How Very Sad.

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  • Beckboo0912
    Beckboo0912 Posts: 447 Member
    I think for many its hard, especially when you get that big to do much to help yourself abd most already feel depressed enough and have the give in attitude. Thats not to say its right or that they can't change but the first step is hardest for many. So to say how does someone get like that its hard for many to understamd. And more then likely he was enabled from a young age for one reason or another. There is william proudy syndrome...I think thats the name anyway, one of the symptoms is lack of a full switch. Sadly he slipped and didnt get the help needed.
  • willowfae
    willowfae Posts: 8 Member
    whereas others, like myself, in spite of being prone to periods of overeating, and loving food, have some sort of mechanism that stops me passing a certain point. In the sense that, I literally cannot eat beyond a certain point, whatever the kind of food it is, and after a period of eating junk, I tend to naturally gravitate back to healthy food, as I start to feel sick.

    That's where a food addiction comes in. You can thank your lucky stars that you do behave like that :)

    I have sat there crying while eating food. Hating myself for eating it, but still I keep eating it.
  • Danimal718
    Danimal718 Posts: 90 Member
    A reasonable person would never let it go that far. Put on 60 kg of weight while "trying to deal with the overweight problem" is just ridiculous. Im not even sorry for him. At this point, its pretty much evolution 101. Just give him Darwin award, thank him for removing himself from human genome and lets move forward as a species.

    Yea you've probably never been fat or dealt with a weight problem ever. Losing weight is easy...more calories out than in. Finding the root cause and eliminating it for why people consume more and maybe not put out more is the real issue. Your statement is just faulty logic.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    Extreme unhealthy relationships with food are sad. And damaging. At both ends of the spectrum.
    I'm sure it's quite hard on the individuals involved and their loved ones.
  • Graelwyn75
    Graelwyn75 Posts: 4,404 Member
    whereas others, like myself, in spite of being prone to periods of overeating, and loving food, have some sort of mechanism that stops me passing a certain point. In the sense that, I literally cannot eat beyond a certain point, whatever the kind of food it is, and after a period of eating junk, I tend to naturally gravitate back to healthy food, as I start to feel sick.

    That's where a food addiction comes in. You can thank your lucky stars that you do behave like that :)

    I have sat there crying while eating food. Hating myself for eating it, but still I keep eating it.

    Oh, I have done the same, in the sense I have binged on up to 8000 calories in the past, but after a run of eating like that, including the tears and self hatred, I seem to hit a point where I cannot do it anymore. I am very prone to addictions and believe me, I have had to remove certain foods from my home and keep them removed, because I will just keep eating them until they are gone, but the longest I have gone with consistently overeating, is 2 months, and by the end of that, boy was I a mess. I felt like crap, I was riddled with self disgust and it had served to make my depression even worse. I was too ashamed to get back to the gym even, but one day I did. I just went in there and that was that. So I can relate, to a degree.
  • dreams4sale
    dreams4sale Posts: 26
    I would be interested in whatever this article or topic was - because to understand why we become a certain way it is important to explore it and ask the hard questions. Those who are hyper sensitive tend to struggle with weight loss and maintaining it. Honesty is the best policy, sometimes reality is hard to accept, but without that "getting real", lifestyle changes are not possible.



    Agreed^
  • Mygsds
    Mygsds Posts: 1,564 Member
    Quote from other poster:

    A reasonable person would never let it go that far. Put on 60 kg of weight while "trying to deal with the overweight problem" is just ridiculous. Im not even sorry for him. At this point, its pretty much evolution 101. Just give him Darwin award, thank him for removing himself from human genome and lets move forward as a species.


    When I read this I was shocked... Who are you to say if someone should be here or not. Are you that perfect that you have no flaws?. You better check yourself because you have a PROBLEM..why don't you ask his family if he should be here or not...
  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
    The article said he was using stolen credit card information to purchase pizzas and have them delivered to his home. He clearly had some mental health issues that go well beyond just not paying attention to diet, not exercising, and letting oneself go. It's a shame that he wasn't able to get the type of help he needed, since it seems like he had pursued assistance in losing weight in the past.
  • matuskap
    matuskap Posts: 131 Member
    But that is exactly my point. There is thousands of people who destroy themselves via some kind of abuse. The only difference is, this one used food. No different from heroin, cocaine or anything else. Whatever his problem was, he wasnt able to deal with it himself. Now you can play a psychologist and talk about this for ages. But in reality the only way to solve anything like this is to take a person like this, forcefully put him into a special institute where he gets forced to deal with it to >>forcefully<< show him how life of a healthy person feels like(because he actually doesnt even know). Now, ask an average person if he agrees with forced treatment like this and if it is moral. And still, if you ask a healthy person who was fat if he ever went back no one will say yes. But a fat person will tell you its his life, even tho he doesnt know the other side or how it would be. Am i gonna pity a person who destroys his life with some kind of abuse? No. And I am also not going to pretend some moral high ground by saying how sad it is and how its a problem of society. Yes it is problem of society, but only because this kind of "addiction denial" is allowed. Addict wont admit problem. So force him to at least try the other side of coin or let him kill himself and then cry because its sad and you think we should do something about it... Well there is a cycle for you to think about. Or do you have some magic solution? A free call line that gives advice...? Well i dont know you tell me.
  • Graelwyn75
    Graelwyn75 Posts: 4,404 Member
    I would be interested in whatever this article or topic was - because to understand why we become a certain way it is important to explore it and ask the hard questions. Those who are hyper sensitive tend to struggle with weight loss and maintaining it. Honesty is the best policy, sometimes reality is hard to accept, but without that "getting real", lifestyle changes are not possible.



    Agreed^

    The article is still linked in the first post.
  • GertrudeHorse
    GertrudeHorse Posts: 646 Member
    I think it's legitimate to wonder how the circumstances outlined in the article come to pass but the piece doesn't address what support if any was available to the poor man. I would like to know more about the differences between normal obesity and super obesity as I remain to be convinced that the two are linked.

    I do not think he got much in the way of support. It appears he simply became a recluse and disappeared off the radar once he did. That seems to be the basis for a lot of the comments on the article...where was his support and why are those who reach this point, not given the same sort of services as those with other eating disorders.

    That's a very good point. You hear about anorexia and bulimia sufferers getting various forms of support and treatment both physical and psychological but I've never heard of obese or morbidly obese people getting that level of care on the NHS.

    I think anorexia and bulimia are at least given the credence of being a disorder or disease whereas the morbidly obese are just treated as fat and lazy. This may not be the case but it certainly comes across that way. I have honestly never heard of an overweight person being offered counselling or treatment (just gastric band after a certain weight).

    I agree. I also think a lot of that societal judgement of fat people (e.g. lazy, gross, dumb, greedy, etc) provides a barrier to getting help. In any event, what happened to this individual is very sad and upsetting. It is clear they had some sort of mental illness and were attempting to self-medicate through food. It's very tragic he didn't get the necessary help before it was too late.
  • Slacker16
    Slacker16 Posts: 1,184 Member
    You know, I know someone IRL who is on the exact same road this guy was on (no, not me).

    Constantly over-eating to self-medicate depression... and the bigger he got the more depressed he was. He became a shut-in at the age of 20. I haven't really kept in touch, but last I heard he couldn't stand on his feet for more than 30 mins (doctor's orders).

    Hadn't thought of him in years.
  • Bammitssamm
    Bammitssamm Posts: 27 Member
    But that is exactly my point. There is thousands of people who destroy themselves via some kind of abuse. The only difference is, this one used food. No different from heroin, cocaine or anything else. Whatever his problem was, he wasnt able to deal with it himself. Now you can play a psychologist and talk about this for ages. But in reality the only way to solve anything like this is to take a person like this, forcefully put him into a special institute where he gets forced to deal with it to >>forcefully<< show him how life of a healthy person feels like(because he actually doesnt even know). Now, ask an average person if he agrees with forced treatment like this and if it is moral. And still, if you ask a healthy person who was fat if he ever went back no one will say yes. But a fat person will tell you its his life, even tho he doesnt know the other side or how it would be. Am i gonna pity a person who destroys his life with some kind of abuse? No. And I am also not going to pretend some moral high ground by saying how sad it is and how its a problem of society. Yes it is problem of society, but only because this kind of "addiction denial" is allowed. Addict wont admit problem. So force him to at least try the other side of coin or let him kill himself and then cry because its sad and you think we should do something about it... Well there is a cycle for you to think about. Or do you have some magic solution? A free call line that gives advice...? Well i dont know you tell me.

    You can't force anyone to do anything. Both my parents were addicts, unfortunately I got stuck with an extremely addictive personality. When I was younger, I was addicted off of pills until I was in the hospital. When I realized that was bad, I started shopping until I was flat out broke. It continues on and on. I even used food as a "filler" when I couldn't do drugs or I couldn't shop or whatnot and I gained lots of weight because of it. Luckily I never fell into anything too terrible and now i'm replacing food, shopping, drugs ect with exercise and work. Addiction is a serious problem, and I find myself lucky to catch myself falling into it but others aren't as lucky and they have to be dealt with a different way. I really do not believe he had the support he needed, and it's a lot easier for someone in that state to just continue with their lifestyle as opposed to actually changing it by themselves.

    So in other words, do your research, have an open mind and be more compassionate. You just sound like an ignorant jerk.

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