Meal timing means everything, and I can prove it!

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DeadliftAddict
DeadliftAddict Posts: 746 Member
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Just kidding folks. I just wanted to see how many people was ready to come in here all butt hurt and ready to rip me a new one. Just think of it as a after April fools, April fools joke. But hey, maybe we can help the newbies. For all newbies, MEAL TIMING MEANS NOTHING! I do IF and don't eat my first meal till around noon each day. And it usually is a big one. Another thing, If you don't like eating a bunch of small meals, you don't have to. Just eat your food with a slight caloric deficit. Don't drop so many calories all at once. You won't have any calories to drop once you hit your first plateau. If you do drop a bunch you are going to feel like crap from having to drop them again after already being so low. One more for the road. Don't think you have to cut out all of the things you enjoy eating to make yourself to a stronger, faster, healthier version of you. This won't work as a life style change if you are afraid of that piece of chocolate cake for the rest of your life.

Put any myths the newbies should know about in here. Have a nice day. :tongue: :laugh: :tongue: :laugh:
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  • theJTfitness
    theJTfitness Posts: 142 Member
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    Not gonna lie, for about 5 seconds I was ready to come in this thread guns blazing. Well played sir.

    IN for this thread full of myths.
  • trojan_bb
    trojan_bb Posts: 699 Member
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    "For all newbies, MEAL TIMING MEANS NOTHING"

    wrong.


    just this leucine component disproves that religious statement of yours. The statement "meal timing is irrelevant" means there is no increase in protein synthesis triggered by post workout protein and/or leucine ingestion. Demonstrably false.

    IIFYM does not mean you can eat 100% of your protein at one single time of the day and achieve maximal protein synthesis. you cannot. Impossible. Even Martin Berkham, the guy who popularized IF, calls for BCAA supplementation when training falls outside the eating period. That does not jive with "meal timing means nothing".

    http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/5

    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/288/4/E645

    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/2/533S.full


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22357161

    http://www.nutritionj.com/content/13/1/9


    "You won't have any calories to drop once you hit your first plateau."

    False. There is no metabolism plateau caused by dropping calories too low, too quickly. (unless calories are dropped to extreme low levels which is a separate discussion)
  • DeadliftAddict
    DeadliftAddict Posts: 746 Member
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    "For all newbies, MEAL TIMING MEANS NOTHING"

    wrong.


    just this leucine component disproves that religious statement of yours. The statement "meal timing is irrelevant" means there is no increase in protein synthesis triggered by post workout protein and/or leucine ingestion. Demonstrably false.

    IIFYM does not mean you can eat 100% of your protein at one single time of the day and achieve maximal protein synthesis. you cannot. Impossible.

    http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/5

    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/288/4/E645

    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/2/533S.full


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22357161

    http://www.nutritionj.com/content/13/1/9


    "You won't have any calories to drop once you hit your first plateau."

    False. There is no metabolism plateau caused by dropping calories too low, too quickly.


    There is no advantage in eating 30 grams of protein every two hours or getting the same ending amount in three meals. The body don't give a dang. You can find any study to prove a point. You can find a link to any site that goes with what you want it to.
  • trojan_bb
    trojan_bb Posts: 699 Member
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    There is no advantage in eating 30 grams of protein every two hours or getting the same ending amount in three meals. The body don't give a dang. You can find any study to prove a point. You can find a link to any site that goes with what you want it to.

    That is entirely different than your statement "meal timing means nothing"

    You are taking scientific conclusions and changing the interpretation far beyond the scope of the original discussion.

    IIFYM and IF have been hijacked by some very anti-science and ill informed message board posters and distorted far beyond their original meanings. IIFYM has never meant that you can eat 100% protein at 8 am, train at 8pm and achieve maximum muscle growth. You cannot.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
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    i will throw in my .02..

    for the average person trying to lose weight and retain some muscle mass meal timing means nothing…

    for some that is competitive body builder and/or power lifting then there may be some advantage to timing intake with pre and post workout cycles…

    It is a matter of perspective..

    but for most on this site, meal timing is pretty much irrelevant...
  • DeadliftAddict
    DeadliftAddict Posts: 746 Member
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    "For all newbies, MEAL TIMING MEANS NOTHING"

    wrong.


    just this leucine component disproves that religious statement of yours. The statement "meal timing is irrelevant" means there is no increase in protein synthesis triggered by post workout protein and/or leucine ingestion. Demonstrably false.

    IIFYM does not mean you can eat 100% of your protein at one single time of the day and achieve maximal protein synthesis. you cannot. Impossible. Even Martin Berkham, the guy who popularized IF, calls for BCAA supplementation when training falls outside the eating period. That does not jive with "meal timing means nothing".

    http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/5

    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/288/4/E645

    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/2/533S.full


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22357161

    http://www.nutritionj.com/content/13/1/9


    "You won't have any calories to drop once you hit your first plateau."

    False. There is no metabolism plateau caused by dropping calories too low, too quickly.


    And to that. People want to use the word "maximal" or "optimal". Maximal doesn't matter to most people on here. Cause most people on here are looking to improve and get in great shape, but are not going on a stage at anytime in their life.
  • trojan_bb
    trojan_bb Posts: 699 Member
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    "For all newbies, MEAL TIMING MEANS NOTHING"

    wrong.


    just this leucine component disproves that religious statement of yours. The statement "meal timing is irrelevant" means there is no increase in protein synthesis triggered by post workout protein and/or leucine ingestion. Demonstrably false.

    IIFYM does not mean you can eat 100% of your protein at one single time of the day and achieve maximal protein synthesis. you cannot. Impossible. Even Martin Berkham, the guy who popularized IF, calls for BCAA supplementation when training falls outside the eating period. That does not jive with "meal timing means nothing".

    http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/5

    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/288/4/E645

    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/2/533S.full


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22357161

    http://www.nutritionj.com/content/13/1/9


    "You won't have any calories to drop once you hit your first plateau."

    False. There is no metabolism plateau caused by dropping calories too low, too quickly.


    And to that. People want to use the word "maximal" or "optimal". Maximal doesn't matter to most people on here. Cause most people on here are looking to improve and get in great shape, but are not going on a stage at anytime in their life.

    Then state that up front. Your black and white statements are false and misleading. Those of us who care, will actually attempt to achieve optimality while weighing the costs (effort spent, money spent, etc)
  • beardedwarriortx
    beardedwarriortx Posts: 238 Member
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    As with all things, every ones body is different and responds differently. We waste to much of our lives looking around and not looking with in. What works for me might not work for Bob. Simple and true.
  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
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    Then state that up front. Your black and white statements are false and misleading. Those of us who care, will actually attempt to achieve optimality while weighing the costs (effort spent, money spent, etc)

    Yep. Not that a random unsupported post in Food and Nutrition would change anything.
  • DeadliftAddict
    DeadliftAddict Posts: 746 Member
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    There is no advantage in eating 30 grams of protein every two hours or getting the same ending amount in three meals. The body don't give a dang. You can find any study to prove a point. You can find a link to any site that goes with what you want it to.

    That is entirely different than your statement "meal timing means nothing"

    You are taking scientific conclusions and changing the interpretation far beyond the scope of the original discussion.

    IIFYM and IF have been hijacked by some very anti-science and ill informed message board posters and distorted far beyond their original meanings. IIFYM has never meant that you can eat 100% protein at 8 am, train at 8pm and achieve maximum muscle growth. You cannot.


    No, you took it that way. Yeah, I typed nothing and probably should have typed irrelevant in most cases. Anything I put in here goes for the type of people on here. You probably aren't coming to MFP if you need optimal results to walk on a stage.
  • trojan_bb
    trojan_bb Posts: 699 Member
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    There is no advantage in eating 30 grams of protein every two hours or getting the same ending amount in three meals. The body don't give a dang. You can find any study to prove a point. You can find a link to any site that goes with what you want it to.

    That is entirely different than your statement "meal timing means nothing"

    You are taking scientific conclusions and changing the interpretation far beyond the scope of the original discussion.

    IIFYM and IF have been hijacked by some very anti-science and ill informed message board posters and distorted far beyond their original meanings. IIFYM has never meant that you can eat 100% protein at 8 am, train at 8pm and achieve maximum muscle growth. You cannot.


    No, you took it that way. Yeah, I typed nothing and probably should have typed irrelevant in most cases. Anything I put in here goes for the type of people on here. You probably aren't coming to MFP if you need optimal results to walk on a stage.

    I think most people on any fitness site are trying to at least get the most bang for their buck. That means some discussion of meal timing is important. It does everyone a disservice to completely ignore it because it doesnt matter to the lowest common denominator.

    This is why i stay out of the nutrition section here, but saw this thread title on the sidebar and wanted to say something.

    The anti-science and dogma is getting out of hand everywhere, not just MFP
  • DeadliftAddict
    DeadliftAddict Posts: 746 Member
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    There is no advantage in eating 30 grams of protein every two hours or getting the same ending amount in three meals. The body don't give a dang. You can find any study to prove a point. You can find a link to any site that goes with what you want it to.

    That is entirely different than your statement "meal timing means nothing"

    You are taking scientific conclusions and changing the interpretation far beyond the scope of the original discussion.

    IIFYM and IF have been hijacked by some very anti-science and ill informed message board posters and distorted far beyond their original meanings. IIFYM has never meant that you can eat 100% protein at 8 am, train at 8pm and achieve maximum muscle growth. You cannot.


    No, you took it that way. Yeah, I typed nothing and probably should have typed irrelevant in most cases. Anything I put in here goes for the type of people on here. You probably aren't coming to MFP if you need optimal results to walk on a stage.

    I think most people on any fitness site are trying to at least get the most bang for their buck. That means some discussion of meal timing is important. It does everyone a disservice to completely ignore it because it doesnt matter to the lowest common denominator.

    This is why i stay out of the nutrition section here, but saw this thread title on the sidebar and wanted to say something.

    The anti-science and dogma is getting out of hand everywhere, not just MFP


    The topic line was to get you in here. What you put afterwards is up to you. Your links may help someone. For most of the users or co-workers that ask me questions from seeing my body change from the start of my journey. They need it real simple and aren't going for optimal or maximal. They want it simple. I've done all the study stuff and went with what worked the easiest. Now, if I ever decide to get on stage. I will use other methods I've been taught.
  • laurie04427
    laurie04427 Posts: 421 Member
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    Okay I admit I clicked and was expecting to see a before and after pic and that all your success was due to this.

    Geesh I got a ways to go lol.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
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    i will throw in my .02..

    for the average person trying to lose weight and retain some muscle mass meal timing means nothing…

    for some that is competitive body builder and/or power lifting then there may be some advantage to timing intake with pre and post workout cycles…

    It is a matter of perspective..

    but for most on this site, meal timing is pretty much irrelevant...

    what I was going to say.
  • somefitsomefat
    somefitsomefat Posts: 445 Member
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    Yes, but what about peanut butter jelly timing???????
  • Pirate_chick
    Pirate_chick Posts: 1,216 Member
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    Yes, but what about peanut butter jelly timing???????

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  • lilRicki
    lilRicki Posts: 4,555 Member
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    Yes, but what about peanut butter jelly timing???????

    That happens after my post workout smoothie
  • shane_tac1
    shane_tac1 Posts: 35 Member
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    I don't think the OP was trying to mislead anyone was just trying to say to the average Joe not to get overwhelmed thinking ahhh its past noon and I haven't eaten 3 meals yet.

    Here is a study on post workout protein which was funded by GNC.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17679046
    The creatine groups post workout gained more muscle (max of 5lb increase in 12 weeks) then the protein guys (2lb increase in 12 weeks). So this shows that simply taking creatine post workout is more effective then having a protein shake afterwards. I still do it though as its like a ritual :)

    You can find studies to support whatever stance you want to take, and with most of them being funded by the the food industry and the supplement industry its very hard to trust the outcome anyway. The results can often be open to interpretation. In the bb and fitness industry as a whole there is more bro science then actual science floating around so I think the average joe would just get very confused about what they should and should not be doing.
  • DeadliftAddict
    DeadliftAddict Posts: 746 Member
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    Yes, but what about peanut butter jelly timing???????

    its_always_peanut_butter_jelly_time_t_shirts-rd03e30237f9b4173a6c5b29fc7c0e8ac_8nhmi_324.jpg

    I need this shirt.
  • DeadliftAddict
    DeadliftAddict Posts: 746 Member
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    I don't think the OP was trying to mislead anyone was just trying to say to the average Joe not to get overwhelmed thinking ahhh its past noon and I haven't eaten 3 meals yet.

    Here is a study on post workout protein which was funded by GNC.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17679046
    The creatine groups post workout gained more muscle (max of 5lb increase in 12 weeks) then the protein guys (2lb increase in 12 weeks). So this shows that simply taking creatine post workout is more effective then having a protein shake afterwards. I still do it though as its like a ritual :)

    You can find studies to support whatever stance you want to take, and with most of them being funded by the the food industry and the supplement industry its very hard to trust the outcome anyway. The results can often be open to interpretation. In the bb and fitness industry as a whole there is more bro science then actual science floating around so I think the average joe would just get very confused about what they should and should not be doing.


    Exactly what I was stating. Great point on the billion dollar food industry and supplement industry.

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