1000/kcal a day defecit=4lb gain?!

I'm at my wit's end here. As you can see from my ticker, I'm quite large with a LOT of weight to lose. I've made some progress, and greatly improved my overall nutrition and my exercise habits. But I've been losing/regaining the same 10 pounds for months now. At my size I find that ridiculous.

Last month I decided enough was enough and I lowered my calorie target in MFP (MFP had me at 2100, I put it to 1700) and had great results, at first. Lost 4 pounds the first week and 5 pounds the next. But today was my WI day and I'm up 4 pounds! I don't think it could possibly all be water retention. My calorie intake has been between 1600-1800 each day. I eat back a bit of calories on the days I do strength training (those are the 1800 days) but none on the days I do just cardio.

My BMR is around 2300 (I'm a 5'6", 32 year-old female) and my TDEE is around 2800. So I've been averaging a 1,000kcal/day deficit for the past three weeks. How is it possible to gain weight with such a deficit, especially at my size?

I would really appreciate any help and tips.
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  • Sorry, forgot my ticket didn't show my current weight, which is 354.
  • martyqueen52
    martyqueen52 Posts: 1,120 Member
    Water weight, high sodium foods, diet sodas, and.... that... "female time" of the month plays a major factor. Along with hormones. Unless you ate an extra 3,500 calories it's all water.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,224 Member
    Keep us informed what happens next week, next month.......overnight isn't reliable data. I've gained 4 lbs overnight and <i weight 195 right now.

  • Thank you so much for those links! I'm reading through them right now. Also, can you please tell me how to open my diary? Sorry, I haven't spent much time in the community section and I'm not sure how to do anything over here.
  • Water weight, high sodium foods, diet sodas, and.... that... "female time" of the month plays a major factor. Along with hormones. Unless you ate an extra 3,500 calories it's all water.

    Thank you very much. It's hard to imagine gaining that much in water. I don't drink diet sodas but I did eat more sodium yesterday than I should have (2600mg) so I guess that could be hurting me. I really hope it comes off soon =/
  • Keep us informed what happens next week, next month.......overnight isn't reliable data. I've gained 4 lbs overnight and <i weight 195 right now.

    Thank you, it's kind of nice to hear that this kind of crazy sudden gain can happen even to someone with much less weight to lose than me!
  • GBrady43068
    GBrady43068 Posts: 1,256 Member
    Water weight, high sodium foods, diet sodas, and.... that... "female time" of the month plays a major factor. Along with hormones. Unless you ate an extra 3,500 calories it's all water.
    ^ This.

    To make your diary public, click the "Settings" link at the top of the site then click "Diary Settings" and choose the "Public" radio button.
  • To make your diary public, click the "Settings" link at the top of the site then click "Diary Settings" and choose the "Public" radio button.

    Thanks! That's done, and this is the link it gave me: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/bsquibbles">
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member
    You don't weigh your food...

    Not saying the 4lb gain is fat...but...

    If you don't weigh your food you aren't at a 1000 calorie a day deficet...most likely you are eating more than you think.
  • You don't weigh your food...

    Not saying the 4lb gain is fat...but...

    If you don't weigh your food you aren't at a 1000 calorie a day deficet...most likely you are eating more than you think.

    That could be, I didn't think of that. I use measuring cups and spoons for dry/wet items but I don't weigh anything besides meat. Do most people use their food scale for everything? Should I use it for fruit and things too?

    Thank you!
  • Check out this video regarding measuring vs. weighing ……. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjWPclrWVY.
  • Check out this video regarding measuring vs. weighing ……. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjWPclrWVY.

    Woah, that was really eye-opening...amazing how quickly that adds up!

    Thank you so much! Looks like my food scale is about to become my new best friend. I feel so silly for not making that connection. This should help a lot I imagine!

    I'm so glad I posted here...again, thank you!
  • serindipte
    serindipte Posts: 1,557 Member
    Check out this video regarding measuring vs. weighing ……. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjWPclrWVY.

    This.. I was about to post the same video lol

    I weigh everything. Fruit, veg, meat, sauces, oils, if it goes in me, it got weighed first.
  • nomad1000
    nomad1000 Posts: 206 Member
    Personally, I use a scale for just about everything except liquids.

    And after a dinner of Chinese take away (which was loaded with salt, I am sure) I was up 3 lbs overnight.
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  • ShannonMpls
    ShannonMpls Posts: 1,936 Member
    Here's what I learned during my weight loss:

    (1) Weekly ups and downs don't matter. Averages are king.

    So you lost 5 pounds one week, 4 pounds the next, up 4 this week? That averages to 1.667 pounds per week. That's just shy of what is predicted based on a 1,000 calorie a day deficit. And - if you're not weighing your portions - I'll bet your deficit is smaller than you think, which basically means your average loss might be exactly correct based on your deficit.

    My advice: Track your daily and weekly losses on a spreadsheet. that way you can easily calculate averages and see that your loss is actually perfectly in line.

    (2) If you didn't eat enough above maintenance to gain 4 pounds of fat, you did not gain 4 pounds of fat. It is absolutely, 100% possible to be retaining four pounds of water. I do - about one week a month. Sometimes it's less, but 4 pounds is not out of line at all. See (1). Averages are what matters.

    (3) Weight loss is not perfectly linear. If you're like me, your losses will be whooshes and stalls. If I lost 5 pounds one week (which definitely happened several times) I knew very well that I was unlikely to lose anything the next week. Whooshes were always followed by stalls for me, and stalls by whooshes. See tip (1).





    And yes...I use my food scale many times a day, even now, 18 months into weight maintenance. You wouldn't believe how often I eyeball 28 g of cheese perfectly NOW but that's a long work in progress. I often don't weigh leafy greens, but every serving of peanut butter, jam, nuts, chips, crackers, hummus, mayo, cheese, meat, yogurt, etc gets weighed before it goes in my mouth. If it's nutrient dense, it's important to weigh. For fruit, I'll weigh if it's convenient (peeling a banana at home, for example) but if I pack a piece of fruit to eat with lunch at work like an apple, pear, or orange, I don't weigh. I'm not above weighing everything at home, but I'm definitely not willing to have a scale at work :)
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  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    You don't weigh your food...

    Not saying the 4lb gain is fat...but...

    If you don't weigh your food you aren't at a 1000 calorie a day deficet...most likely you are eating more than you think.

    That could be, I didn't think of that. I use measuring cups and spoons for dry/wet items but I don't weigh anything besides meat. Do most people use their food scale for everything? Should I use it for fruit and things too?

    Thank you!
    I weigh everything. If a food in the MFP database only has measurements, I read packages and weigh food according to that. It's rare 1 cup of anything weighs an ounce, it usually weighs more.
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  • ShannonMpls
    ShannonMpls Posts: 1,936 Member
    Personally, I use a scale for just about everything except liquids.

    And after a dinner of Chinese take away (which was loaded with salt, I am sure) I was up 3 lbs overnight.

    If you drink ANY liquid other than water, black calorie free coffee, or diet soda with zero calories WEIGHT IT
    weight your cream, you sugar scoops, your butter pats

    anything you put in your mouth weight

    Liquids are typically measured by volume, not mass. It's very unusual to find nutrition information for a liquid measured by mass. I sometimes see it on salad dressings, though those are usually volume as well. You need to know the density of the particular liquid to convert the measurement from volume to mass. It's easy with water (1L=1kg) but not necessarily with other liquids. What I mean by this is that it's more convenient and likely more accurate to measure liquids by volume, not on your kitchen scale.
  • jammallnyte
    jammallnyte Posts: 26 Member
    I am in no way an expert but I had a conversation this morning with my doctor about calories. He has told "me" (talk to your doctor for you) not to be concerned about calories. He wants me at this point to be under 100 carbs a day. There have been days I have struggled to get to 1200 calories and as you know MFP will warn you if you complete a day under 1200.

    Calories are subjective. His example was you have 100 calories of Coke or 100 calories of broccoli they are both 100 calories right. It isn't always about calories he said it is about what you are putting in your body.

    So if you are cutting calories and still gaining weight maybe you should evaluate what those calories are instead of how many you taking in.

    My results, since Dec 17th I have lost over 40 pounds, His system for me is working. I encourage you to get tips from MFP forums but you should see your doctor about your needs. It is your health care.... make it personal because it is personal. Maybe the Dr can see something in your blood work or can direct you in a different direction.

    I have yo-yoed my whole life... lose 20 gain 30. At 402 pounds I gave up and told the Dr I needed to try surgery. He said first let's try this. I feel better and better everyday and my results are amazing me. Is it easy?? Hell no. But I am getting it, my body is adjusting to it and the weight is coming off at a rate of 2-3 pounds a week every week. With a severe bad back, I have gone from needing a shopping cart to lean on just to walk to store to not pushing the cart at all because I WANT to take the steps.

    JUST DON'T GIVE UP!!!! Seek some professional advice. THAT is my advice. Don't do my plan find your plan. Make it personal!!!!
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  • sssgilber
    sssgilber Posts: 90 Member
    Thank you for your post. I was whining over just a half pound loss this week, then remembered the big plate of Huhot vegetables with soy sauce yesterday.
  • ShannonMpls
    ShannonMpls Posts: 1,936 Member
    Personally, I use a scale for just about everything except liquids.

    And after a dinner of Chinese take away (which was loaded with salt, I am sure) I was up 3 lbs overnight.

    If you drink ANY liquid other than water, black calorie free coffee, or diet soda with zero calories WEIGHT IT
    weight your cream, you sugar scoops, your butter pats

    anything you put in your mouth weight

    Liquids are typically measured by volume, not mass. It's very unusual to find nutrition information for a liquid measured by mass. I sometimes see it on salad dressings, though those are usually volume as well. You need to know the density of the particular liquid to convert the measurement from volume to mass. It's easy with water (1L=1kg) but not necessarily with other liquids. What I mean by this is that it's more convenient and likely more accurate to measure liquids by volume, not on your kitchen scale.

    A tip i learned for measuring liquids on the food scale outside of ounces, for salad dressings and coffee creamers 1 mL = 1 gram :)

    youre welcome.

    Not precisely. 1g of water = 1ml. But that varies for other liquids based on their density.

    You could certainly estimate cream that way, for example, but it will not be precise. The density of cream - and thus its weight - depends on the fat percentage AND temperature. The 1ml = 1g measurement is precise for water, but cream is lighter in density than water (that's why it floats to the top!). It would be close enough to estimate, but so is a measuring cup.

    If the density of the salad dressing is different than that of water, there will be a difference in weight even if volume is identical. I have no idea if there is a density difference. Your method is not precise unless you have determined each liquid's density, which is certainly possible, though time consuming.

    Measuring with volume utensils is also not completely precise. This is a case where, unlike weighing the mass of solid foods (which IS more precise than volume measurements), you can decide which method is more convenient. There will be a negligible difference between a volume measurement of cream and a weight measurement of cream - even assuming you've calculated its density.

    I will say that when I bake, I use mass measurements for all solid ingredients but volume measurements for liquids. That's how most recipes are written, because of the variation in density of various liquids.
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  • Here's what I learned during my weight loss:

    (1) Weekly ups and downs don't matter. Averages are king.

    So you lost 5 pounds one week, 4 pounds the next, up 4 this week? That averages to 1.667 pounds per week. That's just shy of what is predicted based on a 1,000 calorie a day deficit. And - if you're not weighing your portions - I'll bet your deficit is smaller than you think, which basically means your average loss might be exactly correct based on your deficit.

    Yet another angle I never considered! I really love this forum :) I definitely need to wrap my head around looking at averages and inches and not let myself get so hung up week by week, I guess! And I learned in this thread that I was definitely probably underestimating my intake...should have much more accurate entries when everything gets weighed!

    Thank you for the rest of your great advice and support. Your stats are so inspiring!
  • Are you or any females who you are around constantly, on your period? Maybe its water weight... My mom doesnt even have a uterus and she knows when I am going to start because she starts retaining water.
  • three investments you MUST MAKE for success:

    1) a decent food scale (20 bucks at walmart)
    2) a heart rate monitor for accurate calorie burns
    3) a gym membership OR decent comfortable work out clothes/shoes for home workouts or walking, something that make you feel comfortable and keep you motivated.

    I've got the food scale and the gym membership! I don't have a heart rate monitor, just a fitbit flex. I'll look into the HR monitor, it would be nice to get an accurate idea of calories burned, since all my sources vary so greatly!

    At your size you probably cant walk a mile, I know I have been there, so go start today. Walk a hundred feet everyday this week. Next week try 120 feet a day. Up your distance every week. .

    Actually, when I started out at 420 pounds, I couldn't walk more than a few feet without getting winded. But now at 354, I do around 2 miles on the elliptical 4x/week and once a week my husband and I go walk laps at the mall...last saturday according to my fitbit we did 6 miles. :)

    I had started out at the gym on the treadmill, but that got boring so I switched to the elliptical, which I like a lot more. I could only do around 5 minutes when I started, but now I'm up to 30, and I try and increase my resistance and speed each week. I never track the full 30 minutes in MFP though, if I do MFP tells me I've burned like, 700 calories whereas the machine itself usually says about 250...so I usually track it as 10 or 20 minutes.

    Thank you so much for your wonderful advice and support! I am truly inspired by everyone posting in this thread and I feel 1000% better now than I did this morning when I first posted! I'm eager to put everyone's tips into play!
  • JUST DON'T GIVE UP!!!! Seek some professional advice. THAT is my advice. Don't do my plan find your plan. Make it personal!!!!

    Thank you for the advice and I just want to say WAY TO GO with the progress you've made! I'm glad you've found a great plan that works well for you! :)

    And no, I have no intentions of giving up! :D