Why do people gain all their weight back so often?
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Its because people think of MFP as a diet instead of a lifestyle change.0
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Without reading all of the responses. I would say it's becaus the person didn't adopt a lifestyle change and instead went on a diet. While you can gain your weight back quickly from a fad diet, you can also gain your weight back if you stopped following a reasonably portioned healthy eating regimen with exercise. You will slip backwards if you stop doing the things that better you.
Another reason may be because the person thought confidence would be found in weightloss. Increase, boost, and added confidence yes, but not the basis and foundation thereof. Thus, they still see fault, still suffer with the low self esteem troubles they had prior to, and before long, they physically returned to a place, where mentally, they never left. And before long, they don't even realized they gained the weight back because they still saw a flawed image when they looked in the mirror.
So for me, its adopting and maintaining a lifestlyle, and being confident in who I am and appreciating where I am in all phases to see the beauty in me and not slip backwards.0 -
And obviously this is reflected in the statistics that 95% of people will regain all weight lost (often more) within five years of the initial loss. I assume this percentage gets closer to 100% the longer you are monitoring people for.
More recent studies I've read suggest it's more like 80% failure in long-term weight loss, not 95% and approaching 100% over time. You aren't looking at great odds with a 1 in 5 success rate, but it's not nearly as bleak as you're making it out to be. Regardless of what the statistics indicate though, there is no hard limit on how many people can succeed and it's 100% up to you as an individual whether you succeed or fail.
Do you have any links for those figures? Would like to read these latest studies as everything I've seen does indeed paint a bleak picture. Also just to explain further - even if 20% can keep the weight off long term (defined here as longer than five years) the 80% who regain their weight are much more likely to increase beyond whatever their starting weight was (i.e. regain all they lost, plus extra). Obviously this becomes a compounding issue over the years of successive losses/gains. Also the health problems associated with weight loss and weight gain are really serious (arguably more so than being overweight and maintaining that size throughout your life).
Also I don't really think you can dichotomise health into "success" and "failure". There are varying degrees of both, and most people can only sustain a middle ground for their whole life.
ETA: I think a previous commenter is right that lower figures will include people who continually gain and lose the same 20kg, for example. So follow up monitoring might record them when they're on the losing streak and ignore that they are regaining that weight constantly.0 -
I lost and gained and now lost again about 45lbs in the past 5ish years, and for me it was a combination of a couple things. 1) I "dieted" instead of focusing on portion control, moderation, and good balanced nutrition. Not something that was sustainable for me, but I didn't know it at the time. 2) No maintenance, went right back to eating garbage and stopped exercising because I'm done now right?! Wrong. I finally educated myself, made a plan, focused on my health goals, and I am now confident that I can maintain this and enjoy the process so much more.0
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Probably because at some point they stop counting calories.
During the restrictive portion control style diet, they have still been eating the same sort of foods they would have been when they weren't counting calories.
Rather than try and change the types of food they eat, which will better control the hormones in their bodies, which in turn will control the cravings, they've just struggle through eating less of the (Moorish stuff).
When they stop the counting, they consume more calories and the weight goes back on.
I love food, I like the way it tastes and the way it makes me feel - but at the end of the day it's fuel for our bodies, pure and simple.
You can still get enjoyment out of eating a more limited range of food, but get past the emotional connection and you've cracked it.
Cracking by the way is the hard part!!!
This is me! everything he just said is me! except for the cracking the emotional connection to food. haven't done that yet. Plus the Minute I stop counting calories I wake up and I have put back on 20 pounds I just lost. We all know it comes on a whole lot faster then it comes off. I am trying now to focus on true hunger as apposed to wanting to eat something.0 -
because they view it as temporary
they feel that once the lose the weight, its mission accomplished and they can go back to what got them fat in the first place.
after many times doing this myself, i've accepted it as an on going process. hence the screen name
I agree with this to, no finish line!0 -
Because the BLERCH demands it! DUH!
This. I let my focus get distracted and the blerch won.
I am not going to make excuses, I am going to state exactly what happened to me, no value judgement, just facts. May of 2012 I was down to 145lbs. I had never in my adult life ( like since I was twelve) weighed that little. Summer I went out on a lot of first dates, ate and drank and put moderation on the back burner. I was celebrating how much differently everyone was treating me. Even knowing that 90+% of people regain their lost weight, and that my metabolism may be slower than someone who had always been small, I let caution and monitoring fall by the wayside. When I got back home to my scale I was up to 160 again. No biggie, I thought, I'll just start exercising and eating right again and it'll come back off. Then I started medical school.
Turns out, after not being in school for a bunch of years I sucked at time management. For the first six months I barely had time to bathe let alone exercise and that is no one's fault but mine. Also about that time I found a lump in my neck. My hair started falling out. I started to get weird bruises all over my body. I was cold all the time. I had to take a nap in the afternoon because I was just so mentally and physically fatigued. It was all I could do to keep my grades up.
Fast forward to November 2013. I am back up to 200lbs - still under where I started - and we finally get to learning about endocrine disorders at school. I felt like I was slapped in the face with a big old "of course you dummy" sign. I ended up getting a bunch of testing and blood work and about a month ago I finally got diagnosed with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, an auto immune disorder that attacks and destroys your thyroid gland over time. Now I am on levothyroxine replacement and am starting to grow my hair back and can actually stay awake through a 16hour day with workouts.
I am not making an excuse for my self. I relaxed my eating, decreased my activity level and increased my stress. That alone would have precipitated weight gain. The thyroid issues just make it that much harder to achieve the appropriate food/activity balance.
Never again though. This bull is bull. Stupid lazy blerch.0 -
Bumping to read later.0
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I really believe tracking every last thing that we put in our mouth. Being totally honest about it. I find if I go over one day because I just didn't care that day, but I track everything, the next morning when I look back at what I did I find myself saying "ok girl you can't do that two days in a row, you will behave today", and I do.0
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You need to make changes and try to make these changes a habit. Very few of us can do this for the long term.0
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A short-term solution applied to a lifestyle problem leads to a short-term solution and a lifestyle problem.0
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Bump for later0
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I find it's very easy to maintain (going on three years now). Not sure why people regain, except that maybe they were on restrictive diets that just weren't sustainable. Once they go back to their old habits all the weight comes back. I lost the weight really slowly on a modest deficit, while focusing on practicing healthy behaviors and I didn't starve myself, punish myself, or cut out my favorite foods (just ate less.) I've continued to log on MFP for maintenance. It's a simple habit, like brushing your teeth, and it only takes a few minutes a day. Totally worth it. I guess it comes down to priorities. Is it worth it to make the effort to keep it up? It is for me, but that's not true for everyone. Whatever it is that you do, make sure it's something you can live with doing forever...
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I've been giving this some thought - like lots of people I have lost weight and regained it and am back again trying to lose it again.
For me I think the I know the reason - in a word - AKRASIA: the state of acting against one's better judgment, I just don't know how to beat it.
It's easy to say "eat a moderate amount of good food and do a bit of exercise" but that's too simplistic, there's got to be something I'm missing that stops me just doing those things. I know that part of it is the desire for instant gratification (chocolate is here NOW, fitting into that smaller size dress is months away) but I'm sure there's so much more.
I'm hoping I can find the key to turn this off!0 -
I find it's very easy to maintain (going on three years now). Not sure why people regain, except that maybe they were on restrictive diets that just weren't sustainable. Once they go back to their old habits all the weight comes back. I lost the weight really slowly on a modest deficit, while focusing on practicing healthy behaviors and I didn't starve myself, punish myself, or cut out my favorite foods (just ate less.) I've continued to log on MFP for maintenance. It's a simple habit, like brushing your teeth, and it only takes a few minutes a day. Totally worth it. I guess it comes down to priorities. Is it worth it to make the effort to keep it up? It is for me, but that's not true for everyone. Whatever it is that you do, make sure it's something you can live with doing forever...
Edited for typo.
This. Sustainability and priorities.0 -
I'm concerned about a new MFP friend who has been pretty seriously restricting calories for about a month. Can someone point me in the direction of any MFP posts that suggest how to move from eating under 1000 calories to a more realistic intake while still achieving weight loss? Not sure it will help but not sure what else I might offer to support this MFP friend. Thank you for any helpful suggestions.0
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A close colleague of mine was a lead researcher of the best longitudinal study of weight regain. Excellent research design and control. Hundred of participants.
People lost successfully using programs like this. They did great.
After they hit their goals, they slowly went back to old habits and slowly put their weight back on. They ate more. More frequent 'cheat days'. Stopped tracking food. Habits are hard to break, people regain for all the reasons they gained in the first place, and maintaining takes more effort than not maintaining.
But only 65% regained. I hope to be in the 35%.0 -
I'm concerned about a new MFP friend who has been pretty seriously restricting calories for about a month. Can someone point me in the direction of any MFP posts that suggest how to move from eating under 1000 calories to a more realistic intake while still achieving weight loss? Not sure it will help but not sure what else I might offer to support this MFP friend. Thank you for any helpful suggestions.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1175494-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants?hl=your+guide+to+sexy+pants&page=1#posts-183621570 -
I'm concerned about a new MFP friend who has been pretty seriously restricting calories for about a month. Can someone point me in the direction of any MFP posts that suggest how to move from eating under 1000 calories to a more realistic intake while still achieving weight loss? Not sure it will help but not sure what else I might offer to support this MFP friend. Thank you for any helpful suggestions.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1175494-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants?hl=your+guide+to+sexy+pants&page=1#posts-183621570 -
I havent read this whole thread, so if someone has posted this - I apologize.
Why Is It So Easy to Regain Fat
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=415
Article by James Kreiger who is a pretty damn smart dude.0 -
The responses to this topic have been stunning in the degree of thought and introspection that have gone into them.
I feel as well armed as I can be for maintenance when I get there. It seems that the consensus falls into two main themes: One is that the process of losing causes a certain degree of misery that most people abandon as soon as they can. The other is that life changes, both happy and sad, take your focus away from eating and excercising in a manner that keeps your weight on target, and that life long focus will be required.
I have 30 pounds to go. My plan, based on all of that is to start eating now at what should be maintenance at my goal weight. The weight should come off slowly and have a soft landing...no big change in my eating when I get there, but keep logging it. Hopefully, the way I eat will have become so routine that it won't require an effort of will or even much thought to keep it that way. Also, I need to be aware of the misery index and quickly tweak things that I will not want to continue doing. For example, if I don't like artificial sweeteners or non-fat dairy, then don't use them while losing weight. Adjust my intake to allow honey and whole milk if that's what I will want long term.
For the excercise part, I plan to focus on doing a sport that I like and that I will want to keep doing. For me it's bicyling and the better my strength to weight ratio, the better I will ride the hills. It will give me incentive to keep my weight down and keep getting stronger. I already have long time riding partners that expect me to show up.
As to the life changes, that seems like the biggie. I can only hope to be mindfull of my weight, to treat the tendency to gain as like a medical condition that requires monitoring and medication in good times and bad. The responses to this topic have given some good examples of what happens even to people that have invested a great deal of time and effort in losing weight and yet lose their focus when stuff happens. I hope these stories will stay with me if stuff happens to me as well.0 -
I find it's very easy to maintain (going on three years now). Not sure why people regain, except that maybe they were on restrictive diets that just weren't sustainable. Once they go back to their old habits all the weight comes back. I lost the weight really slowly on a modest deficit, while focusing on practicing healthy behaviors and I didn't starve myself, punish myself, or cut out my favorite foods (just ate less.) I've continued to log on MFP for maintenance. It's a simple habit, like brushing your teeth, and it only takes a few minutes a day. Totally worth it. I guess it comes down to priorities. Is it worth it to make the effort to keep it up? It is for me, but that's not true for everyone. Whatever it is that you do, make sure it's something you can live with doing forever...
Every time I've lost and regained it took several years to regain. But you are right about priorities, which is why the term "lifestyle change" touted as a guarantee for not regaining bothers me so much. Odds are that your lifestyle will change again. And it is usually these lifestyle changes that change priorities.
Once a person is in the habit of controlling their weight, it's usually not that hard to continue doing it as long as other things in life are constant. It's continuing when your lifestyle changes that is the real challenge.0 -
I lost 100 pounds as a teenager (mostly as a distance runner).
Gained it all back in my 30's and 40's after I quit exercising. I started dieting and exercising again last year and have lost 90.
Point being: exercise and healthy diet is a lifelong process.0 -
because people arent getting to the root cause of why they are overweight to begin with. they treat the symptom and not the root cause. you have to treat both.0
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Because we live in a society of constant, endless overabundance and most people eventually relent to the "norm". People like to eat, and when there is constant food around to enjoy, eventually most people will relent.
Losing weight and maintaining that weight loss is a never ending journey. And most people just aren't going to commit to that kind of never ending journey in the face of never ending food.
Doesn't matter how you lost the weight.
Doesn't matter if it was fast or slow.
Doesn't matter if you call it a "diet" or a "lifestyle change".
The overwhelming majority of people will eventually fall back into the overall cultural habit of overindulgence.0 -
Speaking for myself, the skinnier I am, the hungrier I am. I can trace it back to at least my first ill-conceived spree of teenage yo-yo dieting.
Article about a study on the issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-fat-trap.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
"A full year after significant weight loss, these men and women remained in what could be described as a biologically altered state. Their still-plump bodies were acting as if they were starving and were working overtime to regain the pounds they lost. For instance, a gastric hormone called ghrelin, often dubbed the “hunger hormone,” was about 20 percent higher than at the start of the study. Another hormone associated with suppressing hunger, peptide YY, was also abnormally low. Levels of leptin, a hormone that suppresses hunger and increases metabolism, also remained lower than expected. A cocktail of other hormones associated with hunger and metabolism all remained significantly changed compared to pre-dieting levels. It was almost as if weight loss had put their bodies into a unique metabolic state, a sort of post-dieting syndrome that set them apart from people who hadn’t tried to lose weight in the first place."
I'm resigned to fighting excess hunger one way or the other for the rest of my life, but I'm determined not to give in to it again.
True. Best of luck to you!0 -
It has nothing to do with "restrictions" in my opinion and rather has to do with a lack of focus on the long-term. People hit their goal and then rest on their laurels. They stop doing what they did to lose weight and instead fall back into their old habits. If you previously gained weight with those old habits, odds are you will gain weight again when you revert to your old ways. It's really as simple as that. It doesn't matter whether you ate pop tarts while losing weight or whether you ate whole foods while losing weight; it comes down to what you do at maintenance.
I think the *reason* people go back to their old habits is because they did restrictions that were temporary. Most people who learn how to eat PopTarts and still lose weight are the small percentage who actually learn something and are able to keep the weight off.0 -
Probably because at some point they stop counting calories.
During the restrictive portion control style diet, they have still been eating the same sort of foods they would have been when they weren't counting calories.
Rather than try and change the types of food they eat, which will better control the hormones in their bodies, which in turn will control the cravings, they've just struggle through eating less of the (Moorish stuff).
When they stop the counting, they consume more calories and the weight goes back on.
I love food, I like the way it tastes and the way it makes me feel - but at the end of the day it's fuel for our bodies, pure and simple.
You can still get enjoyment out of eating a more limited range of food, but get past the emotional connection and you've cracked it.
Cracking by the way is the hard part!!!
I haven't logged for six months and have kept the weight off. I think it's because I was very careful and dedicated for the 18 months that I logged. When I go to cut again, I will probably log again, but I have "reset" so to speak so now I know how much to eat without gaining.0 -
The number of linkurl:fat cells;http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/54033/ in a person's body is determined during childhood and stays constant throughout life, with about 10 percent of fat cells dying and being replaced annually, according to study published in __Nature__ yesterday (May 4). Understanding the hitherto poorly characterized dynamics of fat cell production and turnover may help researchers target key processes in obesity and related diseases, such as diabetes. "We are generating quite a few fat cells," said linkurl:Kirsty Spalding,;http://www.narsad.org/research/grantee_lists/bios/yi2007spalding.html a biologist at Sweden's Karolinska Institute and first author on the study, "but it seems to be really tightly regulated." Spalding said that both the expansion of the fat cell population and the arrival at what will be the final number of fat cells, or linkurl:adipocytes,;http://www.the-scientist.com/news/daily/23356/ in the adult body occur at an earlier age in obese people.
Fatter people experience a period of rapid adipoctye production around age two and reach their adult number of fat cells when they are about 16.5 years old, she said. Lean people, however, recruit fat cells most rapidly at about age six, with their fat cell population reaching its adult size at about 18.5 years old. "The expansion is definitely going on at an earlier age in obese children and at an increased rate," Spalding said. The team of mostly Swedish researchers employed several methods to characterize adipoctye dynamics in the human body. To study how fat cell numbers differ in heftier or lighter people, Spalding and her team examined fat biopsies from about 680 lean and obese Swedish people. They found obese people can have as much as twice the number of adipocytes as do lean people. The researchers also followed 20 gastric bypass patients who lost weight after their operations. Over the course of two years, their fat cells shrunk in size, but the total number stayed constant.
To characterize the turnover of fat cells in adults, Spalding used a linkurl:^14^C dating method;http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/15802/ she developed. The researchers measured the radioactive signature in the DNA of fat cells, and modeled adipocyte death and replacement by comparing fat samples from 35 adult liposuction or reconstructive surgery patients to existing ^14^C data gathered from children.
Spalding said that knowing about the turnover of fat cells could help develop future obesity treatments. She cautioned, however, that dramatic weight reduction will not result solely from some "magic pill," and will likely require reduced calorie intake and exercise. She next plans to elucidate fat cell population dynamics in people who are lean as children and becomes obese adults; a scenario not explored in her study. "I would imagine that they're going to have an increase in [adipoctye] number, but having said that, it seems to be extremely tightly regulated," she said. "It's really an open question."0 -
Something else that I think contributes to regaining - It takes a lot longer to lose it than to gain it if you have any binge eating issues.
The message from my food diary on a particularly bad day a couple of weeks back:
If every day were like today... You'd weigh 193.8 lbs in 5 weeks
Five weeks is all it would take eating 9000 calories every day to gain from 118 to 193.8! And I am very capable of eating that much every day, too. I'd be happy as a pig in mud doing it, too. Then I'd end up bigger than the pig.
Glad I took time from stuffing my face to enter all that food in and asked MFP to tell me the consequences. No way am I destroying two years' hard work in five weeks!0
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