Overhead Press
darreneatschicken
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Okay, so I've been doing StrongLifts for about a month now. I've mastered every exercise except for the overhead press. Whenever I do this exercise, I don't feel like I'm doing it right. It's really hard to explain this in words, but I've had a trainer and a random guy at the gym watch me once do it. The trainer said that I was using my lower back too much, and he was right: I was feeling A LOT of stress on my lower back. So to fix this, he said to suck my stomach in and to do some shoulder dislocations. So this fixed the problem. as he told me that your lower back should not activate at all during this exercise.
Next, I have some people like Mehdi from StrongLifts say that your wrists should bend a bit during this exercise as to allow for your elbows to be able to be in front of the bar. However, I did this with very light weight, didn't really pay attention to what my wrists were doing, and just focused on not splaying out my elbows during the descending movement of the barbell. After I finished 5 sets, a felt a bit of discomfort in the wrists of my right hand. So I'm assuming that if I was lifting heavy, my wrists would be destroyed (the same as lifting heavy on bench press with bent wrists, a big no no). So, wrists bent or not? And if not, is it still possible to achieve 'elbows in front of the bar?'
Finally, if you look up on youtube: how to overhead press (by buffdudes), they say that you bend at your hips during this movement to avoid the bar from hitting your face. However, when I was doing overhead press the other day, I didn't need to do this and the bar didn't hit my face. So... I'm a bit confused... does this rule only apply when you're lifting heavy? And how do you bend at your hips, without activating your back?
This is the most annoying exercise to learn. I actually raged the other day, because I just can't seem to learn it. It doesn't feel right when I do it, but at the same time, it sort of does. There's just sooo much to remember and to do and my brain had an information overload. I told my mom and she said she would pay for an hour session with a personal trainer just to learn this exercise. I really want to do that, because when I go to the gym, and ask the personal trainer there, he doesn't really seem to be 'in it.' I dunno, maybe its just my perception. I dunno.
At the same time, I really want to just drop this exercise and just do standing overhead presses with dumbbells. But Mehdi says I ahve to add 5lbs each time. And when you get to higher weight dumbbells, they go from like 30 - 35 - 40. So you would have to increase weight by 10lbs each time. And that would be too much. How would you get past this problem? Would you do like 5 sets of 5 with 30 lb dumbbells two workouts in a row, and then switch to 35 lb dumbbells the third workout?
Next, I have some people like Mehdi from StrongLifts say that your wrists should bend a bit during this exercise as to allow for your elbows to be able to be in front of the bar. However, I did this with very light weight, didn't really pay attention to what my wrists were doing, and just focused on not splaying out my elbows during the descending movement of the barbell. After I finished 5 sets, a felt a bit of discomfort in the wrists of my right hand. So I'm assuming that if I was lifting heavy, my wrists would be destroyed (the same as lifting heavy on bench press with bent wrists, a big no no). So, wrists bent or not? And if not, is it still possible to achieve 'elbows in front of the bar?'
Finally, if you look up on youtube: how to overhead press (by buffdudes), they say that you bend at your hips during this movement to avoid the bar from hitting your face. However, when I was doing overhead press the other day, I didn't need to do this and the bar didn't hit my face. So... I'm a bit confused... does this rule only apply when you're lifting heavy? And how do you bend at your hips, without activating your back?
This is the most annoying exercise to learn. I actually raged the other day, because I just can't seem to learn it. It doesn't feel right when I do it, but at the same time, it sort of does. There's just sooo much to remember and to do and my brain had an information overload. I told my mom and she said she would pay for an hour session with a personal trainer just to learn this exercise. I really want to do that, because when I go to the gym, and ask the personal trainer there, he doesn't really seem to be 'in it.' I dunno, maybe its just my perception. I dunno.
At the same time, I really want to just drop this exercise and just do standing overhead presses with dumbbells. But Mehdi says I ahve to add 5lbs each time. And when you get to higher weight dumbbells, they go from like 30 - 35 - 40. So you would have to increase weight by 10lbs each time. And that would be too much. How would you get past this problem? Would you do like 5 sets of 5 with 30 lb dumbbells two workouts in a row, and then switch to 35 lb dumbbells the third workout?
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For the lower back/stability thing, just keep your glutes flexed throughout the entire movement.
Other than that you're complicating things, just press the barbell over your head.0 -
1st, I would not say anyone has mastered all the compound movements after only 1 month of doing them. It's simple an over confident stance to take. I constantly work on perfecting my form and I've been lifting for YEARS. I'm a master of nothing in fitness or exercise.
2nd, Your lower back should be activated the whole time while doing a STANDING overhead or military press.
3rd, Watch this video by Mark Rippetoe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJFjYyA40ss - Overhead press is the least technical of the compound barbell lifts...0 -
I would lighten the weight and try a few sets of seated overhead presses. Stitting will keep your lower back and hips out of the lift. Once you get the feel for just using your sholders, upper chest and traps for the lift go back to the standing press and try and make sure the muscles feel the same when firing for the lift. The main cause of poor form is the weight being to heavy.0
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Trade to a seated overhead press. Put the bench up straight in the squat rack - bar positioned slightly under shoulder level and press from there. Keep your back stuck to the bench to avoid pressure being applied in the wrong area - additionally, being seated will avoid momentum - cheat @ knees level.0
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1st, I would not say anyone has mastered all the compound movements after only 1 month of doing them. It's simple an over confident stance to take. I constantly work on perfecting my form and I've been lifting for YEARS. I'm a master of nothing in fitness or exercise.
2nd, Your lower back should be activated the whole time while doing a STANDING overhead or military press.
3rd, Watch this video by Mark Rippetoe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJFjYyA40ss - Overhead press is the least technical of the compound barbell lifts...
Agreed.
I've been lifting for almost 30 weeks and have recently deloaded to work on my form...and I am not new to lifting.
during my OHP I always feel it in my back....actually from my butt to my shoulders...0 -
I would lighten the weight and try a few sets of seated overhead presses. Sitting will keep your lower back and hips out of the lift. Once you get the feel for just using your shoulders, upper chest and traps for the lift go back to the standing press and try and make sure the muscles feel the same when firing for the lift. The main cause of poor form is the weight being to heavy.
So this guy (and random trainer at gym) is saying that your lower back shouldn't be activated. And some other guys are saying that your lower back should be activated.
So.... this is what I mean... I don't know who to listen to...
And what do you guys think about the bent / not bent wrists?0 -
You need to brace your abs and try to keep your torso stiff as you do it. You'll need to move your head back so you can press the bar in a straight line. Try and keep the standing version if you can, but if you find you need to lean back so you can use your chest as well as shoulders to press the weight then it is too heavy.0
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I’m certainly not an expert, but the folks above have good advice. I just wanted to add that my wrists can get bothered by this, too, when I’m focusing too much on having them bent properly. Instead, I try to focus on the positioning of my elbows and arms and do the press in a way that feels like my body’s natural movements. I also wholeheartedly second the “tighten your glutes throughout the movement” advice – it made a huge difference for me.
You’re doing fine, and you’ll keep getting better. Good luck!0 -
Sucking in your stomach won't do much to brace your lower back. Tighten your glutes, as tight as you can possibly squeeze and try to "twist" your feet into the ground like you would do with a squat. Now set your lower ribs over your pelvis. This should give you a strong, neutral spine.
You need to also create torque in your shoulders by "winding" your shoulders into their sockets.
The bar should balance on the centre of your palms, your elbows should be tight to your body - like in the bench press - and your elbows should not flare.
When you lock out your arms at the top of the press, your head should be forward between your arms, with your ear in line with your arms. From the side, you shouldn't be able to see your ears.
The descent should be a mirror image of the press.
You should not be bending at the hips at all. The bar should narrowly miss your face (I've even hit myself in the chin once, before... that's how close it needs to be), and immediately after it passes your head you should move it back into its neutral position.
If you're having trouble, portion out the sequence. Get the set up right, first. You should feel tight before you even unrack the bar.
Once that feels natural, move into unracking and pressing.
Cheaper than a trainer would be a copy of Starting Strength or Kelly Starrett's Becoming a Supple Leopard. Don't let the title fool you, it's probably the best book on good form there is.0 -
sucking in your stomach is the wrong cue.
that means nothing.
Grabbing your lower abs to pull the tail bone down- so you aren't pushing down and out the back.
So - you know how you when you squat- the tail bone tips back and out the back- it's almost the reverse of that. - it pulls under and forward.
Grabbing the low abs- the glutes and bracing will do that for you- but you don't want to sway forward and struggle and push through the low back. There is a difference between pushing through the low back- and having an active low back.
And this is 100% spot on1st, I would not say anyone has mastered all the compound movements after only 1 month of doing them. It's simple an over confident stance to take. I constantly work on perfecting my form and I've been lifting for YEARS. I'm a master of nothing in fitness or exercis
there is always room for technical stuff- even bar only- doesn't matter if you have a triple digit lift- going back to the bar is always good.0
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