Maxing out on squats (because the bar hurts me)
GummyHuman
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I started doing stronglifts 5x5 in January and my latest squat weight is 120. I can squat this weight and I am sure I can squat more, but I am getting worried about how much more my shoulders can actually hold. My arms and shoulder/back area feel it more than my legs/butt. It hurts.. and it's not a good hurt either!
I am already doing something that I think is frowned upon, and that is padding the bar. If I wasn't doing that I would've been posting weeks ago about this issue.
I am sure I am not the only person to have experienced this. What do you do when you just can't put any more weight on your shoulders?
I am already doing something that I think is frowned upon, and that is padding the bar. If I wasn't doing that I would've been posting weeks ago about this issue.
I am sure I am not the only person to have experienced this. What do you do when you just can't put any more weight on your shoulders?
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Bump! :flowerforyou:0
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In for an answer...
I started NROL4W in February and use the padding on the bar too. I only am squatting 50 lbs so far...congrats on getting to 120 that is really good! I don't know the answer to your question but I totally feel the squats in my legs. I don't know why I can deadlift twice what I can squat maybe I am doing it wrong? Before I was doing heavier squats but it turned out I was only doing "1/2 squats"0 -
If you have to use a pad then who cares. It is so stupid that people frown on that. If they want to have a sore neck because they want to look cool or follow the pack then let them. If the naked barbell gives you pain then use the pad. would you bounce the bar off your chest on bench because that is what is cool ? No!! it is your max, it is your body, you have to deal with the pain. **** what anybody tells you. BTW I do not use a pad because I hold the bar on my lower traps, this may help you. I have used the pad when my spine is bruised from squating to infinity.0
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Good Job!!!!
I started focusing more on my upper body when I experienced that a long time ago, Once I developed my shoulders, arms and my back I was able to squat heavier.
I don't use a pad, but that's just my preference I don't like the feeling.
Just stay at that weight for now and add more sets and reps, and focus on the rest and you should be upping your weight in no time!!0 -
Hard to diagnose without seeing you squat, but I would guess improper bar placement and/or not making a "base" with your shoulder blades.0
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I couldn't/wouldn't do it without the pad...I even bought my own so I don't have to share it with others at the gym LOL...congrats on getting up to 120 !!0
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Hard to diagnose without seeing you squat, but I would guess improper bar placement and/or not making a "base" with your shoulder blades.
my thoughts...
take a video and submit it in a "hows my form" section on BB.com...i think its the exercise forum where you post such videos
ETA:
Post it here... any suggestions yiou get without video are basically useless blind guesses.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145571351
No offense MFP, but, people there are far more qualified to make recommendations, imo0 -
Hard to diagnose without seeing you squat, but I would guess improper bar placement and/or not making a "base" with your shoulder blades.
my thoughts...
take a video and submit it in a "hows my form" section on BB.com...i think its the exercise forum where you post such videos
ETA:
Post it here... any suggestions yiou get without video are basically useless blind guesses.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=145571351
No offense MFP, but, people there are far more qualified to make recommendations, imo
LMFAO so bodybuilding.com is more qualified, you have no clue!0 -
Yeah, it is. Theres far more people there who have trained these lifts and far more people with years of experience doing them. Theres plenty of idiots, but, if you take advice from the vets you'll be better off than the general knowledge base here.
Granted, there are educated individuals here too, but, less so than BB.
Whats your gripe? Do I need to post a form check video both here and on BB.com just to make my point? I could, and anyone who knows F all would come to the conclusion that BB.com's advice was better. I'd bet your life on it.0 -
I've had to widen my grip and lower the barbell on my shoulders/back, to feel comfortable lifting just now at 110.
I think thats called a low barbell back squat? google it to check the position, the bar sits more on my deltoids. The weight feels great, and I'm looking forward to increasing next week.
I could not have lifted heavier than 100 if I had stayed in the high bar position. After doing high bar squats, the next day I'd shower and I could feel the bumps/spine in my neck ache!0 -
Should not feel pain from a padded bar at relatively light weights. Video and post wherever. Might even figure out the problem for yourself just by looking at the video.0
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Play around with how wide/narrow your grip is and how much you flex your upper back. You should be able to rest it on your muscles.
Some of it may hurt at first, but as you get comfortable with the proper form it should start to feel better.0 -
I think this could be because of bar placement, but it's hard to say for sure.
If you are doing high bar, it should rest across the padding of your traps and supported all the way out to your shoulders.
You could also look into the low bar position (I prefer this). It will rest right below the spine of your scapula, on the meat of your deltoid. There is a nice shelf there when you bring your elbows back. Mark Rippetoe has a good youtube video explaining this.
I would say keep practicing the positioning until you find the most comfortable spot.
Your skin might eventually toughen up a little where the bar rests. I know I usually have a little bit of a bruise where the bar sits.0 -
Should not feel pain from a padded bar at relatively light weights. Video and post wherever. Might even figure out the problem for yourself just by looking at the video.
I should mention that my "pad" is an old baby blanket wrapped around the center of the bar. I realized it is not all that padded. I just beefed it up a bit and it was a little better.
I will try to get some video though as well.0 -
I don't give two craps about using the bar pad. I'm squatting for muscle strength... not skin strength and looking cool. I use a bar pad I bought off of amazon. It wasn't too expensive, and it's a pretty dense foam. It helps a lot. I don't know if it's any better than the blanket you're using... but if the blanket is too soft, it's not really doing much to help soften the bar.
I agree that you could have a placement issue, but I'm inclined to think people know what feels comfortable. Just try different positions until it feels right. From what I see, people seem to put the bar too high, but again, do what feels comfortable.0 -
Since when is a pad frowned upon? Never heard that before. I always use one.0
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do you train back too? Buy a barbell pad for your shoulders.0
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Are you doing high bar or low bar squats? I find low bar is much easier on the back. You could also try front bar.0
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You probably just have the bar situated improperly. Do you squat high bar or low bar?0
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Pinch your shoulder blades to give the bar a place to rest on your traps. You don't want it too high up on the C-7/T-1 vertebral position because that causes pain and can compress the spine. You want it just below T-1, sitting on your traps. With your shoulders pulled back, it should also fit better along the top of the rear delts.
I incorporate shrugs and lat pulldowns into my routine to build my traps up a little. When the whole body is worked, everything works better. IMO, the 5x5 program is great, but doesn't necessarily put enough focus on this part of the body.0 -
Hard to diagnose without seeing you squat, but I would guess improper bar placement and/or not making a "base" with your shoulder blades.
Yep
It takes a bit of getting used to but the soreness should go away, so something with the placement is probably off.0 -
Since when is a pad frowned upon? Never heard that before. I always use one.
A pad is not good for stability of the bar.0 -
Should not feel pain from a padded bar at relatively light weights. Video and post wherever. Might even figure out the problem for yourself just by looking at the video.
I should mention that my "pad" is an old baby blanket wrapped around the center of the bar. I realized it is not all that padded. I just beefed it up a bit and it was a little better.
I will try to get some video though as well.
Wrapping a blanket around the bar is not a good idea. It will impact the stability or the bar on your back and therefore the safety of the lift.0 -
Hard to say without seeing a video, but it is possibly a bar placement or setup issue. Your shoulder blades should be pinched tightly and the bar resting across your traps (for high bar) or scapula shelf (low bar).
At 120lbs, there should be no pain. A bit of discomfort perhaps, but that is it.0 -
The best bet is time and practice. Get used to the feeling of the bar on your back and it will get better. There is nothing wrong with working at a slightly higher rep range with the same weight so you feel more comfortable.
The other point is 'tightness'. Make sure you are in the best position and tightly bracing from the second you are under the bar. There are several videos on good squat setup out there. This will differ depending on whether you are squatting low bar or high bar, but find what works for you with your grip distance etc as well.
With a bit of time the bar will feel fine and you will get used to the feeling of having it on your back.0 -
Listen to OverDolt, he was right. The bar should be lower down, resting on your traps, never on your neck or even high up on the shoulders. I have to get a wider grip on the bar to get the bar that low on my back but your neck/spine will thank you for it. Hope that helped0
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I started doing stronglifts 5x5 in January and my latest squat weight is 120. I can squat this weight and I am sure I can squat more, but I am getting worried about how much more my shoulders can actually hold. My arms and shoulder/back area feel it more than my legs/butt. It hurts.. and it's not a good hurt either!
I am already doing something that I think is frowned upon, and that is padding the bar. If I wasn't doing that I would've been posting weeks ago about this issue.
I am sure I am not the only person to have experienced this. What do you do when you just can't put any more weight on your shoulders?
I had to use a pad for a long time because I had a nerve or vessel on one side that got pinched and would shut off my whole arm on that side within seconds. The pads are expensive but I found that a pool noodle works just as well and costs a fraction of the price. (Just cut off a section and then cut a line along the length of it so you can put it on/off the bar. Then make sure the 'hole' is not where the bar is going to just slide down through it.)
ETA: do try without the pad here and there because, all other things being equal, you are better off without it.0 -
The picture below is about the best I could find for bar position (high vs. low bar). Not only will the pad mess with stability, it also will change angles of the lift. You wouldn't think a 1/2 an inch would make a difference but it does.
You also may simply need to build up your traps a bit also.
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The picture below is about the best I could find for bar position (high vs. low bar). Not only will the pad mess with stability, it also will change angles of the lift. You wouldn't think a 1/2 an inch would make a difference but it does.
You also may simply need to build up your traps a bit also.
I am (I believe) holding it like the picture on the right. I need to get some vid, so I can be sure. I started out like the pic on the left but as the weight got heavier, that started hurting my neck.
When I beefed up my pad, I did notice that the bar felt "wobbly" and I didn't like that.0 -
Sounds like a bar placement problem to me. I would suggest working on your traps and making sure you're creating a base to support the bar (i.e. bar on the traps, shoulders pulled back, elbows down). Think you may see some improvement then. If not, try squatting with a hoodie on & using the hood as a buffer between the bar & your back.0
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