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Hello

I have started running yesterday again after a 3 year break and didn't want to do c25k as I find it boring - I like to stop and start in my own time letting my breathing guide me - now I wear a hrm and my heart rate is sometimes 185 and I feel this is to high and I should possibly stop even if I am not too short of breath and I start running once it's back at 150 - but my partner say I should aim to run for as long as possible and the try to beat that time

Which is better for getting my distance and fitness up?


I hope this makes sense

Thanks

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  • stuffinmuffin
    stuffinmuffin Posts: 985 Member
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    I find I can't run for very long when my heart rate is at 185! My comfy running heart rate is around 175 (I love HRMs!!).

    Personally, just do what is right for you and set your own goals. Do you want to gain speed, distance or just burn some calories for extra food? I've varied all three of those goals through the years I've been running and it's what keeps me motivated. Also use a good running app that will clearly show your progress and improvement. I use Runkeeper but there's many other good ones out there.
  • MinnieInMaine
    MinnieInMaine Posts: 6,400 Member
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    First, just wanted to say I really don't care for C25K either...mostly because of the way it progresses. Just did my own thing and worked on getting better with time.

    Any chance you're feeling other symptoms such as dizziness, fatigue or nausea when your heart rate gets that high? Breathing is not the only indicator of whether or not you should push through. If you feel uncomfortable continuing to run at such a high heart rate, you should walk.

    Sure you should eventually push your limits but you're just getting back to this and need to build up your endurance and cardiovascular health. Give it time and tell your partner to give you a break. :)
  • hill8570
    hill8570 Posts: 1,466 Member
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    Once you've done your basic warm-up and stretch, high-intensity intervals are your fastest way to improve your fitness, although I'd alternate intervals with upper body cross-training -- you really need recovery time doing interval training, and I don't consider a slow distance day to be enough recovery...depends on the runner, 'tho.

    A good HIIT workout would be something like a one-minute flat-out push at your max, followed by a slow jog or walk for four or five minutes. Repeat as your level of fitness allows. If one minute is too long of a push for your level of fitness, drop it back -- the key is the flat-out followed by the slow.
  • gottobethin2014
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    I find I can't run for very long when my heart rate is at 185! My comfy running heart rate is around 175 (I love HRMs!!).

    Personally, just do what is right for you and set your own goals. Do you want to gain speed, distance or just burn some calories for extra food? I've varied all three of those goals through the years I've been running and it's what keeps me motivated. Also use a good running app that will clearly show your progress and improvement. I use Runkeeper but there's many other good ones out there.

    i want distance, fitness and calories lol in that order - i use map my run - yesterday i done 2.11 miles and today 2.22 - i know its not really far but far enough for me to get going
  • gottobethin2014
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    First, just wanted to say I really don't care for C25K either...mostly because of the way it progresses. Just did my own thing and worked on getting better with time.

    Any chance you're feeling other symptoms such as dizziness, fatigue or nausea when your heart rate gets that high? Breathing is not the only indicator of whether or not you should push through. If you feel uncomfortable continuing to run at such a high heart rate, you should walk.

    Sure you should eventually push your limits but you're just getting back to this and need to build up your endurance and cardiovascular health. Give it time and tell your partner to give you a break. :)

    nope no other symptoms at all - i am very aware my breathing is getting faster and then i seem to focus on it and it makes me worse and then i cant controll it at all
  • alexapatel
    alexapatel Posts: 87 Member
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    I ran a mile today for the first time since September and my HR was 192 at the highest and I too questioned whether I needed to stop or not because frankly it freaked me out! I was at like .9 miles and wanted to hit that mile mark so I kept going until 1 mile. I slowed down and then as my heart rate was dropping I felt a little woozy. I don't think I'll push that hard again and keep it around 170-175.
  • KayBallin
    KayBallin Posts: 111 Member
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    I ran a mile today for the first time since September and my HR was 192 at the highest and I too questioned whether I needed to stop or not because frankly it freaked me out! I was at like .9 miles and wanted to hit that mile mark so I kept going until 1 mile. I slowed down and then as my heart rate was dropping I felt a little woozy. I don't think I'll push that hard again and keep it around 170-175.

    This.

    I ran for about 10 minutes alternating between 5.5mph and 6.5. HR got up to 188 and I had to tone it down a bit.

    OP, listen to your body. Even if you run at a comfortable pace, you can increase your distance the longer you do it.
  • NotAResolution
    NotAResolution Posts: 58 Member
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    First off, I'm not a doc :happy: Now that I confessed that, let me tell you what I experienced. I had a medical issue that shut down my running from marathons to nothing quickly. When I started back up, I couldn't run far and my HR was crazy high. I switched over to walking every day and built back up my stamina with that. I got up to 6 mile walks before I started running again every other day. The running speed and distance took a little while, but it came back too. If you keep running or run/walking, you will get your speed, distance and therefore, calorie burn, up in no time.
  • sjaplo
    sjaplo Posts: 974 Member
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    It's not really about how high your heart rate gets, it's about how quickly it returns to normal after you stop exercising. If you have no other symptoms - I would let "perceived effort" guide you on when to slow down.

    cheers
  • mreeves261
    mreeves261 Posts: 728 Member
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    If you hadn't looked at the watch and seen you heart rate at that moment would you have stopped? Probably not. Put the watch somewhere you can't constantly look at it, at least not without stopping your run. Go by what your body tells you. When you get in tune with what your body wants, and not your brain, put the watch back on your wrist. Once you start listening to your body more then you will be able to adjust your speed according to you heart rate. Or at least it's what I had to do.
  • gottobethin2014
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    If you hadn't looked at the watch and seen you heart rate at that moment would you have stopped? Probably not. Put the watch somewhere you can't constantly look at it, at least not without stopping your run. Go by what your body tells you. When you get in tune with what your body wants, and not your brain, put the watch back on your wrist. Once you start listening to your body more then you will be able to adjust your speed according to you heart rate. Or at least it's what I had to do.

    you are probably right i would look at it

    think i will let my body guide me through and see how i go

    thank you for all replies - i am now off to look at HIIT and see what thats about
  • saskie78
    saskie78 Posts: 237 Member
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    Congrats on picking back up on a healthy habit!
  • gottobethin2014
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    Congrats on picking back up on a healthy habit!

    thank you
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
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    A good HIIT workout would be something like a one-minute flat-out push at your max, followed by a slow jog or walk for four or five minutes.

    So fairly relaxed then ;)
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
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    now I wear a hrm and my heart rate is sometimes 185 and I feel this is to high and I should possibly stop even if I am not too short of breath and I start running once it's back at 150 - but my partner say I should aim to run for as long as possible and the try to beat that time

    Heart rate training is one of the ways to improve performance, essentially identify your training range and then try to keep your HR within that range by increasing or reducing your pace. For some sessions that'll be a range that you can sustain for a while, for other sessions you'll pick a range that's sustainable for less time. It has a different effect. For interval training, as alluded to above, HR is less useful as it takes time for the changes in HR to settle, over time the HR tends to increase ina single session, so interval training is just a lot less easy to determine.

    What you're describing is a perfectly reasonable way to improve your performance. You can work on rate of perceived exertion (RPE), and record times or distances to assess your improvement, or you can work on time intervals as in C25K or any of the similar programmes, or you can work on distances.

    There are two risks with RPE, the first is that it depends on your own motivation, you can never be sure that you're chossing to ease back at a comparable point to where you eased back on your previous run. You're not really comparing like with like so while you'll make improvements you may not make them as quickly as you could.

    The second risk is overtraining, you push yourself too far or too fast and end up with a training injury. Using a periodised programme won't prevent that, but it will reduce the risk.

    The main thing is that you're out there and working, as long as you stick with it you'll improve your performance.
  • hill8570
    hill8570 Posts: 1,466 Member
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    A good HIIT workout would be something like a one-minute flat-out push at your max, followed by a slow jog or walk for four or five minutes.

    So fairly relaxed then ;)

    She's new. I'm assuming it'll take a while for her heart rate to come down. Minute on / minute off is probably way too strenuous. Wondering if maybe a 15 second push would be enough. A full minute is a lot when you're first starting out, and I'd hate to see someone injure themselves just starting out.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
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    A good HIIT workout would be something like a one-minute flat-out push at your max, followed by a slow jog or walk for four or five minutes.

    So fairly relaxed then ;)

    She's new. I'm assuming it'll take a while for her heart rate to come down. Minute on / minute off is probably way too strenuous. Wondering if maybe a 15 second push would be enough. A full minute is a lot when you're first starting out, and I'd hate to see someone injure themselves just starting out.

    For someone just getting into running I'd agree that intervals are the way to build up capacity, whilst I've described other ways to get there I'd personally commend time based intervals as the easiest way. Notwithstanding that interval training really only starts to add much benefit when there is an existing aerobic base.

    I'd generally advocate getting to the stage that one can reasonably run 30 minutes continuous steady state before starting to add speedwork. Prior to that speedwork is a recipe for injury and delivers minimal effect anyway. By the time someone can run for 30 minutes they'll have a better feel for the discipline, their form will be improving and the risk of injury is much reduced.

    Then there is potential for a ten minute warm up, twenty minute interval, ten minute cool down to be a sensible session.

    Notwithstanding that I have seen several people on here claim that 1 minute sprint, four minutes walk, repeat five times is a credible CV session for an experienced trainer. Admittedly the same ones that think that all CV work eats muscle.
  • waskier
    waskier Posts: 254 Member
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    Just finished a 9 mile run and my average HR was 139. I'm 46, so I would expect yours to be higher than mine at your age, but not that much. You need to ease into running slowly. It can be very hard on your body initially and your body needs to be able to recover properly. If you want to run faster, run slower. As your body adapts, your HR at a given pace will decrease which will be your sign that you can run faster.

    You are 29. Using the basic calculation, your max HR is 191. You should not be running long distances anywhere near your maximum HR. Grab a training plan off of a website (like Hal Higdon's) and use that as a guide. He discusses HR zones and has great advice.

    Best of luck!