Food and depression

1aliciawade
1aliciawade Posts: 8 Member
in Food and Nutrition
I'm reading a book titled Grain Brain. It discusses gluten sensitivity affecting our brain not just our stomach. I'm looking for others who have helped their depression and anxiety through diet. Tips for what works. :)

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  • Athijade
    Athijade Posts: 3,300 Member
    Well, cutting out grains didn't do a dang thing for my depression and anxiety over the years. I did have to do an elimination diet and saw no difference.

    I DO find that eating well in general helps. I can tell that my mood can be connected to what and when I eat. I also find that I feel better eating the "real" version of foods instead of the more "processed" versions (quotations due to not knowing better words to use atm). As in, butter instead of margarine, 2% milk instead of skim or almond milks, real maple syrup over whatever you would call the other stuff... things like that. Also, making my own food instead of eating out has me feeling better most likely because I know the quality of the food I am getting and exactly what is in it. I also feel better with a high fat, moderate/high protein, restricted carb/sugar (but NOT "low" carb) type of diet.

    However, that is my body. What has worked for me may not help you.

    And, to be totally honest, this last bout of depression and anxiety did not get better until I started meds. I had handled it find with diet and getting enough sleep, but my life went into a tailspin over the last year and I needed additional help in the form of counseling and medications.
  • 1aliciawade
    1aliciawade Posts: 8 Member
    Thank you for the advice! I am sorry about the tailspin in your life. I hope all is better now. :)
  • nomeejerome
    nomeejerome Posts: 2,616 Member
    Symptoms of mild or situational depression can be improved through lifestyle changes, such as better nutrition and increase in exercise. However, any book that states carbs are destroying your brain and whole grains are the cause of dementia, ADHD, and depression is a load of crap.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Symptoms of mild or situational depression can be improved through lifestyle changes, such as better nutrition and increase in exercise. However, any book that states carbs are destroying your brain and whole grains are the cause of dementia, ADHD, and depression is a load of crap.
    This. Carbs, including grains, are actually a vital component in the creation and regulation of serotonin, which regulates positive moods. This is why low carb diets are linked to depression.
  • cshouston81
    cshouston81 Posts: 26
    Exercise releases chemicals in the brain like seratonin (most antidepressants are selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors) and endorphins which can improve mood. If you have a serious chemical imbalance in your brain though, I doubt cutting gluten will make a single bit of difference.

    I do disagree with the last poster though in a way. Carbs don't destroy the brain or cause dementia, but cognitive disorders have been found to result for insulin resistance in the brain cells. This causes the cells to starve, atrophy, and die because they cannot access glucose in the bloodstream anymore. This has been documented by researchers at Johns Hopkins and they've coined the term "Type 3 Diabetes" for these issues. Eating a low carb diet and switching your metabolism into a ketogenic state will cause the cells to derive fuel from ketone bodies instead of glucose and can ease the symptoms of these disorders. So, no, carbs don't kill your brain, but cutting carbs can help nourish it for people with Alzheimer's or dementia.
  • JesterMFP
    JesterMFP Posts: 3,596 Member
    Symptoms of mild or situational depression can be improved through lifestyle changes, such as better nutrition and increase in exercise. However, any book that states carbs are destroying your brain and whole grains are the cause of dementia, ADHD, and depression is a load of crap.
    This. Carbs, including grains, are actually a vital component in the creation and regulation of serotonin, which regulates positive moods. This is why low carb diets are linked to depression.
    Yup. Lowering carbs does not help me manage depression at all. I do think that nutrition is important, and for me that means getting enough fats, carbs, enough energy in general, and not being deficient in vitamins/minerals.
  • Shonjikari
    Shonjikari Posts: 13
    Also if you have chronic major depression with a chemical imbalance, diet and exercise alone will not make it go away. It can help, yes, but diet and exercise won't make all the symptoms go away. This is especially true during bad bouts of depression when you don't even have the physical energy to get out of bed and change your clothes or brush your hair, never mind cook a healthy meal and work out!

    That said, mild and situational depression as someone else said can be helped through diet and exercise changes. But if you're going through something more serious and frequent than the average Joe, you will need to seek improvement through other means. (that's not saying don't make healthy lifestyle changes though!)
  • cshouston81
    cshouston81 Posts: 26
    Symptoms of mild or situational depression can be improved through lifestyle changes, such as better nutrition and increase in exercise. However, any book that states carbs are destroying your brain and whole grains are the cause of dementia, ADHD, and depression is a load of crap.
    This. Carbs, including grains, are actually a vital component in the creation and regulation of serotonin, which regulates positive moods. This is why low carb diets are linked to depression.

    Who linked them to depression? Is there really evidence for this? I used to suffer from depression, but I have been off medications for a year now and once I started exercising and eating a ketogenic (low carb) diet, I have felt happier than I have in a long time. I've never heard of low carbs making someone depressed.
  • JesterMFP
    JesterMFP Posts: 3,596 Member
    Also if you have chronic major depression with a chemical imbalance, diet and exercise alone will not make it go away. It can help, yes, but diet and exercise won't make all the symptoms go away. This is especially true during bad bouts of depression when you don't even have the physical energy to get out of bed and change your clothes or brush your hair, never mind cook a healthy meal and work out!

    That said, mild and situational depression as someone else said can be helped through diet and exercise changes. But if you're going through something more serious and frequent than the average Joe, you will need to seek improvement through other means. (that's not saying don't make healthy lifestyle changes though!)
    Yes, all of that too. :smile:
  • kshiraakshara
    kshiraakshara Posts: 119 Member
    Foods that are bad for depression: refined sugars, artificial sweeteners, caffeine, alcohol. I personally have never had problems with refined sugars, but my depression and anxiety go off the charts if I drink too much Coke Zero. The aspartame and caffeine hit me hard.

    Foods that are good for depression are things that are high in Vitamin C, Vitamin E, beta-carotene, or tyrosine: apricots, broccoli, cantaloupe, carrots, peaches, spinach, blueberries, broccoli, grapefruit, kiwi, oranges, potatoes, strawberries, tomatoes, nuts and seeds, pretty much any lean protein.

    Carbs help create serotonin, so it's very important to keep them in your diet. If you have issues with gluten, try tomatoes, yogurt, berries, or bananas.
  • seleniumbaby
    seleniumbaby Posts: 18
    Haha don't listen to those anti-grain people. I mean, I'm obviously biased (a baker who happens to have severe clinical depression), but there is simply not enough evidence to support such drastic claims as made by Grain Brain and similar books. There is anecdotal evidence and then there is rigorous scientific evidence. Don't eliminate food groups because of a book or a group of fringe pseudoscientists. It will not cure depression (much as I wish it would).
  • seleniumbaby
    seleniumbaby Posts: 18
    And foods that are good and bad for depression? Shut up. I mean, just shut up. If only my impeccable diet could make me happy again. I basically subsist on vegetables yet I am still overweight and depressed. </rant>
  • CorlissaEats
    CorlissaEats Posts: 493 Member
    ANY amount of gluten triggers depression and anxiety for me, usually showing up 2 days after I consume gluten by accident. Lowering my "carbs" would have no affect on either, it has to be completely out of my diet. Wheat & Gluten have a serious neurological effect on my system that includes focus, cognitive ability, vision, balance and more. I also had stomach issues that caused me to discover my gluten intolerance in the first place. It was only after trying some bread after a few weeks of being gluten free that I even noticed the correlation with mood. Cutting grains is only going to cure depression or anxiety if they are in fact the problem for you. Best I can say is try it for a few weeks and see if it makes a difference.

    EDIT: I think Gluten Ataxia might be the term you are looking for, its one way that wheat affects the brain but not the rest of the body.
  • jennahbooboo
    jennahbooboo Posts: 44
    True. I've had clinical depression since the age of about 11 and though eating better and exercising regularly does help my mood for a short period of time, it doesn't have long lasting effects.

    Cheers to the people who have cured their mental disorders through these sorts of things, though.
  • bigbyrdie
    bigbyrdie Posts: 18 Member
    Snake oil also cures depression. Don't believe everything you hear or read. All the preservatives, chemicals, and GMOs contained in mass produced food are doing more damage than grains or gluten. Depression is an illness to be treated by professionals. Don't rely on snake oil salesman to cure what ails you.
  • Doc_V
    Doc_V Posts: 20 Member
    Breads make me feel gooky and sluggish, but I don't think it has anything to do with the gluten. Gluten insensitivities are way overhyped, I think. Starchy foods in general, in excess, will make me feel like crap. That said, every once in a while I get really low on carbs and a sandwich will perk me right up. Everything in moderation. I find that really low fat and really low sugar is what makes me depressed. Glucose is the only food the brain knows how to use, so you do need at least a little bit of it.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Symptoms of mild or situational depression can be improved through lifestyle changes, such as better nutrition and increase in exercise. However, any book that states carbs are destroying your brain and whole grains are the cause of dementia, ADHD, and depression is a load of crap.
    This. Carbs, including grains, are actually a vital component in the creation and regulation of serotonin, which regulates positive moods. This is why low carb diets are linked to depression.

    Who linked them to depression? Is there really evidence for this? I used to suffer from depression, but I have been off medications for a year now and once I started exercising and eating a ketogenic (low carb) diet, I have felt happier than I have in a long time. I've never heard of low carbs making someone depressed.
    http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1108558

    Low carb was linked with higher depression, anger, hostility, confusion, and lethargy.
  • 1aliciawade
    1aliciawade Posts: 8 Member
    First-to snake oil guy- that was funny!!

    Everyone - thank you for your opinions and advice. It is confusing because one so called expert says one thing and another says the opposite. I know for sure sugar and caffeine contribute to my depression so I am eliminating those. I don't have severe depression so I want to try changes in my diet. I appreciate the feedback :)
  • 1aliciawade
    1aliciawade Posts: 8 Member
    I mean sugars such as sweets and white breads.
  • JesterMFP
    JesterMFP Posts: 3,596 Member
    There is a lot of conflicting info out there and ultimately, you have to find what works for you.
  • feliscatus84
    feliscatus84 Posts: 80 Member
    I know that when I cut out the heavy processed carbs it helped my mood a lot. But cutting out grains completely? Nah! Obviously replacing processed carbs with good healthy whole carbs like steel cut oats will be beneficial to your body as a whole. Just like replacing a cookie with a piece of fruit would be beneficial as well. I don't think you have to cut grains at all but I could see how it could help someone with depressive symptoms if they did cut processed carb food items.
  • KnM0107
    KnM0107 Posts: 355 Member
    I was diagnosed with moderate/severe depression when I was in middle school. Mine is due to a chemical imbalance in the brain and I was told at one time that medication was the only way to control it. I wasn't satisfied with that though, because all the meds I have taken have either made me feel like a zombie or the side effects were so bad they out weighed any of the positive effects. I tried low carb for a while. I had a doc at the time recommend it to help control depression. It ended up making me much worse. I was barely getting out of bed to shower.

    After that I started my own research and tried different methods to attempt to control depression. What works for me is eating a balanced diet, I eat a good amount of carbs. I eat more fruit and veggies also. I work out regularly and meditaion yoga has taught me to control my breathing in case of a panic attack. I have a counselor who specializes in cognitive behavioral therapy, which has been the most valuable tool in terms of controlling my thoughts. If I do all these things and get plenty of sleep then I co.trol without medication.

    Depression can manifest itself differently in different people, so you will have to find the best way for you.
  • Athijade
    Athijade Posts: 3,300 Member
    I know that when I cut out the heavy processed carbs it helped my mood a lot. But cutting out grains completely? Nah! Obviously replacing processed carbs with good healthy whole carbs like steel cut oats will be beneficial to your body as a whole. Just like replacing a cookie with a piece of fruit would be beneficial as well. I don't think you have to cut grains at all but I could see how it could help someone with depressive symptoms if they did cut processed carb food items.

    But sometimes a cookie is what someone wants and as long as they do it in moderation, that is okay too. I find that depriving myself actually can throw me into a spin because I get upset about not being "allowed" that cookie. Add that on top of everything else going on right now and, well, I cry and scream over a cookie. Yep, illogical and I know it is... but it is almost like I can't deal with ONE more thing and that cookie was that thing.

    Ah, the fun of depression!
  • feliscatus84
    feliscatus84 Posts: 80 Member
    Well I could see that it may be a problem for people that link their emotions with eating. But yes, I agree sometimes a cookie is all you need if it's a once in awhile thing. But I also find when I stay away from those things I don't crave them as badly. I'm just saying for the most part, processed carbs do not work well for me and if it's something the OP would like to give a try it could help. But honestly if someone is depressed they should see a professional first.
  • EmoJew
    EmoJew Posts: 94 Member
    Things that really helped me recover...

    Exercise
    0 alcohol
    90% cocoa chocolate
    Dark green vegetables
    A good multivitamin
    Extra magnesium
    Sleep

    (Counselling and meds for a while)
  • bradXdale
    bradXdale Posts: 399
    I used to try and blame my anxiety on food or the "maybe I have this disease because anxiety is a symptom and I have anxiety. My real issue was not working out and taking care of my healthy physically and mentally. I eat carbs, fats and proteins. I have lost 8 pounds and have not been down, sad or nervous since.

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