race...no one there knows what I've been through and I don't know what they have been through. If they judge me or want to laugh at how slow I am, they can suck it. I just keep running.
If you don't feel you can run the whole 20 mins, it's okay to walk. I can't run more than 2 miles straight before I really, really have to walk. I'm okay with that. Tomorrow's run is supposed to be 8 miles, and I'll walk about 1/3 of it. But still, 8 miles!! I'm proud of that, and you should be proud of 2 or 3 or 4, even if you have to walk some of it. Do what you can, and keep striving to improve.0 -
Go slow if you need to go slow. You are a white collar, desk bound, 40 year old guy with other responsibilities and 60 lbs to lose. (basically my situation too, but 30 lbs or so left to lose)
Take your due credit for being off the couch.
My first 5k (May of this year) took 43 minutes. My normal mile time was 12 mins. My c25k pace was 4.5 mph.
I do 5k's in 30 mins now. My normal mile time is 8.5 mins. And my workout pace for 3+ miles is 6.5 mph.
It all comes in time with effort. (like anything really)0 -
I also started c25k. I hate running. I mean HAAAAAAAAAAAATE running. I thought it was the most fiendish device of torture ever devised by the devil. But to my surprise...I ended up pushing myself harder, and looking forward to it. Its a great stress reliever (I used to roll my eyes when people said that)
I am on week 5 as well. I altered mine a bit. I went from the 8 minutes, to the 10 minutes, to 12 (my 1 mile pace). Next I will try for 15.
c25k needs to be ran a little more than 6 mph if you plan to complete 3.1 miles in 30 minutes. But its less about the distance and speed, and more about the time (endurance). Once I complete the program, I will do it all over again, increasing my speed.
Or you could just continue on with B210K and let the speed come naturally as you increase your miles. Mileage increases are one of the biggest speed bumps for beginner runners. I went from an 11+ minute pace to a 10 minute pace in less than a year all from continuing running and increasing my mpw.0 -
After never running more than a minute all my life...and I am forty, I did the c25k this year. I know exactly how you feel because everything you said I felt at the exact same time. My advice to you, get on the net and look up "good running form" and then when you get to that point in your run where you think you can't breathe and start to panic remember your form. Straighten up, put your chin up and calm calm. Focus on your breathing and form and you WILL get through it. When you are on the other side and you realise that you just did 20 mins and you can, you will be absolutely stoked! Breathing and form breathing and form. I completed the c25k and now I can punch out a run without even batting an eye. Running has lead to a level of fitness I have never had before. Just remember breathe and form. Chin up. Don't panic and you will feel like a BOSS!0
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Running a marathon is my ultimate, top-secret goal (you totally didn't read that!), and my mantra is that no matter how slow I am running, I'm still lapping the guy on the couch.
Well done for coming so far! You'll do fine and the main thing is to finish!
Good luck and enjoy your cruise!0 -
Congratulations on your progress so far, you're doing great! I did c25k several years ago - back before apps or even smartphones, and I struggled and had to restart many times. I had shin splints and assorted issues, but I kept coming back until I completed it (and the 10k program too). Remember, It's not necessary to run a 21 minute 5k or to run a marathon if your goal is fitness and health. Running is a secondary pursuit for me, I am a cyclist first and foremost. But it is an important secondary pursuit, one that can be done in weather in which I won't ride, plus it is so easy to just throw on some shoes and head out to grab thirty minutes of good exercise. So I would encourage you to stay with it. My pace now is pretty decent, but for me it is about fitness and health, not nailing great times. So the heck with everyone else's pace, I'm going at a pace that improves my fitness while remaining doable for me. I trail run so I'm usually alone so I'm not shamed by my pace, and at MFP I created my own generic exercise labels (trail run, road run, etc.) so I don't have to post my speed/pace. I'm in this for me, not to impress others. I say hang in there and go at your own pace. Think long term, you may surprise yourself!0
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I'm on my first week of the C25K. . . and I really appreciate this advice and encouragement, I'm a slow runner but figure if I can do it slowly and complete it, THEN I can work on going faster.
Here's my question: my shins are killing me. On fire about half way through.
Someone told me once that this is just your muscles adapting to the movement, that they aren't used to the different motion that you use in running. Has anyone else experienced this, how long does it take to go away, or should I be worried that this friend is wrong? The pain stops as soon as I'm done.0 -
Congratulations on even trying to start running. Surely speed shouldn't matter? Especially since you are so new to it. Just keep plodding and eventually you'll get faster and find it easier.0
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I'm on my first week of the C25K. . . and I really appreciate this advice and encouragement, I'm a slow runner but figure if I can do it slowly and complete it, THEN I can work on going faster.
Here's my question: my shins are killing me. On fire about half way through.
Someone told me once that this is just your muscles adapting to the movement, that they aren't used to the different motion that you use in running. Has anyone else experienced this, how long does it take to go away, or should I be worried that this friend is wrong? The pain stops as soon as I'm done.
Yeah, I had this really bad for the first 3 weeks of the program. I took an extra day off if I needed it. I would massage out my calf muscles at the end of every night right before bed, and made sure I was getting enough potassium in my diet to support my running. And I invested in compression sleeves for my calf muscles to use if I felt I needed them.
Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation. RICE...will get you through this. If you feel you need to repeat a week because of this then don't be afraid to do so.
OH! And foam rollers...rolling out the lactic acid that builds up helped a lot too.0 -
You are doing great and running is really unlike a lot of other exercises. I thought I was in great shape and exercised all the time and it was still kicking my butt every single day. My trainer gave me the best advice and that was to start slow and increase endurance and then work up to the speed.(I told him he was full of it and then admitted a month later he was right) When I began I was about 5mph and then I worked my way up to 7mph and sprint 7.5 at times when doing intervals. It felt extremely SLOOOOOOOOOW in the beginning, but things picked up fairly quickly once I dropped the all or nothing expectations. You will get there and you doing great so far!0
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Just pick an object down the road and try to run to it before the clock runs out of C25K. Road or trail running is easier IMO because there are things to look at. I count telephone poles.0
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I say pay no mind to the other people around you, this is about you, your competition is with yourself, not with the other people on the track. Stick with it, if you need to slow down a bit, there is no shame in that, none what so ever. Concentrate on you and your goals, think how good you will feel when you cross the finish line.0
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I'm on my first week of the C25K. . . and I really appreciate this advice and encouragement, I'm a slow runner but figure if I can do it slowly and complete it, THEN I can work on going faster.
Here's my question: my shins are killing me. On fire about half way through.
Someone told me once that this is just your muscles adapting to the movement, that they aren't used to the different motion that you use in running. Has anyone else experienced this, how long does it take to go away, or should I be worried that this friend is wrong? The pain stops as soon as I'm done.
I am pretty sure this is not a good sign. Its to do with the two shin bones trying to separate? Do some research- I think some kind of compression sock on the calf might help but I am not too sure anymore. And there are some stretches to help too? Hopefully someone else will give you a more helpful and detailed response. It does need to be addressed though, and not ignored.0 -
I've now got 6 weeks until the run, and 3 weeks and 1 day left of the C25K program
Start the C25k again but go alittle faster this time. instead of 4 mph pace do 4.5 or 5 pace
No....if 4 mph is where he is at...then 4 mph is where he is at. Speed will come with time as he gets more miles on his feet. His main goal should be finishing the 3.1 miles injury free.
agree.
speed comes with mileage. you cannot increase speed AND miles at the same time.
i suggest concentrating more on time endurance (miles) than speed.0 -
But... now I'm facing a 20 minute run, and am freaking out. So that's issue #1.
Running is as much a mental game as a physical one. This is probably the biggest psychological hurdle in the programme, but you're ready for it having got this far.Issue #2 is that I'm so freaking slow. My run is literally at a 4 mph pace, and my lungs are on fire going at that speed
You're still going faster than those on the sofa.
Speed will come with time. Once you finish the programme just keep knocking out the miles and you'll start to see an improvement. Once you've got a good base you can start to play with other techniques, but for now just focus on finishing.0 -
My sage advice is "it's a fun run". Only compete with yourself on it.
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So again, the sage advice is have fun! If you're having a tough time running it, then walk it. Nobody is going to judge you, they're going to be having "fun" too. I found a lot of encouragement throughout the various ones I've done.
agree.
Run for fun. just for the pleasure of knowing you can do it. that is so much an accomplishment in itself.So many people don't even try it.
So you are almost at the end of the program, it means you are good at it. so just keep going at your own pace and don't compare yourself with others (they might be runners for years.... even if they are olders.)i know i run with a running club and i see marathoners that are like 10-15 years older than me and run way faster but they have been running for over 20 years. So for me it actually gives me more a motivation that if i keep running , I will be running as fast (or farther) as they are now.0 -
I say pay no mind to the other people around you, this is about you, your competition is with yourself, not with the other people on the track. Stick with it, if you need to slow down a bit, there is no shame in that, none what so ever. Concentrate on you and your goals, think how good you will feel when you cross the finish line.
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For the 20 minute run in Week 5....trust the program. It has gotten you this far. Trust it. You are ready for this.
As for the breathing, try and consentrate on it. Easy in, easy out. And for the water, there are running bottles that do have hand straps. I suggest bringing one with you if you think you will need it.
Another thing...never judge your running against someone else. The only compatition you should have right now is yourself.
One suggestion....make sure you do not stop runninig once you get to the end of the program! Keep going so that you maintain the level of cardio fitness you have achieved.
And as for the speed....that will come with time as you run more. One of the biggest speed boosts for beginners is more miles on your feet.
^^THIS!
It's been nearly a year since I started running (Jan 2nd will be 1 year). I started with C25K. That 20 minute run scared me, too, but I did it. You will amaze yourself. I now regularly run 3, 6, or 9 miles on my runs. I've run multiple 5k's, 10k's, and one half marathon. You'll be amazed what your body can do if you keep going. Running is as much mental as physical.
As said, don't worry about your pace. You're not in competition with anyone. Pace comes with time. Be proud you're out there.0 -
Yay for other slow runners! I did a C25K program about 2 years ago with a group and just now finished day 1 of my C210K app. I'm slow but hey, I'm running. And I did do the 5K 2 years ago. So, you may not think you can, but keep going and trust your training. 0
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Don't rush it. If you aren't comfortable doing the 20 minute run, add a couple of weeks of 10 and 1.0
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