Ketosis This is my best way of describing it

Srsly though, is there something my employee can do to stop stinking up the joint?

This is interesting to me because I am a veterinarian and if I see an animal in ketosis, they are critically ill although the ketosis I am referring to is secondary to uncontrolled diabetes. They are animals that have burned a significant amount fat for fuel since they have not been able to appropriately utilize the food they eat. 90% of the time I can diagnose them by smelling their breath.

That sounds more like diabetic ketoacidosis, which is different from nutritional ketosis. And no worries, even a lot of doctors get confused by this (which is why you'll see so many articles that say ketosis is bad). In reality, everyone goes into a state of mild ketosis from time to time, usually while they're sleeping, but also in cases where you're sick and can't hold food down (I had this happen to me, once, morning sickness is a b*tch).

Ketone production is balanced by insulin production. This is why you go into ketosis when you drop your carbs way down and keep protein moderated, and why even too much protein will push you out of ketosis. It's actually not possible for a person who can produce adequate amounts of insulin to get into a state of ketoacidosis (hence the term diabetic ketoacidosis, the only people who can enter that state are diabetics, usually only Type 1, but some Type 2 diabetics can as well), because ketones themselves will produce an insulin response when they start getting too plentiful.

ketosis means you can't drink alcohol....and that's no way to live

I've had vodka clubs and remained in ketosis. THe affect of alcohol is magnified when I'm in ketosis though, one is enough.

ketosis means you can't drink alcohol....and that's no way to live

Not necessarily. You can drink. You just need to be more aware of what you drink. Rum and Vodka are okay on keto, if mixed with something like diet coke/pepsi/rootbeer. Also, I found that keto actually lowered my alcohol tolerance, thus I can get buzzed off less drinking. So that's a plus!

So I have a question for the ketosis folks since I have ya here. Yeah, I am lazy but there is so much craze around it that it is hard to find the answer to simple questions sometimes without a whole lot of funk and fluff.

So from what I understand, in order to get into ketosis don't you have to strict low to no carb/high fat and protein diet? If so, doesn't this wreck havoc on your insulin levels? Doesn't that severely retard muscle development? The reason I am asking is I usually see crossfit people toting the ketosis diet and I can see how it would be beneficial for fat loss but confused as I believe low insulin levels really have an impact on muscle growth which is what crossfitters are really aiming to do.

Anyone care to explain what I am missing.

(and no, I am not being rude or judgmental, I am honestly curious on what I am missing)

Protein is insulinogenic....basically aminos are still shuttled to muscle regardless of carbs, plus when glucose levels drop drastically in the blood, glucagon a hormone that's released from Alpha cells in the pancreas effect liver cells to increase glucose, which also effect insulin, only to a lesser degree and glucagon also helps regulate glucose from amino acids and/or fatty acids.

No, you can't drink beer until you're so smashed you don't know what happened come the next morning, but that's no way to live.

Right back at ya.

whats he point of drinking if you aren't gonna get drunk? that's the fun of it all....

If you read the other comments, it takes less to get that far (seriously, like one). And frankly, I'll take mead, vodka, or whiskey over beer any day of the week. If you're looking to get drunk, you get more bang for your nutritional buck (and possibly monetary buck, when you account for the fact that you have to drink more by volume to get drunk with beer) with 151, anyway, so...if you're looking to get drunk, what's the point of beer, anyway?

Aside from that, getting smashed to the point that I'm no longer aware of my surroundings, thus putting myself in an extremely vulnerable position, both in terms of safety and dignity (as a bartender, you should be fully aware of how idiotic some people are when smashed, I know I've seen people do some pretty stupid stuff), isn't my idea of fun. If it's yours, though, far be it from me to stop you. As my mom once told me, you're an adult, it's your life, ruin it how you want. :ohwell:

I used to be almost no carb and experienced a lot of energy and a real bad taste in my mouth. But it just wasn't for me. My body fat percentage is very low so unless I eat high fats there is really no where left for my body to get the fat from. I don't want to sacrifice my muscles and I'm trying to grow them so... I do very limited carbs, aside from my vegetables that I snack on througout the day I only get the whole grain kind in the morning e.g., Josephs flax low carb lavash or Ezekial bread with a lot of fiber to reduce the carbs.

I did notice that without the carbs I developed an intense sweets craving which I had to battle through for a while.

I don't eat pasta, rice, any form of white bread or flour and I steer clear from most wheat products.

Overall since I introduced restricted carbs back into my diet I feel much better, even more so than I did when I had no carbs. I learned that carbs are not the enemy and depending on the workout and the time of the workout I certainly need a few to push through.

Now I stick to very low carb, moderate healthy fats and high protein. I find that my particular body / stats / activities and level of activity respond really well to that combination. I also restrict my calories for the most part and shoot for a good size deficit on a daily basis.

Sorry... I know this post wasn't really about carbs but I guess it's kind of related. Hope someone can find this useful.

Thanks!

So I have a question for the ketosis folks since I have ya here. Yeah, I am lazy but there is so much craze around it that it is hard to find the answer to simple questions sometimes without a whole lot of funk and fluff.

So from what I understand, in order to get into ketosis don't you have to strict low to no carb/high fat and protein diet? If so, doesn't this wreck havoc on your insulin levels? Doesn't that severely retard muscle development? The reason I am asking is I usually see crossfit people toting the ketosis diet and I can see how it would be beneficial for fat loss but confused as I believe low insulin levels really have an impact on muscle growth which is what crossfitters are really aiming to do.

Anyone care to explain what I am missing.

(and no, I am not being rude or judgmental, I am honestly curious on what I am missing)

I just wanted to say was that to be in ketosis you should have a low carb/moderate protein/ high fat diet. If you eat too much protein then your body will make glucose out of the protein through something called gluconeogenesis-thus spiking insulin level.

I personally wouldn't recommend it for building muscle or cross-fitters. Its best for people with sever metabolic issues and neurological disorders.

Go tell them cross-fitters to eat some sweet potatoes!!!!!