Paleo questions
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In for legumes. And baked stuff. Can't live without that baked stuff.0
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In for legumes. And baked stuff. Can't live without that baked stuff.
Totally understand. It would certainly be a bad match for you. But, if the legumes and/or baked stuff gave you GI upset, fatigue, etc., and you eliminated them and felt so much better, you might find them not as appealing going forward. And I believe that's been the case for a lot of people that love Paleo/Primal.0 -
I'm not sure why Paleo/Primal gets so much gruff on this site, but I love it and would highly recommend it to anyone.
I will give gruff to any diet that says beans are unhealthy. It's a lie.
Right. Around here, people can laugh and joke, but they won't let a lie stand, not a lie about food or exercise.
It's not a lie. It's a difference of opinion. I think it's a little hyperbole to call beans poison, but I understand the reference. Perhaps you guys just hang out with some uneducated friends or just super zealous folks. There are plenty of people that do Paleo/Primal with a little more sanity and flexibility. Sort of like religion -- you can be orthodox or modern/flexible.
I don't care about what diet someone eats or whether they are sane or educated or what their opinion on eating beans maybe. Saying beans are unhealthy is not true.0 -
I'm not sure why Paleo/Primal gets so much gruff on this site, but I love it and would highly recommend it to anyone.
I will give gruff to any diet that says beans are unhealthy. It's a lie.
Right. Around here, people can laugh and joke, but they won't let a lie stand, not a lie about food or exercise.
It's not a lie. It's a difference of opinion. I think it's a little hyperbole to call beans poison, but I understand the reference. Perhaps you guys just hang out with some uneducated friends or just super zealous folks. There are plenty of people that do Paleo/Primal with a little more sanity and flexibility. Sort of like religion -- you can be orthodox or modern/flexible.
I don't care about what diet someone eats or whether they are sane or educated or what their opinion on eating beans maybe. Saying beans are unhealthy is not true.
Would it be okay to say beans arguably have some unhealthy aspects to them?0 -
I like beans and I don't think they're the devil...so meh0
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I'm not sure why Paleo/Primal gets so much gruff on this site, but I love it and would highly recommend it to anyone.
I will give gruff to any diet that says beans are unhealthy. It's a lie.
Right. Around here, people can laugh and joke, but they won't let a lie stand, not a lie about food or exercise.
It's not a lie. It's a difference of opinion. I think it's a little hyperbole to call beans poison, but I understand the reference. Perhaps you guys just hang out with some uneducated friends or just super zealous folks. There are plenty of people that do Paleo/Primal with a little more sanity and flexibility. Sort of like religion -- you can be orthodox or modern/flexible.
I don't care about what diet someone eats or whether they are sane or educated or what their opinion on eating beans maybe. Saying beans are unhealthy is not true.
Would it be okay to say beans arguably have some unhealthy aspects to them?
That is much more truthful.0 -
I'm not sure why Paleo/Primal gets so much gruff on this site, but I love it and would highly recommend it to anyone.
I will give gruff to any diet that says beans are unhealthy. It's a lie.
Right. Around here, people can laugh and joke, but they won't let a lie stand, not a lie about food or exercise.
It's not a lie. It's a difference of opinion. I think it's a little hyperbole to call beans poison, but I understand the reference. Perhaps you guys just hang out with some uneducated friends or just super zealous folks. There are plenty of people that do Paleo/Primal with a little more sanity and flexibility. Sort of like religion -- you can be orthodox or modern/flexible.
I don't care about what diet someone eats or whether they are sane or educated or what their opinion on eating beans maybe. Saying beans are unhealthy is not true.
Would it be okay to say beans arguably have some unhealthy aspects to them?
That is much more truthful.
I'm not sure I'd go as far to say truthful, but accurate. You can be mistaken or overstate and not be a lie.0 -
In for legumes. And baked stuff. Can't live without that baked stuff.
Totally understand. It would certainly be a bad match for you. But, if the legumes and/or baked stuff gave you GI upset, fatigue, etc., and you eliminated them and felt so much better, you might find them not as appealing going forward. And I believe that's been the case for a lot of people that love Paleo/Primal.
Hehe, to be honest, I'm just don't think I'm that kind of person. I love Frank's Red Hot Sauce on my wings, despite what it does to my...GI tract. :laugh:
And ETA: In terms of weight loss, which is what the OP's goal is, it's fair to say that "feeling much better" is pretty subjective and not tied to the scale at all.0 -
I'm not sure why Paleo/Primal gets so much gruff on this site, but I love it and would highly recommend it to anyone.
I will give gruff to any diet that says beans are unhealthy. It's a lie.
Right. Around here, people can laugh and joke, but they won't let a lie stand, not a lie about food or exercise.
It's not a lie. It's a difference of opinion. I think it's a little hyperbole to call beans poison, but I understand the reference. Perhaps you guys just hang out with some uneducated friends or just super zealous folks. There are plenty of people that do Paleo/Primal with a little more sanity and flexibility. Sort of like religion -- you can be orthodox or modern/flexible.
I don't care about what diet someone eats or whether they are sane or educated or what their opinion on eating beans maybe. Saying beans are unhealthy is not true.
Would it be okay to say beans arguably have some unhealthy aspects to them?
That is much more truthful.
I'm not sure I'd go as far to say truthful, but accurate. You can be mistaken or overstate and not be a lie.
Correct, which is why I amended to, and should have originally said, "untrue". "Lie" implies intent to deceive. Most people probably really believe all the nonsense in the books. That is, after all, what sells books.0 -
OP,
I don't necessarily agree with the whole paleo diet thing, however, I did try it out for medical reasons, and I have to say that when I did, I felt great! It was only 3 weeks, but I lost 7 pounds and felt the difference right away. But, like someone mentioned earlier, when you go back to a regular diet, the weight will come back. My problem wasn't eating too few calories, my problem was when I started eating a ton of bread and grains again, the weight came back. =/ Anywho, my diet is what some would probably call an 80/20 now. 80% "paleo" and 20% not. Basically that means I try to limit my intake of grains, processed foods, dairy, and I try to eat more protein. I already love fruit and veggies so that's never been an issue. Many doctors say to try the 80/20. Give it a go and see if you like it.
Good luck to you! 0 -
If you search on google to make your diet decisions, there is a research showing almost all foods are bad for some one. You need to figure out what works for you. I don't do Paleo but I do watch my carbs/sugars. Experiment and see what works and is sustainable long term. My cravings disappeared after I reduced the carbs and processes crap from my diet. It might work for your or may not. Stick to what works for you.0
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I'm not sure why Paleo/Primal gets so much gruff on this site, but I love it and would highly recommend it to anyone.
I will give gruff to any diet that says beans are unhealthy. It's a lie.
Right. Around here, people can laugh and joke, but they won't let a lie stand, not a lie about food or exercise.
It's not a lie. It's a difference of opinion. I think it's a little hyperbole to call beans poison, but I understand the reference. Perhaps you guys just hang out with some uneducated friends or just super zealous folks. There are plenty of people that do Paleo/Primal with a little more sanity and flexibility. Sort of like religion -- you can be orthodox or modern/flexible.
No, you have the right to an opinion, but you don't have the right make up your own facts, or to confuse your opinion with facts. :flowerforyou:0 -
I'm not sure why Paleo/Primal gets so much gruff on this site, but I love it and would highly recommend it to anyone.
I will give gruff to any diet that says beans are unhealthy. It's a lie.
Right. Around here, people can laugh and joke, but they won't let a lie stand, not a lie about food or exercise.
It's not a lie. It's a difference of opinion. I think it's a little hyperbole to call beans poison, but I understand the reference. Perhaps you guys just hang out with some uneducated friends or just super zealous folks. There are plenty of people that do Paleo/Primal with a little more sanity and flexibility. Sort of like religion -- you can be orthodox or modern/flexible.
No, you have the right to an opinion, but you don't have the right make up your own facts, or to confuse your opinion with facts. :flowerforyou:
I'm not making up facts. I simply disagree with the conclusion based on the same set of facts -- which is pretty much par for the course in any scientific endeavor where the research is in its infancy and far from conclusive as very little is universally agreed upon in the early stages.
Reasonable people can disagree (and still be considered reasonable). I just resent the implication that because I disagree with the conclusion that it is somehow invalid in and of itself or not based on facts.0 -
I have lost 30 lbs on a paleo style diet with excersize, it is still hard work, and you have to be careful not to get carried away with the foods you are allowed in moderation. I recently (for about a month) went off the diet almost completely and gained 5 lbs back, but that was because i was eating everything in sight. Its a lifestyle change for me, at least i would like it to be perminantly. I feel better eating this way. Now I'm back at it with 15 more pounds to lose. Good Luck!0
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I'm not sure why Paleo/Primal gets so much gruff on this site, but I love it and would highly recommend it to anyone.
I will give gruff to any diet that says beans are unhealthy. It's a lie.
Right. Around here, people can laugh and joke, but they won't let a lie stand, not a lie about food or exercise.
It's not a lie. It's a difference of opinion. I think it's a little hyperbole to call beans poison, but I understand the reference. Perhaps you guys just hang out with some uneducated friends or just super zealous folks. There are plenty of people that do Paleo/Primal with a little more sanity and flexibility. Sort of like religion -- you can be orthodox or modern/flexible.
No, you have the right to an opinion, but you don't have the right make up your own facts, or to confuse your opinion with facts. :flowerforyou:
I'm not making up facts. I simply disagree with the conclusion based on the same set of facts -- which is pretty much par for the course in any scientific endeavor where the research is in its infancy and far from conclusive as very little is universally agreed upon in the early stages.
Reasonable people can disagree (and still be considered reasonable). I just resent the implication that because I disagree with the conclusion that it is somehow invalid in and of itself or not based on facts.
Research on beans is not in it's infancy.
Can you provide "facts" that show beans to not be healthy. Not leptin. Beans.0 -
Research on beans is not in it's infancy.
Can you provide "facts" that show beans to not be healthy. Not leptin. Beans.
Once again, I don't think it's the beans as a whole, but the lectins in the beans and that's why they're avoided.0 -
I have lost 30 lbs on a paleo style diet with excersize, it is still hard work, and you have to be careful not to get carried away with the foods you are allowed in moderation. I recently (for about a month) went off the diet almost completely and gained 5 lbs back, but that was because i was eating everything in sight. Its a lifestyle change for me, at least i would like it to be perminantly. I feel better eating this way. Now I'm back at it with 15 more pounds to lose. Good Luck!
Agreed, all diets are lifestyle changes. All diets require sacrifice. I personally would struggle with a diet that does not control my cravings for certain foods but then restricts the amount I am able to eat. For me this concept would be totally unsustainable.
Luckily I found the primal diet (what a god send).0 -
Have you read any of the research on lectins?
Yes, I have. Whole foods are often more than sum of their parts. Many very heatlhy foods have toxins in them. That's why we have organs to deal with toxins.
Well, if that's your conclusion, I think that's a valid one. I personally fall on the other side of the equation and don't see the reason to include them given the lectin issue, especially as I think it's likely that some people have sensitivities to them like lactose, gluten, etc. To me, they both seem to be reasoned, reasonable opinions based on interpretation of some interesting facts and research. Differing conclusions are not lies.
Of course some people have issues with lactose and gluten. Some people have issues with protein, nuts, chocolate, bananas and pretty much any other food you could name. It's possible to be allergic or sensitive to any food. That seems a poor reason to cut the food out if you don't have the problem. It's a bit like selling your car because your neighbor can't drive.
Do you also cut out celery, parsnips, broccoli, brussel sprouts, spinach, cauliflower, and strawberries? All of those (plus many other fruits and vegetables) contian toxins.
I disagree. I think the diets originate, or at least now acknowledge, that there are a host of health issues out there that the proponents believe are linked to diet -- obesity probably being the largest, but also various GI tract issues, metabolism issues, thyroid issues, autoimmune issues, etc. And, some likely triggers or culprits have been identified -- gluten, lactose, casein, lectin, etc. Paleo/Primal takes a whole elimination approach and explains why they believe eliminating or reducing those things are better for overall health. Primal is more permissive and recommend bringing somethings back in if you don't have a reaction to them or eat them in moderation -- like dairy, dark chocolate, etc. Now, they may not be correct, or not correct for the reasons they believe, but there are a lot of people out there that have had a myriad of issues clear up or improve on the diets. Likely, because they do have issues with one or more of those things, but haven't been formally diagnosed or technology doesn't exist yet to diagnose them.
Now, others may not have any of these issues, so they see no difference between Paleo/Primal and another diet where the macros are the same. That's great for those people -- but those aren't the people that Paleo/Primal are likely going to help the most and it certainly doesn't negate the very valuable benefit that others experience.
It would be great if we could all just go into the doctor and have a personal, customized plan drawn up to address all these potential issues. But, that's just not realistic -- both in terms of money and current technology (though some of it may be possible). So, plenty of people are feeling sub-optimal or downright crappy and diet correction can do and has done great things for them.
Just because it doesn't help you or didn't work for you doesn't make it (1) a lie, (2) based on psuedoscience or (3) mean it won't greatly improve others' lives.
Saying beans are unhealthy is a lie. There is plenty of research showing the eating beans on a regular basis is not unhealthy. When diets are compared, the healthiest are always rich in legumes.
Beans are unhealthy for SOME people. I am one (I'm Caucasian, Northern European descent). One entire population that doesn't tolerate legumes are the Inuit, and there are others. Yet people like you, and even medical professionals (who know nothing about nutrition) keep telling them to eat them because they are "healthy" and cheap. Stomach and intestinal pain is NOT FUN. Other societies can tolerate them but they are often soaked and prepared in specific ways. Please don't make erroneous statements as if you know it all for everyone. So tiring.0 -
I liked it during all of calendar 2012 when I was strict "paleo". It's an easy way to get a lot of the micros you need and food prep wasn't awful because I would make a lot of things in bulk. It didn't do anything magic though. I was actually bulking during that year and thanks to a calorie surplus, I added the 20 pounds I wanted to. (Strangely enough, when I cut in early 2013, I was decidedly non-paleo...but thanks to a calorie deficit, I lost the weight I wanted to lose.)
Give it a try if it seems interesting/feasible...just try not to buy into the pseudoscience/cult-like arguments for (or against) it.0 -
Have you read any of the research on lectins?
Yes, I have. Whole foods are often more than sum of their parts. Many very heatlhy foods have toxins in them. That's why we have organs to deal with toxins.
Well, if that's your conclusion, I think that's a valid one. I personally fall on the other side of the equation and don't see the reason to include them given the lectin issue, especially as I think it's likely that some people have sensitivities to them like lactose, gluten, etc. To me, they both seem to be reasoned, reasonable opinions based on interpretation of some interesting facts and research. Differing conclusions are not lies.
Of course some people have issues with lactose and gluten. Some people have issues with protein, nuts, chocolate, bananas and pretty much any other food you could name. It's possible to be allergic or sensitive to any food. That seems a poor reason to cut the food out if you don't have the problem. It's a bit like selling your car because your neighbor can't drive.
Do you also cut out celery, parsnips, broccoli, brussel sprouts, spinach, cauliflower, and strawberries? All of those (plus many other fruits and vegetables) contian toxins.
I disagree. I think the diets originate, or at least now acknowledge, that there are a host of health issues out there that the proponents believe are linked to diet -- obesity probably being the largest, but also various GI tract issues, metabolism issues, thyroid issues, autoimmune issues, etc. And, some likely triggers or culprits have been identified -- gluten, lactose, casein, lectin, etc. Paleo/Primal takes a whole elimination approach and explains why they believe eliminating or reducing those things are better for overall health. Primal is more permissive and recommend bringing somethings back in if you don't have a reaction to them or eat them in moderation -- like dairy, dark chocolate, etc. Now, they may not be correct, or not correct for the reasons they believe, but there are a lot of people out there that have had a myriad of issues clear up or improve on the diets. Likely, because they do have issues with one or more of those things, but haven't been formally diagnosed or technology doesn't exist yet to diagnose them.
Now, others may not have any of these issues, so they see no difference between Paleo/Primal and another diet where the macros are the same. That's great for those people -- but those aren't the people that Paleo/Primal are likely going to help the most and it certainly doesn't negate the very valuable benefit that others experience.
It would be great if we could all just go into the doctor and have a personal, customized plan drawn up to address all these potential issues. But, that's just not realistic -- both in terms of money and current technology (though some of it may be possible). So, plenty of people are feeling sub-optimal or downright crappy and diet correction can do and has done great things for them.
Just because it doesn't help you or didn't work for you doesn't make it (1) a lie, (2) based on psuedoscience or (3) mean it won't greatly improve others' lives.
Saying beans are unhealthy is a lie. There is plenty of research showing the eating beans on a regular basis is not unhealthy. When diets are compared, the healthiest are always rich in legumes.
Beans are unhealthy for SOME people. I am one (I'm Caucasian, Northern European descent). One entire population that doesn't tolerate legumes are the Inuit, and there are others. Yet people like you, and even medical professionals (who know nothing about nutrition) keep telling them to eat them because they are "healthy" and cheap. Stomach and intestinal pain is NOT FUN. Other societies can tolerate them but they are often soaked and prepared in specific ways. Please don't make erroneous statements as if you know it all for everyone. So tiring.
That argument is silly. Every food available is unhealthy for some people. Every single one. That does not make every single food "unhealthy" from a general standpoint and is certainly no reason to give a general sweeping recommendation of "don't eat this".0 -
I'm not sure why Paleo/Primal gets so much gruff on this site, but I love it and would highly recommend it to anyone.
I will give gruff to any diet that says beans are unhealthy. It's a lie.
Right. Around here, people can laugh and joke, but they won't let a lie stand, not a lie about food or exercise.
It's not a lie. It's a difference of opinion. I think it's a little hyperbole to call beans poison, but I understand the reference. Perhaps you guys just hang out with some uneducated friends or just super zealous folks. There are plenty of people that do Paleo/Primal with a little more sanity and flexibility. Sort of like religion -- you can be orthodox or modern/flexible.
No, you have the right to an opinion, but you don't have the right make up your own facts, or to confuse your opinion with facts. :flowerforyou:
I'm not making up facts. I simply disagree with the conclusion based on the same set of facts -- which is pretty much par for the course in any scientific endeavor where the research is in its infancy and far from conclusive as very little is universally agreed upon in the early stages.
Reasonable people can disagree (and still be considered reasonable). I just resent the implication that because I disagree with the conclusion that it is somehow invalid in and of itself or not based on facts.
You are confusing your opinion with facts. :flowerforyou:0
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