Protein Shakes and Workouts.....

gemtayls
gemtayls Posts: 42 Member
Hi Guys... just wondering if anyone can give me a bit of advice...

. I want to start adding some extra protein to my diet but the usual eggs, chicken etc. do use a lot of calories. Can anyone recommend a good protein shake that is high protein, low carbs / fat?

My plan was to give Jillian Micheals 30 day shred a go as although I go spinning a couple of times a week when i work late I don't have time for a lot of other classes so my reasoning was to do the 20 min workout before work on a morning. Therefore get up at 7, do the workout and replace breakfast with a good protein shake to get the extra protein as well as help repair my body after the workout.

Also do you all use your exercise calories? I'm a bit wary of using them as i think whats the point of replacing the calories you burned, also I have read a few times that they can over-estimate the calories in the tracker which is scary... perhaps i might eat half the calories I burn? I don't know... A little help would be grand :)

Thank you :)
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  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    :happy:

    yes, yes
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    :huh:


    Why do I have a nagging feeling in the pit of my stomach?
  • Whyareyoumad
    Whyareyoumad Posts: 268 Member
    Absolutely! Each and every time!
  • gemtayls
    gemtayls Posts: 42 Member
    Sorry I've posted my actual question now.... Novice at these forums haha... any help would be great :blushing:
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    I want to start adding some extra protein to my diet but the usual eggs, chicken etc. do use a lot of calories. Can anyone recommend a good protein shake that is high protein, low carbs / fat?


    Here's the thing - any protein shake you drink will have more Calories per gram of protein than the chicken (or other lean meat) you consume.

    4 oz of chicken (using the data from a package I have at home) will give you 110 Calories, 20 g Protein, 3 g Fat, 0 g Carbs. That's 5.5 Calories per g protein - or another way to look at it is that it's almost all protein. Any powder you use (at least the ones I'm familiar with) will have additional carbs and maybe more fat. And that's just the powder, not to mention any milk or whatever else you may put into the shake.

    If you really want just the protein, go with the chicken - or other lean meat. They really don't have as many Calories as you likely think.
  • gemtayls
    gemtayls Posts: 42 Member
    Ah OK awesome, thank you :)

    So would you say maybe to have a couple of scrambled eggs on a bit of wholemeal toast would be just as beneficial for protein intake / calories etc as replacing breaky with a shake?

    Sorry for all the questions, I want to be armed with the right info when I tackle this early morning exercise routine haha.. if I'm gonna do it I might aswell do it properly!
  • parkscs
    parkscs Posts: 1,639 Member
    I want to start adding some extra protein to my diet but the usual eggs, chicken etc. do use a lot of calories. Can anyone recommend a good protein shake that is high protein, low carbs / fat?


    Here's the thing - any protein shake you drink will have more Calories per gram of protein than the chicken (or other lean meat) you consume.

    4 oz of chicken (using the data from a package I have at home) will give you 110 Calories, 20 g Protein, 3 g Fat, 0 g Carbs. That's 5.5 Calories per g protein - or another way to look at it is that it's almost all protein. Any powder you use (at least the ones I'm familiar with) will have additional carbs and maybe more fat. And that's just the powder, not to mention any milk or whatever else you may put into the shake.

    If you really want just the protein, go with the chicken - or other lean meat. They really don't have as many Calories as you likely think.

    I definitely agree that you should try to get your protein from real sources whenever possible, but just throwing this out there - Isopure Zero Carb has 50 grams of protein in 210 calories. I definitely agree to avoid some of the richer protein shakes unless you need the extra calories or just really love the taste. The nice thing about protein shakes is they're tasty (or they can be) and easy.
  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    I definitely agree that you should try to get your protein from real sources whenever possible, but just throwing this out there - Isopure Zero Carb has 50 grams of protein in 210 calories. I definitely agree to avoid some of the richer protein shakes unless you need the extra calories or just really love the taste. The nice thing about protein shakes is they're tasty (or they can be) and easy.


    Really? Thanks for the info - I'll look into that one next time I'm in the market for some protein powder.

    Heck, I'll look into it now. :happy:
  • RyanDryFly
    RyanDryFly Posts: 92 Member
    Egg whites are good too. They have about 4.7 calories per gram of protein.
  • parkscs
    parkscs Posts: 1,639 Member
    I definitely agree that you should try to get your protein from real sources whenever possible, but just throwing this out there - Isopure Zero Carb has 50 grams of protein in 210 calories. I definitely agree to avoid some of the richer protein shakes unless you need the extra calories or just really love the taste. The nice thing about protein shakes is they're tasty (or they can be) and easy.


    Really? Thanks for the info - I'll look into that one next time I'm in the market for some protein powder.

    Heck, I'll look into it now. :happy:

    It's a bit pricy, but the lack of carbs is awesome. I prefer the mint chocolate chip and make it with some ice and Metromint spearmint water, sometimes with a bit of sugar-free chocolate syrup. That particular flavor also includes a nice shot of potassium, which I usually have to supplement otherwise. It's good stuff. Otherwise, when I don't feel like putting all the extra chemicals and artificial sweeteners in my body, I just go with the unflavored variety. :smile:
  • WhiteRabbit1313
    WhiteRabbit1313 Posts: 1,091 Member
    I want to start adding some extra protein to my diet but the usual eggs, chicken etc. do use a lot of calories. Can anyone recommend a good protein shake that is high protein, low carbs / fat?


    Here's the thing - any protein shake you drink will have more Calories per gram of protein than the chicken (or other lean meat) you consume.

    4 oz of chicken (using the data from a package I have at home) will give you 110 Calories, 20 g Protein, 3 g Fat, 0 g Carbs. That's 5.5 Calories per g protein - or another way to look at it is that it's almost all protein. Any powder you use (at least the ones I'm familiar with) will have additional carbs and maybe more fat. And that's just the powder, not to mention any milk or whatever else you may put into the shake.

    If you really want just the protein, go with the chicken - or other lean meat. They really don't have as many Calories as you likely think.

    ^^This. I've found chicken and tuna to be the lowest calorie, highest protein options before protein powders. I have 18g/scoop protein powder at 94 calories. It's unflavored and NEEDS more than milk added. So, any shake that I make is going to be 200+ calories.

    As for eggs, buy the egg whites. Most of the protein is in the whites and you can get 20g+/- of protein for 100 calories with those.
    Sure, you gotta add things to that, as well, but a wedge of Baby Bell cheese is about 35 calories, plus cooking spray and salsa/veggies. You can end up around 150-175 calories, which is pretty good, imo.
  • SaintGiff
    SaintGiff Posts: 3,679 Member
    I want to start adding some extra protein to my diet but the usual eggs, chicken etc. do use a lot of calories. Can anyone recommend a good protein shake that is high protein, low carbs / fat?


    Here's the thing - any protein shake you drink will have more Calories per gram of protein than the chicken (or other lean meat) you consume.

    4 oz of chicken (using the data from a package I have at home) will give you 110 Calories, 20 g Protein, 3 g Fat, 0 g Carbs. That's 5.5 Calories per g protein - or another way to look at it is that it's almost all protein. Any powder you use (at least the ones I'm familiar with) will have additional carbs and maybe more fat. And that's just the powder, not to mention any milk or whatever else you may put into the shake.

    If you really want just the protein, go with the chicken - or other lean meat. They really don't have as many Calories as you likely think.

    Actually, I am a huge fan of Promasil. For starters, their flavors are by far the best of any shake out there. But nutritionally, they offer 22g of protein in 100 calories. That is superior to the 20g / 110 of 4oz of chicken. And they have 0 carbs.
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    http://shouldieatmyexercisecalories.com/index2.html

    If you're using MFP as designed, you eat your exercise calories back because the caloric goal you're given for the day already has your deficit built in to meet the goal you entered.


    Yes, MFP does have a tendency to overestimate. I usually recommend starting at 50% of your exercise cals and adjust from there.
  • cathipa
    cathipa Posts: 2,991 Member
    I have a smoothie in the morning and I just add a scoop of syntha-6 whipped vanilla cream (tastes amazing). My smoothie may come to 400 cal, but after having a morning workout and knowing I'm not going to eat until at least 12 since I don't have a mid morning snack I can afford it. But I do agree if I could get in extra chicken or eggs I would, but no time in the morning for that.

    I'm also doing 30DS (highly recommend for a quick workout). I eat my BMR and my exercise calories.
  • astrampe
    astrampe Posts: 2,169 Member


    Here's the thing - any protein shake you drink will have more Calories per gram of protein than the chicken (or other lean meat) you consume.

    4 oz of chicken (using the data from a package I have at home) will give you 110 Calories, 20 g Protein, 3 g Fat, 0 g Carbs. That's 5.5 Calories per g protein - or another way to look at it is that it's almost all protein. Any powder you use (at least the ones I'm familiar with) will have additional carbs and maybe more fat. And that's just the powder, not to mention any milk or whatever else you may put into the shake.

    If you really want just the protein, go with the chicken - or other lean meat. They really don't have as many Calories as you likely think.
    [/quote]

    Actually no - there are protein shakes out there with less or the same calories and MORE protein than what you can get fom meat...
    Premier Protein (Costco at around $1.50 (CND) per325ml shake - 160 calories, 30g protein. 3g fat, 3g fibre and 5g of carbs.....You can't get much better....I prefer that and oatmeal for breakfast to a big piece of chicken or steak (that wil have more fat and calories)....
  • GenoPrice
    GenoPrice Posts: 477 Member
    ON Gold Standard Whey protein powder has only 111 calories, 1g fat and 2g carbs per scoop which gives you 29g of protein. I have the vanilla icecream flavour with instant coffee as a recovery drink before work.
  • 100% gold standard whey protein whatever flavor...I enjoy this with 1 cup ( 8 0z.) of skim milk. 1 scoop of protein powder and shake :)

    I enjoy strawberry flavor.
  • creativerick
    creativerick Posts: 270 Member
    If you want protein to calorie ratio - and don't want to eat tuna, chicken, turkey, pork, super lean beef, etc.

    100% Whey Isolate is probably your best bet. Any brand should work. I currently use ISO 100 by Dymatize. 25g protein per 110 calories. Tastes great, mixes really well (no chunks ever), and is less than $1 per serving.
  • born2drum
    born2drum Posts: 731 Member
    Get Optimum Nutrition GOld Standard Whey Protein. Best Calorie to carb to protein ratio and inexpensive. Can't bea that.
  • daweez04
    daweez04 Posts: 35 Member
    Another one for Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard. Get it on Amazon with Prime. Double Chocolate it great with just water, for a post W/O boost. Also use it in the morning as part of my shake ( usually add banana, Greek yogurt, flax and peanut butter). Very versatile stuff.
  • creativerick
    creativerick Posts: 270 Member
    Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey Protein is good stuff, but it isn't the best.

    A lot of proteins have better flavor and whey isolates have a better protein to calorie ratio. I remember when it was all I could afford, but there really is a lot more and better proteins out there.
  • gemtayls
    gemtayls Posts: 42 Member
    Thanks everybody, that's a great help! :)
  • carolemack
    carolemack Posts: 1,276 Member
    I want to start adding some extra protein to my diet but the usual eggs, chicken etc. do use a lot of calories. Can anyone recommend a good protein shake that is high protein, low carbs / fat?


    Here's the thing - any protein shake you drink will have more Calories per gram of protein than the chicken (or other lean meat) you consume.

    4 oz of chicken (using the data from a package I have at home) will give you 110 Calories, 20 g Protein, 3 g Fat, 0 g Carbs. That's 5.5 Calories per g protein - or another way to look at it is that it's almost all protein. Any powder you use (at least the ones I'm familiar with) will have additional carbs and maybe more fat. And that's just the powder, not to mention any milk or whatever else you may put into the shake.

    If you really want just the protein, go with the chicken - or other lean meat. They really don't have as many Calories as you likely think.

    Actually, I am a huge fan of Promasil. For starters, their flavors are by far the best of any shake out there. But nutritionally, they offer 22g of protein in 100 calories. That is superior to the 20g / 110 of 4oz of chicken. And they have 0 carbs.

    Promasil has my vote too!
  • Paindoesnthurt
    Paindoesnthurt Posts: 51 Member
    Exercising is always individual and it depends how hard you push it too. For instance, a light jog, you might burn 500+ calories for the session right? But you won't burn any after. Then you have sprints which you'll burn less calories in the session but you'll continue to burn more later and up to 48 hours if done right.

    If you were training intensely and not just going through the motions and by intense I'm talking about doing stuff like burpees non stop for 10 minutes followed by similar brutal-ness for another 20, then those calories will actually nourish your muscles.

    Also understand that you have to be aware on the source of calories too. If you have too many starches for your calories you'll more than likely store them as fat if you aren't active the other days (remember, carbohydrates are either used for daily activity or they are stored after your muscle glycogen is replenished). The reason I mention starches is because starches have many chains of sugar (polysaccharides) and are perfect for atheletes and weight gain so you want to avoid them.

    Last thing...Screw protein powder if you get it at the health stores. Waste of money and it's loaded with bad ingredients! If you want whey protein powder either concentrate or isolate get it at an organic health store and make sure that the ONLY ingredient is whey protein (should say 100% whey).

    There's a lot to talk about when it comes to calories and foods and one can write a book about it (I'm currently doing so) but I hope this helps anyway :)
  • Fit_Natasha
    Fit_Natasha Posts: 83 Member
    Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I've been looking to add some protein in my diet to. However, still concerned about the side effects of the protein powders. How do you offset it? Are you all heavy lifters? If I don't lift heavy (I do some strength exercises, but with light weight), should I even consider the protein powder?

    This is what concerns me:

    "Consuming high levels of protein in the form of protein powders or even from food alone can be detrimental for our health.

    Fat gain

    Adding extra protein to the diet in the form of protein powder adds extra calories. As excess protein cannot be stored in its original form in the body, if you are not burning these calories by doing a sufficient amount of physical activity, or doing enough weight bearing activities to build more muscle, these extra calories are likely to be converted to fat. (See also: How to burn more fat while exercising)

    An increase in protein intake as well as calories without an increase in physical activity levels is likely to result in an equal gain in both fat and muscle, which may not be exactly what you are looking for when you supplement protein powder.

    Bone loss

    High levels of protein intake generates a large amount of acid in the body due to the excess sulphates and phosphates that are introduced. The kidneys then try to restore the balance of acid by excreting more acid, at the same time the skeleton releases calcium which is also lost in the urine as a buffer.

    This results in the loss of calcium from bones which can increase the risk of osteoporosis if it occurs over a longer time frame, particularly in high risk groups such as women. There is a possibility however, that a diet which is high in alkaline fruit and vegetables in addition to protein may help to counteract this effect.

    Kidney damage

    High protein diets can put increased strain on the kidneys due to the need to excess waste products called ketones that are generated with such a diet and the need to excrete these products. For people with reduced kidney function this stress can worsen the condition and may even contribute to reduced function in people with healthy kidneys if followed for a long period of time.

    Dehydration

    A high protein intake, particularly if you are not eating enough carbohydrates, can push the body into ketosis, a state in which there is a build-up of toxic ketones in the body. Your kidneys then go into overdrive trying to eliminate these substances and in the process a lot of water is lost as urine. This increases the risk of dehydration, particularly if you are also losing a lot of fluid through sweat during exercise.

    This dehydration not only puts stress on the kidneys, but can also affect the function of the heart in extreme cases. Other undesirable side effects could include dizziness, lethargy and bad breath."
  • allana1111
    allana1111 Posts: 390 Member
    I only started getting serious about being healthy/working out this past summer, started at 139 and once I dropped down to 132 I seemed to have hit a plateau. I started doing more vigorous cardio, and just eating 2 eggs for breakfast every morning (I have a mainly desk job, which sucks for my body) and replacing my lunch with a protein shake, and my plateau ended and I've recently lost another 7 pounds.

    I also have tried the Lean Shakes you can get from GNC as a meal replacement for lunch, they fill you up and once you have a few they start tasting better.

    Now I've started weight training and want to get definition in my legs and arms.. I've been bench pressing and squats as well as some other machines, and of course my cardio.. any other suggestions. Now at 125.
  • creativerick
    creativerick Posts: 270 Member
    "Consuming high levels of protein in the form of protein powders or even from food alone can be detrimental for our health.

    I'll address each of your concerns.

    Consuming high levels of protein in the form of protein powders or even from food alone can be detrimental for our health.
    -This statement is a may statement without research to back it up. What's high levels? Generic scare tactic.

    Bone Loss - If you get your RDA of calcium you will be fine.

    Fat Gain - This is based on calorie intake and exercises performed. A surplus of calories leads to weight gain. You're tracking your calories on MFP, so you don't need to worry about this(assuming you follow a good diet.)

    Kidney Damage - if you don't have kidney problems, this doesn't apply to you.

    Dehydration - Doesn't matter if you eat protein, fat or carbs, you need to drink water.

    I suggest not googling about protein. Just find scholarly resources on protein and nutrition and read them.
  • Paindoesnthurt
    Paindoesnthurt Posts: 51 Member
    Creativerick spot on. I would suggest if you were to take protein powders to take them without any other ingredients. go to an organic shop and find one that is 100% whey protein. no other stuff in it. You'd be surprised if you go to a normal store and see what's in it. Soy, maltodextrin etc.
  • Fit_Natasha
    Fit_Natasha Posts: 83 Member
    Creativerick spot on. I would suggest if you were to take protein powders to take them without any other ingredients. go to an organic shop and find one that is 100% whey protein. no other stuff in it. You'd be surprised if you go to a normal store and see what's in it. Soy, maltodextrin etc.

    Would the homemade then be a better option? We (well, my made) makes homemade cottage cheese from the organic yogurt once a week, and it is my understanding that the liquid that drained out is a whey protein. Is that right? Would it be better to drink that one?
  • palmirana
    palmirana Posts: 34 Member
    Fat gain

    Adding extra protein to the diet in the form of protein powder adds extra calories. As excess protein cannot be stored in its original form in the body, if you are not burning these calories by doing a sufficient amount of physical activity, or doing enough weight bearing activities to build more muscle, these extra calories are likely to be converted to fat. (See also: How to burn more fat while exercising)

    An increase in protein intake as well as calories without an increase in physical activity levels is likely to result in an equal gain in both fat and muscle, which may not be exactly what you are looking for when you supplement protein powder.

    >>>> If you are staying within your calorie limits (see your own MFP diary), you'll be fine!

    Bone loss

    High levels of protein intake generates a large amount of acid in the body due to the excess sulphates and phosphates that are introduced. The kidneys then try to restore the balance of acid by excreting more acid, at the same time the skeleton releases calcium which is also lost in the urine as a buffer.

    This results in the loss of calcium from bones which can increase the risk of osteoporosis if it occurs over a longer time frame, particularly in high risk groups such as women. There is a possibility however, that a diet which is high in alkaline fruit and vegetables in addition to protein may help to counteract this effect.

    >>>>alkaline/acid quackery, seriously? [edited to add: most fruits are(extremely) acidic in their pH anyway, so it makes no sense].

    Kidney damage

    High protein diets can put increased strain on the kidneys due to the need to excess waste products called ketones that are generated with such a diet and the need to excrete these products. For people with reduced kidney function this stress can worsen the condition and may even contribute to reduced function in people with healthy kidneys if followed for a long period of time.

    >>>>Academic studies have shown that people can consume 400 grams of protein a day for long periods of time, without it doing any harm to the kidneys.

    Dehydration

    A high protein intake, particularly if you are not eating enough carbohydrates, can push the body into ketosis, a state in which there is a build-up of toxic ketones in the body. Your kidneys then go into overdrive trying to eliminate these substances and in the process a lot of water is lost as urine. This increases the risk of dehydration, particularly if you are also losing a lot of fluid through sweat during exercise.

    This dehydration not only puts stress on the kidneys, but can also affect the function of the heart in extreme cases. Other undesirable side effects could include dizziness, lethargy and bad breath."

    >>> You should not be eating just protein. Eat complex carbs, fruit and fat. And drink a lot of water.