No Red Meat or Fried Food

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  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?


    Everyone knows fat makes you fat, duh.

















    Everyone=Idiots
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    When it comes to land animal meat, there is data to back up such a belief.
  • Did your doctor tell you WHY no red meat and no fried foods, or did he just do what all doctors do and jump on the no red meat, no fried foods bandwagon when they don't really know anything about nutrition and you're complaining of stomach pains or have high cholesterol.

    Most doctors don't know a thing about nutrition, which is kind of ironic.

    Are you allergic to either? Do you have a problem with your bowel lining that precludes you from digesting them? Why the avoidance? Is it for general health and wellness? If so, then the doctor's information is probably archaic.

    You should ask why. If it is just because he wants you to "try that" then your doctor really doesn't have a clue, and you should consider going to a gastrointerologist and maybe a nutritionist. Find out why a doctor is asking you to avoid food groups.
    Honestly, I'm having trouble seeing the justification for giving up red meat when recent studies seem to moving against the old "wisdom" that said it was bad for us.

    It definitely effects me, but I don't know why. He never said why. All I know is that as soon as I start eating it again (I started eating steak again first, before I started eating fried food again), my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly. I do need to ask why, though. I'm probably going to see a nutritionist soon, as well.
    I'm not a dietician but I'm going to go out on a limb based on 2 clues......bad breath / bad taste in mouth and the fact you don't like too many fruits & vegetables.


    Google ketosis and talk to a registered dietician. Your problem may not be red meat or fried foods it may be lack of carbs.....
    I just now saw this post. I'll definitely check that out.

    Edit: Ah, ketones. Yea, I was tested for that and it came out negative.
  • PRMinx
    PRMinx Posts: 4,585 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    When it comes to land animal meat, there is data to back up such a belief.


    The 80's were a decent time, huh?
  • PRMinx
    PRMinx Posts: 4,585 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?


    Everyone knows fat makes you fat, duh.

















    Everyone=Idiots

    Never once said that fat makes you fat. In fact, this conversation has nothing to do with being fat.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    I'm not the poster who claimed it was healthier, I was just posting the reasons that people believe it is healthier. And for people who need to avoid saturated fats for health reasons, it is healthier.
  • BeachGingerOnTheRocks
    BeachGingerOnTheRocks Posts: 3,927 Member
    Did your doctor tell you WHY no red meat and no fried foods, or did he just do what all doctors do and jump on the no red meat, no fried foods bandwagon when they don't really know anything about nutrition and you're complaining of stomach pains or have high cholesterol.

    Most doctors don't know a thing about nutrition, which is kind of ironic.

    Are you allergic to either? Do you have a problem with your bowel lining that precludes you from digesting them? Why the avoidance? Is it for general health and wellness? If so, then the doctor's information is probably archaic.

    You should ask why. If it is just because he wants you to "try that" then your doctor really doesn't have a clue, and you should consider going to a gastrointerologist and maybe a nutritionist. Find out why a doctor is asking you to avoid food groups.
    Honestly, I'm having trouble seeing the justification for giving up red meat when recent studies seem to moving against the old "wisdom" that said it was bad for us.

    It definitely effects me, but I don't know why. He never said why. All I know is that as soon as I start eating it again (I started eating steak again first, before I started eating fried food again), my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly. I do need to ask why, though. I'm probably going to see a nutritionist soon, as well.
    I'm not a dietician but I'm going to go out on a limb based on 2 clues......bad breath / bad taste in mouth and the fact you don't like too many fruits & vegetables.


    Google ketosis and talk to a registered dietician. Your problem may not be red meat or fried foods it may be lack of carbs.....
    I just now saw this post. I'll definitely check that out.

    Edit: Ah, ketones. Yea, I was tested for that and it came out negative.

    You should see a specialist. I went to a GI doc who diagnosed me when I had a bowel problem a decade or so ago, and made all the difference. You need to know more about what is going on. That will help you make the right choices. And watch the micronutrients. You need alternative sources for the nutrients you will be missing by giving up red meat.
  • PRMinx
    PRMinx Posts: 4,585 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    I'm not the poster who claimed it was healthier, I was just posting the reasons that people believe it is healthier. And for people who need to avoid saturated fats for health reasons, it is healthier.

    Thank you. That was all I was trying to say. People take things so literally on these boards.
  • So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.
    I don't really think it matters what kind of red meat it is, but I could be wrong. As I said to someone else, all I know is that as soon as I ate steak again, my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly (for the night/next day). That was just from one meal, too.

    (Also, I'm a woman, not that it really matters. lol)
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    Did your doctor tell you WHY no red meat and no fried foods, or did he just do what all doctors do and jump on the no red meat, no fried foods bandwagon when they don't really know anything about nutrition and you're complaining of stomach pains or have high cholesterol.

    Most doctors don't know a thing about nutrition, which is kind of ironic.

    Are you allergic to either? Do you have a problem with your bowel lining that precludes you from digesting them? Why the avoidance? Is it for general health and wellness? If so, then the doctor's information is probably archaic.

    You should ask why. If it is just because he wants you to "try that" then your doctor really doesn't have a clue, and you should consider going to a gastrointerologist and maybe a nutritionist. Find out why a doctor is asking you to avoid food groups.
    Honestly, I'm having trouble seeing the justification for giving up red meat when recent studies seem to moving against the old "wisdom" that said it was bad for us.

    It definitely effects me, but I don't know why. He never said why. All I know is that as soon as I start eating it again (I started eating steak again first, before I started eating fried food again), my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly. I do need to ask why, though. I'm probably going to see a nutritionist soon, as well.
    I'm not a dietician but I'm going to go out on a limb based on 2 clues......bad breath / bad taste in mouth and the fact you don't like too many fruits & vegetables.


    Google ketosis and talk to a registered dietician. Your problem may not be red meat or fried foods it may be lack of carbs.....
    I just now saw this post. I'll definitely check that out.

    Edit: Ah, ketones. Yea, I was tested for that and it came out negative.
    Personally, I'd ask for a referral to a GI. IBD can be affected by red meat and can cause diarrhea.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?


    Everyone knows fat makes you fat, duh.

















    Everyone=Idiots

    Never once said that fat makes you fat. In fact, this conversation has nothing to do with being fat.

    I didn't say you did? At best I was speculating on why one might equate less fat with being healthier, at worse I was making a joke about the 'low fat is best' train of thought. Neither of which references you.

    Had I wanted to poke fun at you I would have done so directly, I promise.
  • BeachGingerOnTheRocks
    BeachGingerOnTheRocks Posts: 3,927 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.
    I don't really think it matters what kind of red meat it is, but I could be wrong. As I said to someone else, all I know is that as soon as I ate steak again, my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly (for the night/next day). That was just from one meal, too.

    (Also, I'm a woman, not that it really matters. lol)

    Have you been tested for ulcerative colitis or Crohn's? Chron's I'm guessing yes. But colitis probably requires endoscopy.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.

    All valid points. I also conceed that your assumptions are, more than likely, correct. I just like to seek clarification, mostly for the lurkers, when broad claims of something being "way healthier" are made. Also, all things being equal, that lower fat content doesn't equate to being "healthier".
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    When it comes to land animal meat, there is data to back up such a belief.


    The 80's were a decent time, huh?

    The mullet was pretty awesome.
  • PRMinx
    PRMinx Posts: 4,585 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.
    I don't really think it matters what kind of red meat it is, but I could be wrong. As I said to someone else, all I know is that as soon as I ate steak again, my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly (for the night/next day). That was just from one meal, too.

    (Also, I'm a woman, not that it really matters. lol)

    Oops! I'm sorry.

    Thanks for clarifying about red meat. I assumed beef, but if it's all red meat than ignore my advice.
  • So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.
    I don't really think it matters what kind of red meat it is, but I could be wrong. As I said to someone else, all I know is that as soon as I ate steak again, my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly (for the night/next day). That was just from one meal, too.

    (Also, I'm a woman, not that it really matters. lol)

    Have you been tested for ulcerative colitis or Crohn's? Chron's I'm guessing yes. But colitis probably requires endoscopy.
    I don't think so. If I was, I don't remember. I went on a testing spree a few years ago for my issues, and it was just now recognized as a dietary-related issue. Maybe they didn't test for either issues.

    I'll have to ask my parents if I was tested for those. (I was only 16 or so at the time.)
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.
    I don't really think it matters what kind of red meat it is, but I could be wrong. As I said to someone else, all I know is that as soon as I ate steak again, my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly (for the night/next day). That was just from one meal, too.

    (Also, I'm a woman, not that it really matters. lol)

    Have you been tested for ulcerative colitis or Crohn's? Chron's I'm guessing yes. But colitis probably requires endoscopy.

    Crohn's testing requires a colonoscopy and biopsies, and perhaps the endoscopy and a pill cam, because it can affect both the large and small intestine, and at multiple layers of the intestinal wall. UC requires a colonoscopy because it affects only the colon, and the surface layer only.
  • So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.
    I don't really think it matters what kind of red meat it is, but I could be wrong. As I said to someone else, all I know is that as soon as I ate steak again, my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly (for the night/next day). That was just from one meal, too.

    (Also, I'm a woman, not that it really matters. lol)

    Oops! I'm sorry.

    Thanks for clarifying about red meat. I assumed beef, but if it's all red meat than ignore my advice.
    It's no problem! Thanks anyway. :)
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    I'm not the poster who claimed it was healthier, I was just posting the reasons that people believe it is healthier. And for people who need to avoid saturated fats for health reasons, it is healthier.

    Thank you. That was all I was trying to say. People take things so literally on these boards.

    :flowerforyou:
  • So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.
    I don't really think it matters what kind of red meat it is, but I could be wrong. As I said to someone else, all I know is that as soon as I ate steak again, my breath was terrible and I started going diarrhea constantly (for the night/next day). That was just from one meal, too.

    (Also, I'm a woman, not that it really matters. lol)

    Have you been tested for ulcerative colitis or Crohn's? Chron's I'm guessing yes. But colitis probably requires endoscopy.

    Crohn's testing requires a colonoscopy and biopsies, and perhaps the endoscopy and a pill cam, because it can affect both the large and small intestine, and at multiple layers of the intestinal wall. UC requires a colonoscopy because it affects only the colon, and the surface layer only.
    Okay, I definitely DO NOT remember that at all. I guess I was never tested for it, then. I'll have to look into that.
  • PRMinx
    PRMinx Posts: 4,585 Member
    So from both responses to why buffalo meat is "way healthier" I've gathered that you equate lower in fat content to being healthier?

    You seem to be gunning for a fight.

    So, Ill come right out of the gate and say you're right. Buffalo meat is red meat. I was taking liberties and assuming that by red meat the OP meant beef. Considering his current diet, I didn't think he was wading much into the game pool. You got me.

    Buffalo meat is lower in saturated fat content that beef and some other meats. It's also a great source of nutrients like B6 and Iron and is an excellent source of protein.

    Now, you're going to jump in and say beef is fine in moderation. I agree. I eat beef all the time. BUT, the OP has implied that he is eating red meat (beef I assume) daily, which is not in moderation. He has also said that his doctor told him he should not be eating red meat (again, assuming beef).

    He asked for alternatives and I gave him a good one. Buffalo meat tastes like steak. It shouldn't be a hard transition for him.

    All valid points. I also conceed that your assumptions are, more than likely, correct. I just like to seek clarification, mostly for the lurkers, when broad claims of something being "way healthier" are made. Also, all things being equal, that lower fat content doesn't equate to being "healthier".

    Agreed.

    For me what stood out, between the red meat and the fried foods, was a regular diet high in saturated fats. I am by no means opposed to fat in general.
  • Azurite27
    Azurite27 Posts: 554 Member
    If you're getting sick of regular grilled chichen, try it with marinara or spaghetti sauce, with or without noodles. Try fish. I love flavoring my fish and seafood with cajun spices for added flavor. Experiment with different spices to see that you like and to give you some variety. There's also lots of turkey alternatives for typical red meats like breakfast sausage and burgers. You could try that if you really miss your burgers. I didn't see any mention of nuts or other healthy fats in what you're currently eating. That would be another way to add some variety. If you don't like lots of fruits and veggies, just try everything once to see what you do and don't like. Don't be afraid to add in some carbs like wheat and rice.
  • If you're getting sick of regular grilled chichen, try it with marinara or spaghetti sauce, with or without noodles. Try fish. I love flavoring my fish and seafood with cajun spices for added flavor. Experiment with different spices to see that you like and to give you some variety. There's also lots of turkey alternatives for typical red meats like breakfast sausage and burgers. You could try that if you really miss your burgers. I didn't see any mention of nuts or other healthy fats in what you're currently eating. That would be another way to add some variety. If you don't like lots of fruits and veggies, just try everything once to see what you do and don't like. Don't be afraid to add in some carbs like wheat and rice.
    I recently discovered turkey burgers and I love them! I'm not worried about gaining weight if that's what you mean by "Don't be afraid to add in some carbs." I'm 5'2'' and 99 lbs so I can afford to gain some weight, haha.

    After looking into Chron's and such, it doesn't seem like I have it. Diarrhea is the only symptom that matches up. I experience fatigue, as well, but I don't think it's because of a medical issue. I think that's because of my diet (junk food) plus the fact that I don't get enough exercise.
  • krawhitham
    krawhitham Posts: 831 Member
    My dad can't eat red meat or fried food for health reasons either. I don't consider this deprivation. Plenty of people live their entire lives without touching red meat or fried foods once! He also had been feeling foggy-minded and had diarrhea frequently and discovered he is sensitive to gluten at age 63! So, he has quite a bit of dietary restriction due to health concerns.

    Take your time walking up and down the grocery store isles and look for canned foods. Fish - do you like tuna? Beans - there are *so* many types of beans, and they're so good for you. My boyfriend loves canned oysters on crackers, if you like a salty and crunchy snack. Write a list of the fruits and veggies you DO like, do you like potatoes? They're nutritious and versatile. The internet is a huge platform for information, you can type into Google.com any variation of foods, and you will most certainly find a recipe that is easy, quick and that you'll like to eat.

    This definitely takes a bit of a lifestyle change. You have to get used to cooking. I've always cooked, but my boyfriend never did. Getting him into the pattern of thinking of foods to throw together, or look online for a recipe, is difficult and its not easy for him.

    Just think, there are millions of people all over the world that don't touch red meat or fried food - for a variety of reasons! You can absolutely change your mindset to cook other, healthy foods. Take some time in the grocery store to see the things you may not have noticed before, and take time online at places like Allrecipes.com to find things that appeal to you. You'll feel healthier and learn!
  • People keep suggesting pork as alternative to "red meat" ie beef

    Pork is red meat.

    We get our beef from a rancher, it tastes way better than what we would get from the grocery store, plus the portions are much smaller as well which helps with portion control.