Question for nutrition experts: Grains, good or bad?

ernestbecker
ernestbecker Posts: 232 Member
in Food and Nutrition
I know many people will have their "google search theories" as well as "diet based biases" on this subject but the question is really centered around the findings of controlled medical research specific to impact of grains in the human body such as inflammation, fat inducing, insulin impact, etc... Not in scope for this question are grain fed animals and the subsequent impact to the human body when those animals are consumed. If you have links, book titles, or other scientific evidence I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you in advance. Ernie.
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  • LaiceePNW
    LaiceePNW Posts: 14 Member
    Bump
  • TheGymGypsy
    TheGymGypsy Posts: 1,023 Member
    Nutrition experts on MFP? Where?!
  • Wetcoaster
    Wetcoaster Posts: 1,788 Member
    Do you have some links for me to read?


    Some interesting reading......not specifically to your question though. The 1st link has a section on grains specifically with links to the research.



    http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf


    http://alanaragon.com/carbs-fat-friends-after-all.html


    http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/06/15/why-nutritional-dogma-dies-hard/
  • Wiltord1982
    Wiltord1982 Posts: 312 Member
    Nutrition experts on MFP? I gotta see that!

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  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    Evidence that points that grains are not bad? You can't prove a negative, so...

    Will you settle for a little deductive reasoning? Humans have been eating grains for hundreds of thousands of years. If grains were 'toxic' in any way, I think we wouldn't have been doing so well as a species.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    If you want to know what the experts say:

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/whole-grains/
  • bradXdale
    bradXdale Posts: 399
    You will get so many different opinions, "facts", views, inputs, etc on this board....not even worth the argument
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
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  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    Evidence that points that grains are not bad? You can't prove a negative, so...

    Will you settle for a little deductive reasoning? Humans have been eating grains for hundreds of thousands of years. If grains were 'toxic' in any way, I think we wouldn't have been doing so well as a species.

    Everything's toxic/poisonous - it's just a question of dosage!
  • missemmapeel
    missemmapeel Posts: 69 Member
    ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.bc- if you do a pubmed search with the terms "review" and "grain" some really interesting articles pop up, related to diabetes, and refined grains in diets. I suggest you play around here for a bit.
  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
    For the vast majority of people, eating grains comes with no negative health repercussions of any kind.

    Which is as one would expect, since we've been eating them for hundreds of thousands of years.
  • hilly510
    hilly510 Posts: 46 Member
    If you do a search on scholar.google.com, you can find links to (at least) the abstracts of scientific studies or textbooks. If you luck out, you can find the full article for free somewhere.
  • ernestbecker
    ernestbecker Posts: 232 Member
    You will get so many different opinions, "facts", views, inputs, etc on this board....not even worth the argument

    Filtering out crap is pretty easy. thanks though, you're right! There will "always" be a few that provide useful input which makes it worth it.
  • ernestbecker
    ernestbecker Posts: 232 Member
    If you do a search on scholar.google.com, you can find links to (at least) the abstracts of scientific studies or textbooks. If you luck out, you can find the full article for free somewhere.

    that's a great idea. Thank you so much.
  • MinMin97
    MinMin97 Posts: 2,674 Member
    I'm not a nutrition expert, but I eat grains! I think we just don't prepare them properly. For example, wheat bread should be properly fermented in a yeast bread. Or sprouted. Or toasted. These processes make the grain more digestible, and in the case of fermenting, also makes them more nutritious (complete protein, more vitamins).
    I am NOT into the idea that we should not eat grains or sugars. Nonsense.
  • nursebobbi1
    nursebobbi1 Posts: 4 Member
    Here's an expert dietitian's response to one anti-grain advocate:
    http://www.theveganrd.com/2014/02/grains-in-vegan-diets-no-they-wont-make-you-fat-or-sick.html

    Take care,
    Bobbi
  • Shuuma
    Shuuma Posts: 465 Member
    I'm not a nutrition expert, but I eat them! I think we just don't prepare them properly.
    This just made me giggle. Roast Nutritionist, anyone? hehe :flowerforyou:
    I am NOT into the idea that we should not eat grains or sugars. Nonsense.

    Agree completely with this. Over indulging in anything can be unhealthy. You can even kill yourself by drinking too much water. It's all about proper perspective and portions.
  • brittney1211
    brittney1211 Posts: 20 Member
    Humans have been eating grains for a long time, but they're not the same grains that we're eating today. A great place to buy a grain that less people are sensitive to: http://www.sunriseflourmill.com/turkey-red-a-heritage-wheat/
  • amdarosa619
    amdarosa619 Posts: 98 Member
    Lots of valid points so far:

    1) It is not likely to get a true expert here on MFP
    2) Any and Everything can be bad given the portion size
    3) Doesnt hurt to share knowledge (the good intention kind, not the smart *kitten* comments often posted that offer no help to anyone)...so on that note...

    I am no expert, but have come to believe certain types of grains are a great balance to the overall diet, and should be incorporated in controlled amounts, when consumed from unprocessed sources.

    Let me know if you find out any info on the questions you've posted. Its an interesting topic!
  • MinMin97
    MinMin97 Posts: 2,674 Member
    I'm not a nutrition expert, but I eat them! I think we just don't prepare them properly.
    This just made me giggle. Roast Nutritionist, anyone? hehe :flowerforyou:
    I am NOT into the idea that we should not eat grains or sugars. Nonsense.

    Agree completely with this. Over indulging in anything can be unhealthy. You can even kill yourself by drinking too much water. It's all about proper perspective and portions.
    Hahaha!! I am too sleepy today; hilarious mistake. I don't actually eat nutritionists, and don't think anybody should lol. Roasted, fermented or not.:smokin: :laugh:
  • sjaplo
    sjaplo Posts: 974 Member
    I'm not a nutrition expert, but I eat grains! I think we just don't prepare them properly. For example, wheat bread should be properly fermented in a yeast bread. Or sprouted. Or toasted. These processes make the grain more digestible, and in the case of fermenting, also makes them more nutritious (complete protein, more vitamins).
    I am NOT into the idea that we should not eat grains or sugars. Nonsense.

    I prefer my sprouted fermented grains in craft beer :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:
  • ernestbecker
    ernestbecker Posts: 232 Member
    I'm not a nutrition expert, but I eat grains! I think we just don't prepare them properly. For example, wheat bread should be properly fermented in a yeast bread. Or sprouted. Or toasted. These processes make the grain more digestible, and in the case of fermenting, also makes them more nutritious (complete protein, more vitamins).
    I am NOT into the idea that we should not eat grains or sugars. Nonsense.

    I prefer my sprouted fermented grains in craft beer :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:

    haha, amen to that.
  • ernestbecker
    ernestbecker Posts: 232 Member
    I'm not a nutrition expert, but I eat grains! I think we just don't prepare them properly. For example, wheat bread should be properly fermented in a yeast bread. Or sprouted. Or toasted. These processes make the grain more digestible, and in the case of fermenting, also makes them more nutritious (complete protein, more vitamins).
    I am NOT into the idea that we should not eat grains or sugars. Nonsense.

    Thank you, I appreciate the input. I've done a bit of studying on sprouted grains.
  • ernestbecker
    ernestbecker Posts: 232 Member
    Here's an expert dietitian's response to one anti-grain advocate:
    http://www.theveganrd.com/2014/02/grains-in-vegan-diets-no-they-wont-make-you-fat-or-sick.html

    Take care,
    Bobbi

    Thank you. Have taken note of the link and will read later. Much apprecaited.
  • MinMin97
    MinMin97 Posts: 2,674 Member
    I'm not a nutrition expert, but I eat grains! I think we just don't prepare them properly. For example, wheat bread should be properly fermented in a yeast bread. Or sprouted. Or toasted. These processes make the grain more digestible, and in the case of fermenting, also makes them more nutritious (complete protein, more vitamins).
    I am NOT into the idea that we should not eat grains or sugars. Nonsense.

    I prefer my sprouted fermented grains in craft beer :drinker: :drinker: :drinker:
    Sounds interesting, I wish I liked beer, but I never have developed a taste for it!
    The fermenting I am referring to is the fermentation by yeast that occurs when you are making a loaf of WHOLE wheat bread. If it is allowed to rise (proof, ferment) for an adequate amount of time, the minerals in the grain are made bio-available, there's a full complement of b-vitamins (including pantothenic acid, an anti-aging b-vitamin), and is a complete protein.
  • ernestbecker
    ernestbecker Posts: 232 Member
    Humans have been eating grains for a long time, but they're not the same grains that we're eating today. A great place to buy a grain that less people are sensitive to: http://www.sunriseflourmill.com/turkey-red-a-heritage-wheat/

    Thanks so much Brittney. I appreciate the link.
  • ernestbecker
    ernestbecker Posts: 232 Member
    Lots of valid points so far:

    1) It is not likely to get a true expert here on MFP
    2) Any and Everything can be bad given the portion size
    3) Doesnt hurt to share knowledge (the good intention kind, not the smart *kitten* comments often posted that offer no help to anyone)...so on that note...

    I am no expert, but have come to believe certain types of grains are a great balance to the overall diet, and should be incorporated in controlled amounts, when consumed from unprocessed sources.

    Let me know if you find out any info on the questions you've posted. Its an interesting topic!

    Thank you, and I will.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    Evidence that points that grains are not bad? You can't prove a negative, so...

    Will you settle for a little deductive reasoning? Humans have been eating grains for hundreds of thousands of years. If grains were 'toxic' in any way, I think we wouldn't have been doing so well as a species.

    We are doing well as a species???

    I think not. There are higher rates of cancers, tumors and the whole world is becoming obese(except third world countries that hoard their food from the poor)
  • ernestbecker
    ernestbecker Posts: 232 Member
    Evidence that points that grains are not bad? You can't prove a negative, so...

    Will you settle for a little deductive reasoning? Humans have been eating grains for hundreds of thousands of years. If grains were 'toxic' in any way, I think we wouldn't have been doing so well as a species.

    Hi, first of all, thank you for the post and congratulations on your weight loss goals. Question: Are you able to provide a link or information that confirms, scientifically, that humans have been consuming grains for 100's of thousands of years? I would be very interested in that study for sure. Thank you.

    edited for spelling errors (lol, there may be more)
  • Cre8veLifeR
    Cre8veLifeR Posts: 1,062 Member
    I am reading the metabolic typing diet and it makes tons of sense. Basically some people do well on grains and some people don't.

    Basically, we now can't eat meat, fruit is "fattening" and grains are bad for you.

    That leaves veggies people. Veggies. I will die of diet boredom. :laugh:

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