How do I reduce my body fat without losing weight? :s

I feel I don't look like how much I weigh.... I kind of know this is probably because I didn't do any sort of strength training during my weight loss and I ate quite a little amount for around a year so I probably lost quite a bit of muscle, I could barely open doors :p whilst losing weight I didn't think my lack of muscle was a problem as I was typically thinking well muscle will just make me look big anyway and my body will look better the more weight I lose. wrong. I've never ever been properly slim in my life , this is the first time but I'm what you would call ''skinny fat'' right now, as in I can grab the fat on my body (especially around my stomach). :/ I want to be leaner.

My current stats :
5''5 120lbs around 24% body fat according to online calculators...
I want to be around 20% body fat

I started eating at maintenance about 3 weeks ago because I realised that I can't keep lowering my weight goals in hope of a miracle but the confusion I have is that some people say that you can only lose fat by being in a calorie deficit but wouldn't that cause me to lose weight as well... I want to maintain my weight + lose fat =.=
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  • Cortelli
    Cortelli Posts: 1,369 Member
    BF% will go down when you lose fat, gain lean body mass (muscle, effectively), or both. Doesn't sound like a good plan to keep losing for you; the way I see it, you can do one of two things: (1) eat at / slightly above maintenance and lift pretty heavy (as heavy as you can manage and still do between say 5 and 12 reps before failure) on an established program; or (2) eat at a significant surplus (500 cals per day) and do the same thing.

    With the former, you will slowly, slowly, slowly add some muscle and perhaps lose a bit of fat along the way (did I emphasize slowly?). With the latter you will hopefully add muscle mass more quickly - but you'll add fat, too. So after many months (seen min of 3 and better longer bulks recommended arounf here) of adding muscle (and fat), you'll have to diet again in an effort to lose the fat but keep all or most of the muscle this time around (by continuing lifting during your diet).

    The former is often referred to around here as body recomposition; the latter as bulking (followed by a "cut" cycle of dieting). Many folks here do a series of bulk / cut cycles to try and add lean muscle more quickly than the recomp approach seems to offer - i.e., add 4 lbs of muscle and 4 pounds of fat, then lose 4 pounds of fat and 1 pound of muscle. And do it again. And again. At the end of the three cycles (which might take quite some time - more than a year potentially) you've not changed your overall fat weight, but you've added 9 pounds of lean mass. Or you've added some lean mass and dropped a few pounds of fat along the way.

    I have seen a book titled New Rules of Lifting for Women (NROLFW) recommended around here often enough that my wife is going to give it a go beginning in the next week or two, but I have no direct experience with it yet.

    Good luck!
  • Makoce
    Makoce Posts: 938 Member
    In for the replies...Im down to 106LBS which is the lower end of my BMI because of stomach fat.
    I too thought just losing more would help .. nope.
    So Id like to hear peoples suggestions on body recomp.
  • Here is a little motivation: muscle eats fat....the more muscle u have, the more you use your muscles, the more fat it will eat. If you hate the gym like me, maybe you will like crossfit. There is always some kind of sport you can join to maintain health.....you might even find yourself enjoying it a little too much and play even more ;)
  • RaggedyPond
    RaggedyPond Posts: 1,487 Member
    in for reading later
  • kmkgurl
    kmkgurl Posts: 321 Member
    I'm also wondering this. I have been wanting to lower my body fat percentage.
  • I keep hearing about that book .... I might just have to buy it :s I've heard about bulking and cutting but I'm scared of bulking to be honest, I would hate to gain even more fat and then do it wrong and just be in the same place as now again xD hmm.....
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    eat at maintenance or 10% below, and start a good lifting routine 3x a week.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    eat at maintenance or 10% below, and start a good lifting routine 3x a week.

    ^^^ I'd start at maintenance. Ramp down if you see a scale spike that lasts more than a week. Or just throw away the scale and go for the clothes sizes and measurements and look that you want. Most people really have no idea what a good looking body weighs because we have been raised to think in terms of weight when it's the worst metric for measuring a healthy body.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    eat at maintenance or 10% below, and start a good lifting routine 3x a week.

    ^^^ I'd start at maintenance. Ramp down if you see a scale spike that lasts more than a week. Or just throw away the scale and go for the clothes sizes and measurements and look that you want. Most people really have no idea what a good looking body weighs because we have been raised to think in terms of weight when it's the worst metric for measuring a healthy body.

    indeed.

    Using a scale is good for measuring trend lines- but not so good for what's actually going on with the body.

    Take away- LIFT.
    Monitor and maintain food.
  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
    You're right that you need to start lifting. Aim to eat TDEE and maybe 100g of protein (or more; 600g is too much before you ask). It's a long slow process but you will achieve what you want.
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  • Nutmeg76
    Nutmeg76 Posts: 258 Member
    Lift heavy weights.
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    eat at maintenance or 10% below, and start a good lifting routine 3x a week.

    ^^^ I'd start at maintenance. Ramp down if you see a scale spike that lasts more than a week. Or just throw away the scale and go for the clothes sizes and measurements and look that you want. Most people really have no idea what a good looking body weighs because we have been raised to think in terms of weight when it's the worst metric for measuring a healthy body.

    Go with this
  • caseythirteen
    caseythirteen Posts: 956 Member
    I agree that a raise to maintenance and a good beginner strength program is a great next step for you. You will start to get energy back and hopefully come to love using weights. You will see some newbie gains which is a great motivator but also understand that the whole process takes time and more time. Like was said, bulk/cut cycles speed that up but IMO you will want to hold off on that until you get a handle on strength training and getting your nutrition on track.
  • ME0172
    ME0172 Posts: 200
    Don't be scared of bulking from lifting. You won't bulk like a man does. Lift.

    Read this.

    http://www.xplosivegrowth.com/2012/09/20/girls-get-your-guns-why-women-should-lift-weights/
  • ModernNerd
    ModernNerd Posts: 336 Member
    Folks here seem to have it right:) I'm working on the same thing right now, and since starting a workout routine in earnest about 5 weeks ago, I've been delighted with the results. My profile pic is just last week if that gives you an idea. Anywho, I bumped up my calories, read up on the best compound lifts, and make a sincere effort to work with the heaviest weight possible. Granted that's still pretty light but we all start somewhere! Feel free to pm if there's anything I can do to help, otherwise best of luck:)
  • Thank you all so much :)) I've done a lot of studying today on lifting for women + I'm going to try doing what some of you suggested and do a strength workout 3 times a week + continue eating at maintenance. You all look great so you must know what you're talking about !
    I honestly got a bit overwhelmed with some of the info I read today (especially with all this stuff about whey protein, I don't know if I can afford to keep buying protein powder for shakes and whatnot xD ) but I do try to get a decent amount of protein each day (usually about 80-90g) so I'm hoping I'll be ok without protein shakes but not really sure what to eat after a workout ;D
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    You don't need protein powders to get your protein in. Just make it a point to eat more protein rich foods. Eggs, dairy, meat, greek yogurt, beans, etc.

    Shoot for .8g of protein per lb of lean body mass.
  • jardimgirl
    jardimgirl Posts: 522 Member
    bump
  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
    eat at maintenance or 10% below, and start a good lifting routine 3x a week.

    ^^^ I'd start at maintenance. Ramp down if you see a scale spike that lasts more than a week. Or just throw away the scale and go for the clothes sizes and measurements and look that you want. Most people really have no idea what a good looking body weighs because we have been raised to think in terms of weight when it's the worst metric for measuring a healthy body.

    indeed.

    Using a scale is good for measuring trend lines- but not so good for what's actually going on with the body.

    Take away- LIFT.
    Monitor and maintain food.

    Agreed. Eat at maintenance and lift. That said, it is a long slow process when you don't go through bulk and cut cycles and you will eventually hit a wall. You will be much happier with your body when that wall comes though.
  • obsidianwings
    obsidianwings Posts: 1,237 Member
    You don't HAVE to use protein shakes. But its actually a pretty cheap (and easy) way of getting protein in
  • red_road
    red_road Posts: 761 Member
    This issue really motivates me to want to start working out as i lose weight so that i can hold unto what muscle i have left. I just have to get off my *kitten* now or ill be in unhappy when i get to my goal weight.
  • BeachGingerOnTheRocks
    BeachGingerOnTheRocks Posts: 3,927 Member
    eat at maintenance or 10% below, and start a good lifting routine 3x a week.

    ^^^ I'd start at maintenance. Ramp down if you see a scale spike that lasts more than a week. Or just throw away the scale and go for the clothes sizes and measurements and look that you want. Most people really have no idea what a good looking body weighs because we have been raised to think in terms of weight when it's the worst metric for measuring a healthy body.

    indeed.

    Using a scale is good for measuring trend lines- but not so good for what's actually going on with the body.

    Take away- LIFT.
    Monitor and maintain food.

    Agreed. Eat at maintenance and lift. That said, it is a long slow process when you don't go through bulk and cut cycles and you will eventually hit a wall. You will be much happier with your body when that wall comes though.

    I'm going to say this in all sincerity. If you don't see results while eating at maintenance, up your calories by 100 or so. Just a little. Work out hard. Keep a progressive load, which means small increases in your lifts (either weight or rep) every time you lift until you run out of steam.

    You may gain a few pounds, but if you do it right, you could lose fat. How do I know? That's what I did. I dropped a pants size when I started lifting, and I gained 8 or 9 pounds. That's a really nice gain for a woman in her first year of heavy lifting. I'm back down 7 of those pounds, and I have kept a good bit of that lean mass I put on.

    You can then cut if your bodyfat percent is still higher than you like. The more lean mass on your body when you start eating at a deficit again, the better.

    ETA: EAT the protein. I aimed for at least 1 gram per pound of body weight. Most days I aimed for 1.3 grams per pound of bodyweight.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    In with hopes that others will see the additional struggles from a long-term deficit without resistance training.

    OP, you've received some good advice so far, but this is going to take some time. Patience and adherence.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    you have already received good advice OP ..i would just add go into MFP custom setting and set your macro % to 40 protein/30 carbs/30 fat…look into a heavy lifting program that involves compound movements and do minimal cardio .maybe something like..

    Monday - chest/arms
    tues - abs
    wens - legs
    thurs - cardio
    friday - back and shoulders
    sat/sunday - active rest

    After you have this routine down you can go to an upper/lower type routine four days a week…
  • FromHereOnOut
    FromHereOnOut Posts: 3,237 Member

    ETA: EAT the protein. I aimed for at least 1 gram per pound of body weight. Most days I aimed for 1.3 grams per pound of bodyweight.

    May I ask: was that your protein intake while bulking or cutting or maintaining? Thanks!
  • moxiept
    moxiept Posts: 200 Member
    Bump!
  • wow! So much good info guys, thank you ! :) sometimes I find it hard to get loads of protein in , some people say a gram per lb of body weight, some say a gram per kg, someone here said gram per 0.8lbs of body weight?
    Do not fear though, I do have patience and I will stick to the things you have all suggested xD I waited a whole year to lose all the weight, just wish I had done it in a better way :)

    bulking and cutting is still a little confusing to me so I'll stick with eating maintenance and be patient :) thank you everyone!
  • FromHereOnOut
    FromHereOnOut Posts: 3,237 Member
    wow! So much good info guys, thank you ! :) sometimes I find it hard to get loads of protein in , some people say a gram per lb of body weight, some say a gram per kg, someone here said gram per 0.8lbs of body weight?

    I don't think you'll ever find a consensus on this topic, amongst forum members, amongst professional coaches, or anyone. I think that the amount of protein that the body really needs & utilizes is more closely corresponded to the amount of lean body mass than the overall body weight, but since many people don't know their LBM, there have been many attempts at a "rule of thumb" and plus it really depends on what an individual's goals are--which is why you see such a wide range of recommendations. Because there are so many different recommendations, that's why I like to see what real people (esp women) who have been successful have done.

    Sounds like you are starting down the right path. Good luck to you!
  • Phiallis
    Phiallis Posts: 21 Member
    Start lifting, and look into a protocol such as leangains.