Is being in ketosis nessesary for low carb weight loss

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  • EHisCDN
    EHisCDN Posts: 480 Member
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    You don't have to worry about your cheat meal - I have done low carb before and always had a cheat meal a week and successfully lost weight.

    My problem is that after about 3 months - I would be craving sugars and junk food so badly that I would go off of it and just go completely overboard on eating the junk food again and gain it all back. That is why I am now trying to do calorie counting and included junk foods that I like, so that maybe I can maintain it for a lifetime.

    Good luck on low carb! I know I felt so much better on it!

    This is a common experience with low carb diets. Eventually, willpower gives out and you start to eat the foods you haven't "allowed" yourself for so long. You quickly fall back into old eating patterns and gain the weight back. I prefer plans and methods that don't needlessly restrict very specific foods, or categories of foods, entirely. This helps one learn moderation with all foods and not feel unnecessarily restricted in food choices. IMO low carb is not a way to set yourself up for life.

    QFT. If you're in a calorie deficit you'll lose weight. How you achieve that calorie deficit is up to you. I'm of the opinion that compliance is a big indicator of long term success, for me low carb or super low calories (I realize they're not the same) would present issues with long term compliance. I'll stick to eating everything at a moderate deficit. Good luck.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    This is a common experience with low carb diets. Eventually, willpower gives out and you start to eat the foods you haven't "allowed" yourself for so long. You quickly fall back into old eating patterns and gain the weight back. I prefer plans and methods that don't needlessly restrict very specific foods, or categories of foods, entirely. This helps one learn moderation with all foods and not feel unnecessarily restricted in food choices. IMO low carb is not a way to set yourself up for life.
    Count me as a low carb loser and calorie/macro tracking maintainer. My low carb losing weight phase set me up for a healthy life.
    80 carbs a day seemed to be my magic number.

    Your profile says you lost 48 pounds between December 2012 and April 2013. You logged for a significant portion of that time period, and you seem to average well over 100, with occasional forays above 200. I don't see a single day you approached carbs representing single-digit percentages of total caloric intake. Maybe I'm missing something?
  • tiffanycherie
    tiffanycherie Posts: 97 Member
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    http://authoritynutrition.com/how-many-carbs-per-day-to-lose-weight/

    This is a pretty good article.

    I am keeping my carbs to 50grams a day but, I have also experimented with carbs and usually my weight loss doesnt slow down unless I go over 90 carbs a day.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    "Metabolically deranged" is the phrase of the day.
  • whovian67
    whovian67 Posts: 608 Member
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    Read about being in ketosis...not good....(lay persons can read about it on WebMD... clinical research trial results are posted at many universities sites.... Used to make me crazy when people would do Atkins and talk about Ketosis as a good thing.. I think of it as your brain full of Urine :)
  • ladymiseryali
    ladymiseryali Posts: 2,555 Member
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    Read about being in ketosis...not good....(lay persons can read about it on WebMD... clinical research trial results are posted at many universities sites.... Used to make me crazy when people would do Atkins and talk about Ketosis as a good thing.. I think of it as your brain full of Urine :)

    Are you sure you're not confusing ketosis with ketoacidosis? My brain isn't full of urine whatsoever. I have more energy and the weight loss has been phenomenal for me.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    I love that people are arguing whether their brains are full of urine or not.
  • ALNoog
    ALNoog Posts: 413 Member
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    Read about being in ketosis...not good....(lay persons can read about it on WebMD... clinical research trial results are posted at many universities sites.... Used to make me crazy when people would do Atkins and talk about Ketosis as a good thing.. I think of it as your brain full of Urine :)

    Ummmm
    Say what?
  • meglizbo
    meglizbo Posts: 42
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    I think the book called The Carb Nite could be an interesting read for you...from my understanding it is essentially what you are already doing, but don't hold me to that 100%!
  • albertabeefy
    albertabeefy Posts: 1,169 Member
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    If you're having only one cheat meal per week you're certainly NOT going out of ketosis ever, let alone on a regular basis.

    A couple times a week I will eat 100 - 120g of carbohydrate in a day (this typically represents 12-13% of calories from carbohydrate) and never leave ketosis - but I'm very metabolically active.

    The folks saying a caloric deficit causes weight-loss are absolutely correct. For many people there's no real reason to be low-carb. Low-carb ketogenic diets are great for losing fat while retaining lean-mass, and they're superior to any other diet for glycemic control.

    So if you are insulin-resistant (for any reason), it's the diet of choice. Even if you're not diagnosed insulin-resistant BUT you're morbidly obese, it's also considered by many bariatric physicians the diet of choice.

    Many epileptics also choose a low-carb diet as certain types of seizures are associated with glucose-transporter protein deficiency syndrome (ie, DeVivo disease) or pyruvate-dehydrogenase-complex-deficiency - in those two epileptic circumstances it's not just the diet of choice, but the TREATMENT of choice.
  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
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    Your profile says you lost 48 pounds between December 2012 and April 2013. You logged for a significant portion of that time period, and you seem to average well over 100, with occasional forays above 200. I don't see a single day you approached carbs representing single-digit percentages of total caloric intake. Maybe I'm missing something?
    I didn't join here and start logging until I was transitioning to a "regular" diet.
  • suziecue66
    suziecue66 Posts: 1,312 Member
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    You don't have to worry about your cheat meal - I have done low carb before and always had a cheat meal a week and successfully lost weight.

    My problem is that after about 3 months - I would be craving sugars and junk food so badly that I would go off of it and just go completely overboard on eating the junk food again and gain it all back. That is why I am now trying to do calorie counting and included junk foods that I like, so that maybe I can maintain it for a lifetime.

    Good luck on low carb! I know I felt so much better on it!

    This is a common experience with low carb diets. Eventually, willpower gives out and you start to eat the foods you haven't "allowed" yourself for so long. You quickly fall back into old eating patterns and gain the weight back. I prefer plans and methods that don't needlessly restrict very specific foods, or categories of foods, entirely. This helps one learn moderation with all foods and not feel unnecessarily restricted in food choices. IMO low carb is not a way to set yourself up for life.

    Im asking people who know about low carb. You are here just being negative giving your unwanted opinion.

    They do know about low carb. I didn't see it as being negative just giving their opinion and experience on it. All can comment, just ignore what you don't like.
  • MyiahRose
    MyiahRose Posts: 183 Member
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    You don't have to worry about your cheat meal - I have done low carb before and always had a cheat meal a week and successfully lost weight.

    My problem is that after about 3 months - I would be craving sugars and junk food so badly that I would go off of it and just go completely overboard on eating the junk food again and gain it all back. That is why I am now trying to do calorie counting and included junk foods that I like, so that maybe I can maintain it for a lifetime.

    Good luck on low carb! I know I felt so much better on it!

    This is a common experience with low carb diets. Eventually, willpower gives out and you start to eat the foods you haven't "allowed" yourself for so long. You quickly fall back into old eating patterns and gain the weight back. I prefer plans and methods that don't needlessly restrict very specific foods, or categories of foods, entirely. This helps one learn moderation with all foods and not feel unnecessarily restricted in food choices. IMO low carb is not a way to set yourself up for life.

    Im asking people who know about low carb. You are here just being negative giving your unwanted opinion.

    They do know about low carb. I didn't see it as being negative just giving their opinion and experience on it. All can comment, just ignore what you don't like.

    I was referring to Jonnythan who clearly doesnt know anything and is here being negative.
  • Miamiuu
    Miamiuu Posts: 262 Member
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    I usually try to have a little bit of a calorie deficit while I low carb because I have never read anything that specifically stated how much fat the body burns in a period of time while in ketosis.
  • millsrobm
    millsrobm Posts: 62 Member
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    You don't have to worry about your cheat meal - I have done low carb before and always had a cheat meal a week and successfully lost weight.

    My problem is that after about 3 months - I would be craving sugars and junk food so badly that I would go off of it and just go completely overboard on eating the junk food again and gain it all back. That is why I am now trying to do calorie counting and included junk foods that I like, so that maybe I can maintain it for a lifetime.

    Good luck on low carb! I know I felt so much better on it!

    This is a common experience with low carb diets. Eventually, willpower gives out and you start to eat the foods you haven't "allowed" yourself for so long. You quickly fall back into old eating patterns and gain the weight back. I prefer plans and methods that don't needlessly restrict very specific foods, or categories of foods, entirely. This helps one learn moderation with all foods and not feel unnecessarily restricted in food choices. IMO low carb is not a way to set yourself up for life.

    Im asking people who know about low carb. You are here just being negative giving your unwanted opinion.

    They do know about low carb. I didn't see it as being negative just giving their opinion and experience on it. All can comment, just ignore what you don't like.

    I was referring to Jonnythan who clearly doesnt know anything and is here being negative.

    Wha? He has lost 60 pounds and clearly knows nothing? Why do people insist on making things harder than they have to be? You don't have to go to extremes to lose weight.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    Your profile says you lost 48 pounds between December 2012 and April 2013. You logged for a significant portion of that time period, and you seem to average well over 100, with occasional forays above 200. I don't see a single day you approached carbs representing single-digit percentages of total caloric intake. Maybe I'm missing something?
    I didn't join here and start logging until I was transitioning to a "regular" diet.

    So you did low carb between Thanksgiving 2012 and December 3, 2012?

    "After Thanksgiving 2012 I weighed more than ever and was determined to lose weight and get in shape before my 40th birthday (March 30, 2013). I started Medifast December 3, 2012 and 4 months later I was below my goal weight with a total loss of 48 pounds."

    Medifast isn't low carb. You started logging February 15, 2013 and you didn't log a single day of single-digit-percentage of calories from carbs. So when was the low carb that made you a "low carb loser and calorie/macro tracking maintainer"?
  • corgarian
    corgarian Posts: 366 Member
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    didnt read everyones comments so it may have been said already.

    I do low carb so this is from experience.

    You can still lose weight, but when you do your cheat meal your body will react to those carbs. Like last saturday I had a which wich sandwich (delicious, no regrets), but I was bloated and gassy for the next 4 days, and my weight went up 5 pounds for a few days. My body has regulated now and I'm down those 5 pounds plus another pound and a half!

    So what I guess I'm saying, is you an absolutly have that delicious cheat meal, but I'd recommend locking up the scale for the next 3-5 days so the number of your body reacting doesnt freak you out.
  • GinaRicky
    GinaRicky Posts: 38 Member
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    Have you review The 100 by Jorge Cruise? It is low carb but with low cravings and no Ketosis.