Stuck @ 220

shaman666
shaman666 Posts: 5 Member
edited September 2024 in Food and Nutrition
I've been tracking my calories pretty well every day; averaging around 1,800 calories with spikes as high as 2,200 and as low as 1,600 depending on the day. I'm careful with what I'm eating and stick mostly with low glycemic carbs (with one exception).

Thing is even with three hours of high intensity kettle bell exercises, hours of squash a week, three hours of cardio a week and my diet, I am still not losing weight after eight weeks of it. However, my body shape is different and there is new muscle growth so I know that some weight is "moving."

Questions:

a) Is it possible that MFP is way off on some of its caloric counts? If I ever guess at a meal I've had, I always guess high based on existing near-hits. So for example a blackened chicken wrap with avocado and cheese = 700 calories on its own.

b) Is it possible that the creatine I've been taking is making me hold water or otherwise gain overall weight? I sure don't like that there's 70G of sugar with the dose, but I am accounting for that and am careful when I take it.

Since I am so physically active and highly intense when I work out, I'm stumped as to why I haven't lost say 10 pounds and maintained or slightly lost muscle ... instead I seem to have stayed more or less the same and gained some.

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  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member

    b) Is it possible that the creatine I've been taking is making me hold water or otherwise gain overall weight? I sure don't like that there's 70G of sugar with the dose, but I am accounting for that and am careful when I take it.

    Yes, creatine is used to enhance performance and size, and it does this primarily with water. You may want to stop taking it until you lose your goal amount of weight. What is the reason for you taking it at this time?
  • Egger29
    Egger29 Posts: 14,741 Member

    b) Is it possible that the creatine I've been taking is making me hold water or otherwise gain overall weight? I sure don't like that there's 70G of sugar with the dose, but I am accounting for that and am careful when I take it.

    Yes, creatine is used to enhance performance and size, and it does this primarily with water. You may want to stop taking it until you lose your goal amount of weight. What is the reason for you taking it at this time?

    Creatine is used to increase energy stores in the muscle cells during high intensity training, based on the CP-ATP energy systems used in short-burst activities (Sprinting, Weight lifting etc).

    In other words, if you're supplementing with Creatine, you should be able to push out an extra 1-2 reps at a given weight and thus train harder for more gains.

    The gains associated only come if you're actually doing the work and shouldn't be connected to any water weight retention or sugar.

    I supplement with Creatine in my post workout shakes, and there is no sugar content at all, chalking in a 1 calorie/ gram (5g daily serving). I also find that I am able to increase my loads with each training session more than I have without supplementation, but that all comes down to training with max effort each time. If you're not training hard in your weight routines, you don't get any specific benefit from supplementing with it.

    I would suggest you check the source that you're using as there shouldn't be a high sugar or calorie content that goes along with it at all. 70G of sugar with the dose is 280 calories so there's definitely something wrong there with the type you're using. It shouldn't be anything more than 1 tsp of a simple power mixed in with water or a protein shake.

    It's also been proven to be less effective when taken with citrus based juices.
  • Egger29
    Egger29 Posts: 14,741 Member
    On a side note, if your body shape is changing, then you are making a difference even if it's not present on the scale.

    The typical scale only measures body Mass (which is standard based on Earth's Gravity).

    Lean mass (muscle/Bone etc) is denser and weighs more than Fat tissue so you can any change in your body compositoin will not necessarily reflect on the scale.

    think of it this way. Compare two 220lb men. ONe is 40% Body Fat (88lbs Fat) and the other is 20% body fat (44lbs Fat).

    Now think of each lb of fat as the size of a softball. Which takes up more space...88 or 44??

    The scale says the same, but the body compositoin is much healthier and leaner in the latter individual.

    Cheers,
  • Photoplex
    Photoplex Posts: 49 Member
    Step 1: Lose the excess fat

    Step 2: Once you have a blank(ish) canvas, gain muscle mass


    And "blah blah" to those that say "gaining muscle burns more fat!". Just doesn't work logically for me. A lot of the practices involved in muscle gain are counter-productive to the practices of weight loss. Do one, when happy, do the other.
  • shaman666
    shaman666 Posts: 5 Member
    I'm at about 23% bodyfat at last check. In the "fair" range of body mass, I guess.

    I'm using Creatine because I'm 42 and I want to get the most out of my exercises. As mentioned, it helps me push beyond my usual amount of energy and get a couple more reps out.

    The reason for so much sugar in the creatine is that there is a much higher takeup of the supplement when taken with vanadium, chromium and dextrose to get an insulin response which carries the creatine into the cells. Or so a number of studies have shown (and after years, they seem to be standing as true).

    I hate taking the simple sugars/carbs and will likely switch back to a less effective creatine delivery method (or more likely switch off it for six weeks to cycle when I go into a burn program for a while). However, given my overall level of activity and the limitations on my diet, I would have expected more results on the scale, which is really my quandry.

    I mean, work it out... 220lbs, high intensity exercises totalling 850-2500 calories a day, five and sometimes six days a week... and averaging about 1800 calories intake... it just seems like I should have seen more dramatic results.

    I am eating 200-350 calories per meal for five meals a day most of the time, with the exception being dinner where I am eating slightly more.
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member

    I mean, work it out... 220lbs, high intensity exercises totalling 850-2500 calories a day, five and sometimes six days a week... and averaging about 1800 calories intake... it just seems like I should have seen more dramatic results.

    If you are eating 1800 cals and burning 850-2500 it is as if you are eating far too little calories. 1800 on days you burn 2500 would put you at negative calories. You should be eating 1800 calories plus the calories you burn through exercise, MFP already puts you in a caloric deficit at 1800. if you chose 2 lbs per week you are already at a 1000 cal deficit and if you exercise it increases that deficit on days you burn 2000 cals you would be at a 3000 cal deficit (much too large over time and can cause serious side effects, not to mention plateaus)

    Please eat more, much more. I weight 145 and eat 1900 cals/day just to maintain. Let the MFP program work, give it a try for a few months and see how it works for you. This does mean on some days you may need to eat 3000-4000 cals.
  • shaman666
    shaman666 Posts: 5 Member
    So when the boys have a plate of chicken wings tonight.... join in, is what you're saying! haha....

    Oh man, according to the food and exercise plan I laid out today (that is if you trust all the calorie information) I need to eat *another* 3200 calories worth of food before I go to bed. Don't think I can do that...
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    So when the boys have a plate of chicken wings tonight.... join in, is what you're saying! haha....

    Oh man, according to the food and exercise plan I laid out today (that is if you trust all the calorie information) I need to eat *another* 3200 calories worth of food before I go to bed. Don't think I can do that...

    That is the way MFP is set up and it works. You may want to start by eating half of your exercise calories. How do you calculate calories burned? you should invest in a HRM and take that number and back out the calories you would have burned if you didn't workout during that time. Calories counters calculate total caloric burn not extra calories burned therefore your maintenance calories would be double counted just entering in what MFP, the machine or your HRM shows.

    At your size you you probably burn about 2 clas per minute at rest. so in an hour long workout you may burn 1000 calories but you would have to back out 120 (60min times 2 cals/min) and enter 880 into MFP and eat those cals. on your 2500 cal days if you workout for 2 hours you would have to back out 240 cals and eat and extra 2260 (2500-240) for a total of 4060 calories. This only works if you are calculating calories burned and consumed accurately. The other option is to eat back 50%-75% of the calories burned so if you burn 2500 cals eat and extra 1200 to 1800 for a total of 3000 to 3600 for the day.
  • shaman666
    shaman666 Posts: 5 Member
    One hour on the elliptical at level 16 and at least two hours in the squash room are going to burn me some calories! But yes I understand what you are saying and it's something I haven't been considering as closely as I should (extra vs. overall calories). Good advice! Thanks for that.
  • cjduckie
    cjduckie Posts: 78 Member
    Step 1: Lose the excess fat

    Step 2: Once you have a blank(ish) canvas, gain muscle mass


    And "blah blah" to those that say "gaining muscle burns more fat!". Just doesn't work logically for me. A lot of the practices involved in muscle gain are counter-productive to the practices of weight loss. Do one, when happy, do the other.

    Agreed! And... I like your style, haha :)
  • shaman666
    shaman666 Posts: 5 Member
    DId measurements today. In six weeks, I dropped only 2 pounds. Ugh.

    Put an inch on my legs, 1/2 inch on my arms, 1 inch on my chest, three inches off my waist.

    BMI in mid-October: 23.9%

    BMI today: 14.8%

    .... uhm

    OK, I think I'll keep doing what I'm doing. Hahaha... 20 pounds of bodyfat lost and 18 pounds of muscle to replace it seems like it's working... :D

    Honestly, I knew I looked significantly different but the numbers are inspiring to me.
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