Carbs earlier in the day?
ericcanute
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Has anyone tried it? I'm sticking to a below 100G/Carbs a day and I always give myself a higher carb treat and I thought it would be best to do it earlier in the day since your body will first use it as energy?
So for example, I had one serving of ice cream this morning (1/2 cup, not a lot - but enough to deter my cravings) and I will also eat eggs, and a source of meat this morning as well. For the rest of the day I'll also keep it low carb.
Anyone tried it and had good results?
((Forget to mention that I will be eating more healthy carbs later in the day though, like salads, broccoli, etc. just not bad carbs like in the morning.))
So for example, I had one serving of ice cream this morning (1/2 cup, not a lot - but enough to deter my cravings) and I will also eat eggs, and a source of meat this morning as well. For the rest of the day I'll also keep it low carb.
Anyone tried it and had good results?
((Forget to mention that I will be eating more healthy carbs later in the day though, like salads, broccoli, etc. just not bad carbs like in the morning.))
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Has anyone tried it? I'm sticking to a below 100G/Carbs a day and I always give myself a higher carb treat and I thought it would be best to do it earlier in the day since your body will first use it as energy?
So for example, I had one serving of ice cream this morning (1/2 cup, not a lot - but enough to deter my cravings) and I will also eat eggs, and a source of meat this morning as well. For the rest of the day I'll also keep it low carb.
Anyone tried it and had good results?
((Forget to mention that I will be eating more healthy carbs later in the day though, like salads, broccoli, etc. just not bad carbs like in the morning.))
Good carbs, bad carbs - doesn't matter when you eat your carbs - they all get converted to glucose and used as fuel (unless you over eat and then they are stored).
Plus I wouldn't look at it as good/bad. Only nutrient efficient and nutrient deficient.
If you've set yourself an allowance - eat the carbs when you will best enjoy them. If that's the morning great. If you'd rather eat them as a treat in the evening, then leave them till then.
Main thing is enjoy them.0 -
QFTHas anyone tried it? I'm sticking to a below 100G/Carbs a day and I always give myself a higher carb treat and I thought it would be best to do it earlier in the day since your body will first use it as energy?
So for example, I had one serving of ice cream this morning (1/2 cup, not a lot - but enough to deter my cravings) and I will also eat eggs, and a source of meat this morning as well. For the rest of the day I'll also keep it low carb.
Anyone tried it and had good results?
((Forget to mention that I will be eating more healthy carbs later in the day though, like salads, broccoli, etc. just not bad carbs like in the morning.))
Good carbs, bad carbs - doesn't matter when you eat your carbs - they all get converted to glucose and used as fuel (unless you over eat and then they are stored).
Plus I wouldn't look at it as good/bad. Only nutrient efficient and nutrient deficient.
If you've set yourself an allowance - eat the carbs when you will best enjoy them. If that's the morning great. If you'd rather eat them as a treat in the evening, then leave them till then.
Main thing is enjoy them.0 -
QFTHas anyone tried it? I'm sticking to a below 100G/Carbs a day and I always give myself a higher carb treat and I thought it would be best to do it earlier in the day since your body will first use it as energy?
So for example, I had one serving of ice cream this morning (1/2 cup, not a lot - but enough to deter my cravings) and I will also eat eggs, and a source of meat this morning as well. For the rest of the day I'll also keep it low carb.
Anyone tried it and had good results?
((Forget to mention that I will be eating more healthy carbs later in the day though, like salads, broccoli, etc. just not bad carbs like in the morning.))
Good carbs, bad carbs - doesn't matter when you eat your carbs - they all get converted to glucose and used as fuel (unless you over eat and then they are stored).
Plus I wouldn't look at it as good/bad. Only nutrient efficient and nutrient deficient.
If you've set yourself an allowance - eat the carbs when you will best enjoy them. If that's the morning great. If you'd rather eat them as a treat in the evening, then leave them till then.
Main thing is enjoy them.
Alright thank you guys!0 -
Has anyone tried it? I'm sticking to a below 100G/Carbs a day and I always give myself a higher carb treat and I thought it would be best to do it earlier in the day since your body will first use it as energy?
So for example, I had one serving of ice cream this morning (1/2 cup, not a lot - but enough to deter my cravings) and I will also eat eggs, and a source of meat this morning as well. For the rest of the day I'll also keep it low carb.
Anyone tried it and had good results?
((Forget to mention that I will be eating more healthy carbs later in the day though, like salads, broccoli, etc. just not bad carbs like in the morning.))
Yes, it is called "nutrient timing" and is well used by endurance athletes for weight loss. The majority of carbs should be taken in during breakfast and lunch, switching to the protein for the evening meal.
That being said, I would also advocate eating complex carbs over something like ice cream to fuel your temple.0 -
Quick digesting carbs are prefect before exercise for energy.Has anyone tried it? I'm sticking to a below 100G/Carbs a day and I always give myself a higher carb treat and I thought it would be best to do it earlier in the day since your body will first use it as energy?
So for example, I had one serving of ice cream this morning (1/2 cup, not a lot - but enough to deter my cravings) and I will also eat eggs, and a source of meat this morning as well. For the rest of the day I'll also keep it low carb.
Anyone tried it and had good results?
((Forget to mention that I will be eating more healthy carbs later in the day though, like salads, broccoli, etc. just not bad carbs like in the morning.))
Yes, it is called "nutrient timing" and is well used by endurance athletes for weight loss. The majority of carbs should be taken in during breakfast and lunch, switching to the protein for the evening meal.
That being said, I would also advocate eating complex carbs over something like ice cream to fuel your temple.0 -
Has anyone tried it? I'm sticking to a below 100G/Carbs a day and I always give myself a higher carb treat and I thought it would be best to do it earlier in the day since your body will first use it as energy?
So for example, I had one serving of ice cream this morning (1/2 cup, not a lot - but enough to deter my cravings) and I will also eat eggs, and a source of meat this morning as well. For the rest of the day I'll also keep it low carb.
Anyone tried it and had good results?
((Forget to mention that I will be eating more healthy carbs later in the day though, like salads, broccoli, etc. just not bad carbs like in the morning.))
My personal preference is to have my carbs later in the day after training. I figure when I train, I am using the stored glycogen from the night before. That way, in a sense, I am replenishing my stores and make the most out of the carbs in my meal...
I also just like eating bigger at night so it works for me.0 -
Quick digesting carbs are prefect before exercise for energy.
Right. And all the world class athletes are eating ice cream in the morning before their workouts....not.0 -
Has anybody asked the OP if he is an athlete or embarking on endurance training.
I must say I have offered advice and am guilty of not asking for more clarification.
OP what is your exercise regime. And what times of the day are training?0 -
Yes, it is called "nutrient timing" and is well used by endurance athletes for weight loss. The majority of carbs should be taken in during breakfast and lunch, switching to the protein for the evening meal.
That being said, I would also advocate eating complex carbs over something like ice cream to fuel your temple.
Not sure if endurance athletes would do that for weight loss... I would imagine they are more concerned with performance.0 -
Quick digesting carbs are prefect before exercise for energy.
Right. And all the world class athletes are eating ice cream in the morning before their workouts....not.
World class athletes eat everything...0 -
Nutrient timing revisited by Alan Aragon and Brad Schoenfeld
http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/5
Protein
With that said, high-quality protein dosed at 0.4-0.5 g/kg of LBM at both pre- and post-exercise is a simple, relatively fail-safe general guideline that reflects the current evidence showing a maximal acute anabolic effect of 20-40 g
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Due to the transient anabolic impact of a protein-rich meal and its potential synergy with the trained state, pre- and post-exercise meals should not be separated by more than approximately 3–4 hours, given a typical resistance training bout lasting 45–90 minutes. If protein is delivered within particularly large mixed-meals (which are inherently more anticatabolic), a case can be made for lengthening the interval to 5-6 hours.
Carbs
However, carbohydrate availability during and after exercise is of greater concern for endurance as opposed to strength or hypertrophy goals. Furthermore, the importance of co-ingesting post-exercise protein and carbohydrate has recently been challenged by studies examining the early recovery period, particularly when sufficient protein is provided.
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For the goal of maximizing rates of muscle gain, these findings support the broader objective of meeting total daily carbohydrate need instead specifically timing its constituent doses.0 -
Yes, it is called "nutrient timing" and is well used by endurance athletes for weight loss. The majority of carbs should be taken in during breakfast and lunch, switching to the protein for the evening meal.
That being said, I would also advocate eating complex carbs over something like ice cream to fuel your temple.
Not sure if endurance athletes would do that for weight loss... I would imagine they are more concerned with performance.
It's well outlined in the excellent book by Matt Fitzgerald called "Racing Weight". He has a chapter devoted to nutrient timing, and a chapter devoted to what 19 world class athletes eat on a daily basis (triathletes, runners, cyclists, rowers, XC skiers, swimmers, mountain bike racers, etc...).
RacingWeight
Nutrient Timing rules of thumb...
#1 Eat Early
#2 Eat Carbs early and Protein late
#3 Eat on a consistent schedule
#4 Eat before exercise
#5 Eat during exercise
#6 Eat after exercise
#7 Minimize eating after dark
Of course, he goes into detail with each of those rules.
A qoute from page 125 that is in the chapter on nutrient timing....
"In simple terms, nutrient timing has a significant impact on energy partitioning. Energy partioning refers to the ultimate fate of the calories your body absorbs from food. There are a few primary destinations for food calories:
• Fat may be stored in ADIPOSE TISSUE, making you fatter.
• Protein, carbohydrate, and fat may be stored within MUSCLE CELLS to power muscle work.
• Carbohydrate, fat, and, to a lesser extent, protein, may be used to supply IMMEDIATE ENERGY NEEDS.
Naturally, you become leaner by shifting the balance of energy partioning away from fat storage and toward muscle storage and immediate use. If you time your nutrient intake well, you will store less fat in your fat cells, store more protein and carbohydrate in your muscle cells, and use more calories to supply immediate energy needs than you would if you ate precisely the same nutrients but timed their intake poorly."0 -
Yes, it is called "nutrient timing" and is well used by endurance athletes for weight loss. The majority of carbs should be taken in during breakfast and lunch, switching to the protein for the evening meal.
That being said, I would also advocate eating complex carbs over something like ice cream to fuel your temple.
Not sure if endurance athletes would do that for weight loss... I would imagine they are more concerned with performance.
It's well outlined in the excellent book by Matt Fitzgerald called "Racing Weight". He has a chapter devoted to nutrient timing, and a chapter devoted to what 19 world class athletes eat on a daily basis (triathletes, runners, cyclists, rowers, XC skiers, swimmers, mountain bike racers, etc...).
RacingWeight
Nutrient Timing rules of thumb...
#1 Eat Early
#2 Eat Carbs early and Protein late
#3 Eat on a consistent schedule
#4 Eat before exercise
#5 Eat during exercise
#6 Eat after exercise
#7 Minimize eating after dark
Of course, he goes into detail with each of those rules.
A qoute from page 125 that is in the chapter on nutrient timing....
"In simple terms, nutrient timing has a significant impact on energy partitioning. Energy partioning refers to the ultimate fate of the calories your body absorbs from food. There are a few primary destinations for food calories:
• Fat may be stored in ADIPOSE TISSUE, making you fatter.
• Protein, carbohydrate, and fat may be stored within MUSCLE CELLS to power muscle work.
• Carbohydrate, fat, and, to a lesser extent, protein, may be used to supply IMMEDIATE ENERGY NEEDS.
Naturally, you become leaner by shifting the balance of energy partioning away from fat storage and toward muscle storage and immediate use. If you time your nutrient intake well, you will store less fat in your fat cells, store more protein and carbohydrate in your muscle cells, and use more calories to supply immediate energy needs than you would if you ate precisely the same nutrients but timed their intake poorly."
In regards to the OP's original question... don't you think you are overcomplicating it just a tad?0 -
In regards to the OP's original question... don't you think you are overcomplicating it just a tad?
In terms of anybody asking about eating ice cream in the morning - yes.
In terms of somebody else who may stumble on this thread wondering about eating carbs earlier in the day who also happens to be including exercise in combination to their daily routine to lose weight - nutrient timing is very a propos to the thread's title.
It seems complicated, but knowing that eating the same amount of food/nutrients per day, but timed differently could mean the difference between losing weight and gaining weight - it's a huge "hello" moment. Need I mention their are thousands of posts on these forums with posters asking why they are not losing weight even though their calories are low and they are working out. IMO - many, if not all, could use a lesson on nutrient timing.0 -
Quick digesting carbs are prefect before exercise for energy.
Right. And all the world class athletes are eating ice cream in the morning before their workouts....not.
World class athletes eat everything...
QFT
OP....I eat carbs at every single meal all throughout the day...I maintained a reasonable calorie deficit and easily lost about 40 Lbs. Don't over complicate what is not in the least bit complicated.It seems complicated, but knowing that eating the same amount of food/nutrients per day, but timed differently could mean the difference between losing weight and gaining weight - it's a huge "hello" moment. Need I mention their are thousands of posts on these forums with posters asking why they are not losing weight even though their calories are low and they are working out. IMO - many, if not all, could use a lesson on nutrient timing.
A deficit of energy is a deficit of energy is a deficit of energy...are you really saying that someone who is in a deficit of energy isn't going to lose weight...or in fact will gain weight due to nutrient timing? That's just ridiculous dude.
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A deficit of energy is a deficit of energy is a deficit of energy...are you really saying that someone who is in a deficit of energy isn't going to lose weight...or in fact will gain weight due to nutrient timing? That's just ridiculous dude.
I did not say that. Neither did the OP. But bang for the buck, there just may be a more efficient way to get the nutrients you need if they are timed properly. Be it for maintaining weight, or losing weight.
Your goal may be to complete a metric century. Other's may have a goal of doing it 2 hours faster than you. ;-) And on the same amount of calories timed perfectly. ;-)
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A deficit of energy is a deficit of energy is a deficit of energy...are you really saying that someone who is in a deficit of energy isn't going to lose weight...or in fact will gain weight due to nutrient timing? That's just ridiculous dude.
I did not say that. Neither did the OP. But bang for the buck, there just may be a more efficient way to get the nutrients you need if they are timed properly. Be it for maintaining weight, or losing weight.
Your goal may be to complete a metric century. Other's may have a goal of doing it 2 hours faster than you. ;-) And on the same amount of calories timed perfectly. ;-)
You said exactly that...but timed differently could mean the difference between losing weight and gaining weight - it's a huge "hello" moment. Need I mention their are thousands of posts on these forums with posters asking why they are not losing weight even though their calories are low and they are working out.
Also, no question nutrient timing is important to performance come race day and the days leading up to it...last I checked, OP was talking about losing weight, not optimizing her 1/2 marathon time.
Also, there are just as many endurance athletes that advocate carbs in the evening, primarily to aid in protein synthesis...Matt Fitzgerald is awesome, but he's not God and Racing Weight isn't the Bible....you can pretty much find advocacy for just about anything (which is why there is such a plethora of bro-science spouted everywhere) and most endurance athletes will have to experiment to see what works best for them from a performance standpoint...but again, that's not even what the OP is talking about.0 -
OP, looks like your diet is fairly nutrient dense as a whole... 1/2 cup of ice cream (whatever part of the day you decide to have it) will not likely derail you.
Enjoy every bite
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Really doesn't matter when it comes to weight loss. It matters on how you feel about when you like to eat your carbs.
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I didn't mention ice cream, but sure and along with anything a particular athlete deems appropriate..........gels for example.......Your n-1 view has much derp in it..........personally I like pizza for that purpose.Quick digesting carbs are prefect before exercise for energy.
Right. And all the world class athletes are eating ice cream in the morning before their workouts....not.0 -
I'd really only concern yourself with specific carbohydrate timing for two reasons:
1) Personal preference pertaining to how you feel and when you PREFER to eat your carbohydrates.
2) Effect of carbohydrate timing on exercise performance.
I would argue that the above two variables are going to have a far greater impact on fat loss vs any theoretical benefit to partitioning.0 -
In regards to the OP's original question... don't you think you are overcomplicating it just a tad?
In terms of anybody asking about eating ice cream in the morning - yes.
In terms of somebody else who may stumble on this thread wondering about eating carbs earlier in the day who also happens to be including exercise in combination to their daily routine to lose weight - nutrient timing is very a propos to the thread's title.
It seems complicated, but knowing that eating the same amount of food/nutrients per day, but timed differently could mean the difference between losing weight and gaining weight - it's a huge "hello" moment. Need I mention their are thousands of posts on these forums with posters asking why they are not losing weight even though their calories are low and they are working out. IMO - many, if not all, could use a lesson on nutrient timing.
for you're average MFP user- meal timing- nutrient timing- and almost every thing else at that level is largely irrelevant.
I've personally never really been over weight- I have a healthy relationship with food and I"ve been working out since I was like 3 years old and I still don't give a hoot about it unless I'm doing something really aggressive and it becomes necessary for me to manage my hunger so placing things strategically through the day is vital. For most people it's just complicating something they don't need complicated and they need to do some trial and error with basic guide lines- not stuff that's appropriate for high end competitors.0 -
A deficit of energy is a deficit of energy is a deficit of energy...are you really saying that someone who is in a deficit of energy isn't going to lose weight...or in fact will gain weight due to nutrient timing? That's just ridiculous dude.
I did not say that. Neither did the OP. But bang for the buck, there just may be a more efficient way to get the nutrients you need if they are timed properly. Be it for maintaining weight, or losing weight.
Your goal may be to complete a metric century. Other's may have a goal of doing it 2 hours faster than you. ;-) And on the same amount of calories timed perfectly. ;-)
You said exactly that...but timed differently could mean the difference between losing weight and gaining weight - it's a huge "hello" moment. Need I mention their are thousands of posts on these forums with posters asking why they are not losing weight even though their calories are low and they are working out.
Also, no question nutrient timing is important to performance come race day and the days leading up to it...last I checked, OP was talking about losing weight, not optimizing her 1/2 marathon time.
Also, there are just as many endurance athletes that advocate carbs in the evening, primarily to aid in protein synthesis...Matt Fitzgerald is awesome, but he's not God and Racing Weight isn't the Bible....you can pretty much find advocacy for just about anything (which is why there is such a plethora of bro-science spouted everywhere) and most endurance athletes will have to experiment to see what works best for them from a performance standpoint...but again, that's not even what the OP is talking about.
Semantics, I guess. In the quote you list, you will notice I was careful to use the word "low" which is different from the word "deficit". A "low" tank of gas, does not mean there are negative gallons in the tank and I cannot drive to work. A "deficit" would be "below".
Fitzgerald's book has the footnotes to all of the studies and sources that were conducted. It's not "bro science".0 -
A deficit of energy is a deficit of energy is a deficit of energy...are you really saying that someone who is in a deficit of energy isn't going to lose weight...or in fact will gain weight due to nutrient timing? That's just ridiculous dude.
I did not say that. Neither did the OP. But bang for the buck, there just may be a more efficient way to get the nutrients you need if they are timed properly. Be it for maintaining weight, or losing weight.
Your goal may be to complete a metric century. Other's may have a goal of doing it 2 hours faster than you. ;-) And on the same amount of calories timed perfectly. ;-)
You said exactly that...but timed differently could mean the difference between losing weight and gaining weight - it's a huge "hello" moment. Need I mention their are thousands of posts on these forums with posters asking why they are not losing weight even though their calories are low and they are working out.
Also, no question nutrient timing is important to performance come race day and the days leading up to it...last I checked, OP was talking about losing weight, not optimizing her 1/2 marathon time.
Also, there are just as many endurance athletes that advocate carbs in the evening, primarily to aid in protein synthesis...Matt Fitzgerald is awesome, but he's not God and Racing Weight isn't the Bible....you can pretty much find advocacy for just about anything (which is why there is such a plethora of bro-science spouted everywhere) and most endurance athletes will have to experiment to see what works best for them from a performance standpoint...but again, that's not even what the OP is talking about.
Semantics, I guess. In the quote you list, you will notice I was careful to use the word "low" which is different from the word "deficit". A "low" tank of gas, does not mean there are negative gallons in the tank and I cannot drive to work. A "deficit" would be "below".
Fitzgerald's book has the footnotes to all of the studies and sources that were conducted. It's not "bro science".
I've read it...along with other numerous other health, fitness, and nutrition books that also have footnotes for numerous studies the contradict those studies and other studies that contradict those studies so whatever, and again...average MFPer is going to see very little if any benefit from nutrient timing...average MFPer is not world class athlete trying to shave off milliseconds from their time. Not sure how you're not getting this.0 -
I'd really only concern yourself with specific carbohydrate timing for two reasons:
1) Personal preference pertaining to how you feel and when you PREFER to eat your carbohydrates.
2) Effect of carbohydrate timing on exercise performance.
I would argue that the above two variables are going to have a far greater impact on fat loss vs any theoretical benefit to partitioning.
This.0 -
I've read it...along with other numerous other health, fitness, and nutrition books that also have footnotes for numerous studies the contradict those studies and other studies that contradict those studies so whatever, and again...average MFPer is going to see very little if any benefit from nutrient timing...average MFPer is not world class athlete trying to shave off milliseconds from their time. Not sure how you're not getting this.
Fine. I thought that perhaps the title of the thread would attract more than just any "old average MFP'er" who wants to know if eating ice cream for breakfast within the broader question of "carbs earlier in the day" or not. I thought there was a diverse group of people partaking of this site that includes anything from top level amateur and even pro athletes to the "any old average MFP'er" who wants to know how to start exercising, or how to start a training program.
Suffice it to say, that nutrient timing is - as you mention - not for the run of the mill average person. But for those that are different than the "run of the mill" - and I have read a lot of posts on these boards that are indeed from a diverse background and experience level - I don't see the harm in valid disucssion.
If there are any amateur "above the run of the mill" endurance athletes on the boards, nutrient timing and getting it right is very crucial to training and racing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sStK1KG8lnA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W-SGNh3AD0 0 -
Do whatever works for you. I don't eat breakfast (IF) so all my carbs come after noon. I love it. But, i'm not a low carb person.0
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I've read it...along with other numerous other health, fitness, and nutrition books that also have footnotes for numerous studies the contradict those studies and other studies that contradict those studies so whatever, and again...average MFPer is going to see very little if any benefit from nutrient timing...average MFPer is not world class athlete trying to shave off milliseconds from their time. Not sure how you're not getting this.
Fine. I thought that perhaps the title of the thread would attract more than just any "old average MFP'er" who wants to know if eating ice cream for breakfast within the broader question of "carbs earlier in the day" or not. I thought there was a diverse group of people partaking of this site that includes anything from top level amateur and even pro athletes to the "any old average MFP'er" who wants to know how to start exercising, or how to start a training program.
Suffice it to say, that nutrient timing is - as you mention - not for the run of the mill average person. But for those that are different than the "run of the mill" - and I have read a lot of posts on these boards that are indeed from a diverse background and experience level - I don't see the harm in valid disucssion.
If there are any amateur "above the run of the mill" endurance athletes on the boards, nutrient timing and getting it right is very crucial to training and racing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sStK1KG8lnAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W-SGNh3AD0
I appreciate what you are saying but it really does not pertain to the op's question.0 -
It does not matter when you eat which macro-nutrients.0
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It does not matter when you eat which macro-nutrients.
For weight loss I would tend to agree, that said I would not go to that extreme either. For body recomp, nutrient timing may play a more significant role. But, I would not get all crazy about either.0
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