Food Addiction
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Food addiction sounds more like disordered eating to me, IMO...0
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For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
If you want to have a serious conversation, fine. If you're just going to be condescending, just leave and don't come back.
It's difficult for me to have a serious conversation about "food addiction" when I think it's a load of BS, but whatever.
*giggle*
Wow, you have no compassion whatsoever.
Food addiction is REAL. I live with someone that is addicted to sugar. Has withdrawal symptoms just like an alcoholic or drug addict.
Are you so perfect that you think that it is made up or something??? Well, its NOT.
So what happens when they eat any fruit or any carb at all? What about lactose etc? What if they eat a few eggs which has evil sugar in them? Goes nuts on them?0 -
Oh brother. Typical response from you.
^^^^For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
If you want to have a serious conversation, fine. If you're just going to be condescending, just leave and don't come back.
+1. There are peer-reviewed articles with excellent research showing the effects of eating/overeating on the brain. Those with food addiction have the same change in dopamine receptors as those addicted to alcohol, cocaine, gambling and sex.
Now I'm giggling - at you rushbabe!
http://foodaddictioninstitute.org/scientific-research/physical-craving-and-food-addiction-a-scientific-review/
Peer-reviewed articles (you DO know what a peer-reviewed article is, right RushBabe? :huh: )
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0074832
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11280926
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12055324
Food addiction is very real. Those who tell you otherwise are:
1) Ignorant
2) In denial
3) Selling something
If people want to start comparing eating to drug addiction and start ranting about dopamine release, you know what else increases dopamine?
Thrill seeking activities
Setting goals and achieving them
Thyrosin
Sleep
Exercise
Why is it people don't take one of those routes but instead choose cake, cookies, McDonalds etc.....
No alcoholic blackout. Have you ever suffered from alcoholism? Have you ever been addicted to drugs? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
No, but I'm a nurse and I work with alcoholics and drug addicts literally every working day.No [food] blackout. Have you ever suffered from [food]holism? Have you ever been addicted to [food]? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
Actually, thrill-seeking personalities do have a kind of addiction to the adrenaline rush of thrill-seeking activities. People with depression tend to sleep - a lot - and chronic depression is known to be an imbalance of brain chemistry. I've known people who will exercise to the point of exhaustion or injury . . . hmmmmmmmmmm
As an addiction counselor - food can absolutely be an addiction. ANYTHING that causes a dopamine release and feelings of pleasure can become addictive. This can include
Any drug
Alcohol
Food
Sex
Internet Use
Gaming
Shopping
Pornography
Exercise
Gambling
Bodybuilding
Shoplifting
Coffee
TV
ETA - Tanning!
And the list grows on...
Anyone who denies that food can be an addiction is very misinformed and obviously knows nothing about addictions (which would not be shocking, considering most people are addicted to something and have no clue) You can also check the DSM-5 and notice that the 7 categories that would need to be answered "yes" can be applied to food. (Including withdrawals, preoccupation, failed attempts to control, guilt, etc.)0 -
If I don't know what it's like to be an alcoholic, you don't know what it's like to be a foodaholic. THAT was my point.
If you are an EMT then you know this: ETOH turns to SUGAR in your system, right? What did the studies on food addiction show? That most food addicts are addicted to SUGARY foods. Is it really such a stretch to believe that if one can be addicted to sugar in ETOH form, another can be addicted to sugar in food form?
Cocaine also indirectly effects the blood sugar: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/recreational-drugs/cocaine.html .
You say you listen to your patients' symptoms and equate them with diagnoses, but you won't listen to those of us dealing with this problem OR the scientific data to support our position? I'm glad you're in NYC. Stay there because we don't need another closed minded EMT here.
Um, no. Ethanol does not turn into sugar.
C2H6O (Ethanol) → C2H4O (Acetaldehyde) → C2H4O2 (acetic Acid) → Acetyl-CoA → 3H2O + 2CO2
But virtually all foods - carbohydrates, fats and protein (via gluconeogenesis) - do turn into sugar.0 -
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I actually read the book "Your Food is Fooling You" a few months ago, and it was an extremely insightful read.
Willpower is key, but food addition is real. Addiction to crack, heroine, nicotine, etc is real and no one sits around calling it "a load of bs". Well, narcissists with an inability to sympathize with the emotions, experiences or feelings of anyone but themselves might, but that can't be helped.
I like comedian Bill Engval's take on willpower:
"People keep asking me 'how'd you do it? How'd you quit smoking?' And I look at them confused and say "Well...I quit putting them in my mouth and lighting them."
Same applies to food. Unfortunately.0 -
Exactly!As an addiction counselor - food can absolutely be an addiction. ANYTHING that causes a dopamine release and feelings of pleasure can become addictive.
Anyone who denies that food can be an addiction is very misinformed and obviously knows nothing about addictions (which would not be shocking, considering most people are addicted to something and have no clue) You can also check the DSM-5 and notice that the 7 categories that would need to be answered "yes" can be applied to food. (Including withdrawals, preoccupation, failed attempts to control, guilt, etc.)0 -
Oh brother. Typical response from you.
^^^^For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
If you want to have a serious conversation, fine. If you're just going to be condescending, just leave and don't come back.
+1. There are peer-reviewed articles with excellent research showing the effects of eating/overeating on the brain. Those with food addiction have the same change in dopamine receptors as those addicted to alcohol, cocaine, gambling and sex.
Now I'm giggling - at you rushbabe!
http://foodaddictioninstitute.org/scientific-research/physical-craving-and-food-addiction-a-scientific-review/
Peer-reviewed articles (you DO know what a peer-reviewed article is, right RushBabe? :huh: )
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0074832
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11280926
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12055324
Food addiction is very real. Those who tell you otherwise are:
1) Ignorant
2) In denial
3) Selling something
If people want to start comparing eating to drug addiction and start ranting about dopamine release, you know what else increases dopamine?
Thrill seeking activities
Setting goals and achieving them
Thyrosin
Sleep
Exercise
Why is it people don't take one of those routes but instead choose cake, cookies, McDonalds etc.....
No alcoholic blackout. Have you ever suffered from alcoholism? Have you ever been addicted to drugs? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
No, but I'm a nurse and I work with alcoholics and drug addicts literally every working day.No [food] blackout. Have you ever suffered from [food]holism? Have you ever been addicted to [food]? People love to compare them without ever having first hand knowledge.
Actually, thrill-seeking personalities do have a kind of addiction to the adrenaline rush of thrill-seeking activities. People with depression tend to sleep - a lot - and chronic depression is known to be an imbalance of brain chemistry. I've known people who will exercise to the point of exhaustion or injury . . . hmmmmmmmmmm
As an addiction counselor - food can absolutely be an addiction. ANYTHING that causes a dopamine release and feelings of pleasure can become addictive. This can include
Any drug
Alcohol
Food
Sex
Internet Use
Gaming
Shopping
Pornography
Exercise
Gambling
Bodybuilding
Shoplifting
Coffee
TV
ETA - Tanning!
And the list grows on...
Anyone who denies that food can be an addiction is very misinformed and obviously knows nothing about addictions (which would not be shocking, considering most people are addicted to something and have no clue) You can also check the DSM-5 and notice that the 7 categories that would need to be answered "yes" can be applied to food. (Including withdrawals, preoccupation, failed attempts to control, guilt, etc.)
The DSM-5 labels them as disorders, which is not a medical condition, but a psychological one.
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Substance Use Disorder Fact Sheet.pdf0 -
BOOMIf I don't know what it's like to be an alcoholic, you don't know what it's like to be a foodaholic. THAT was my point.
If you are an EMT then you know this: ETOH turns to SUGAR in your system, right? What did the studies on food addiction show? That most food addicts are addicted to SUGARY foods. Is it really such a stretch to believe that if one can be addicted to sugar in ETOH form, another can be addicted to sugar in food form?
Cocaine also indirectly effects the blood sugar: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/recreational-drugs/cocaine.html .
You say you listen to your patients' symptoms and equate them with diagnoses, but you won't listen to those of us dealing with this problem OR the scientific data to support our position? I'm glad you're in NYC. Stay there because we don't need another closed minded EMT here.
Um, no. Ethanol does not turn into sugar.
C2H6O (Ethanol) → C2H4O (Acetaldehyde) → C2H4O2 (acetic Acid) → Acetyl-CoA → 3H2O + 2CO2
But virtually all foods - carbohydrates, fats and protein (via gluconeogenesis) - do turn into sugar.0 -
Do I think food addiction is real? No.
Do I think Eating Disorders are real? Yes.
What are these articles talking about? The answer would be an eating disorder.
Binge eating is a disorder. Not an addiction.0 -
BOOMIf I don't know what it's like to be an alcoholic, you don't know what it's like to be a foodaholic. THAT was my point.
If you are an EMT then you know this: ETOH turns to SUGAR in your system, right? What did the studies on food addiction show? That most food addicts are addicted to SUGARY foods. Is it really such a stretch to believe that if one can be addicted to sugar in ETOH form, another can be addicted to sugar in food form?
Cocaine also indirectly effects the blood sugar: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/recreational-drugs/cocaine.html .
You say you listen to your patients' symptoms and equate them with diagnoses, but you won't listen to those of us dealing with this problem OR the scientific data to support our position? I'm glad you're in NYC. Stay there because we don't need another closed minded EMT here.
Um, no. Ethanol does not turn into sugar.
C2H6O (Ethanol) → C2H4O (Acetaldehyde) → C2H4O2 (acetic Acid) → Acetyl-CoA → 3H2O + 2CO2
But virtually all foods - carbohydrates, fats and protein (via gluconeogenesis) - do turn into sugar.
Right. Without glucose, we die. Calling it an "addiction" is using the wrong.0 -
In......for reading about people making excuses to absolve themselves of personal responsibility.
I never understand these type of remarks. If sugar addiction were real, how would that absolve someone of personal responsibility??
Is not a nicotine addict personally responsible when they light up? Is not a cocaine addict personally responsible when they snort a line? Is not an alcoholic personally responsible when they drink?
Understanding why something is so hard to resist does not absolve one of the personal responsibility to resist.0 -
Right, it should be called "Trigger Food Syndrome"
BOOMIf I don't know what it's like to be an alcoholic, you don't know what it's like to be a foodaholic. THAT was my point.
If you are an EMT then you know this: ETOH turns to SUGAR in your system, right? What did the studies on food addiction show? That most food addicts are addicted to SUGARY foods. Is it really such a stretch to believe that if one can be addicted to sugar in ETOH form, another can be addicted to sugar in food form?
Cocaine also indirectly effects the blood sugar: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/recreational-drugs/cocaine.html .
You say you listen to your patients' symptoms and equate them with diagnoses, but you won't listen to those of us dealing with this problem OR the scientific data to support our position? I'm glad you're in NYC. Stay there because we don't need another closed minded EMT here.
Um, no. Ethanol does not turn into sugar.
C2H6O (Ethanol) → C2H4O (Acetaldehyde) → C2H4O2 (acetic Acid) → Acetyl-CoA → 3H2O + 2CO2
But virtually all foods - carbohydrates, fats and protein (via gluconeogenesis) - do turn into sugar.
Right. Without glucose, we die. Calling it an "addiction" is using the wrong.0 -
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In......for reading about people making excuses to absolve themselves of personal responsibility.
I agreed with MRM27, I can't stand anyone with a so-called addiction - Drink, drugs, gambling, food, sex - it's all about will power: Just pull yourself together and get over it!0 -
Whether you want to label it as an addiction or a Disorder the fact still remains that the person has a problem and it needs addressed period.....0
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I never understand these type of remarks. If sugar addiction were real, how would that absolve someone of personal responsibility??
Is not a nicotine addict personally responsible when they light up? Is not a cocaine addict personally responsible when they snort a line? Is not an alcoholic personally responsible when they drink?
Understanding why something is so hard to resist does not absolve one of the personal responsibility to resist.
Agree completely, after being married to and divorced from an alcoholic. He had an "addiction", and "couldn't remember" anythign he'd ever done to hurt me while in another one of his daily stupors. The object-throwing, name calling, accusations, shouting, swearing. It's okay, he has a "problem."
Cry me a river.
Quit buying it, quit consuming it. Problem solved.0 -
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Your argument is that food addiction is real. Mine is that it isn't.In......for reading about people making excuses to absolve themselves of personal responsibility.
I never understand these type of remarks. If sugar addiction were real, how would that absolve someone of personal responsibility??
Is not a nicotine addict personally responsible when they light up? Is not a cocaine addict personally responsible when they snort a line? Is not an alcoholic personally responsible when they drink?
Understanding why something is so hard to resist does not absolve one of the personal responsibility to resist.
No, that is not my argument. Are you not familiar with the word "If"?0 -
For kicks and giggles I began reading the first link.
I'm still giggling....
If you want to have a serious conversation, fine. If you're just going to be condescending, just leave and don't come back.
It's difficult for me to have a serious conversation about "food addiction" when I think it's a load of BS, but whatever.
*giggle*
Wow, you have no compassion whatsoever.
Food addiction is REAL. I live with someone that is addicted to sugar. Has withdrawal symptoms just like an alcoholic or drug addict.
Are you so perfect that you think that it is made up or something??? Well, its NOT.
So what happens when they eat any fruit or any carb at all? What about lactose etc? What if they eat a few eggs which has evil sugar in them? Goes nuts on them?
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I actually read the book "Your Food is Fooling You" a few months ago, and it was an extremely insightful read.
Willpower is key, but food addition is real. Addiction to crack, heroine, nicotine, etc is real and no one sits around calling it "a load of bs". Well, narcissists with an inability to sympathize with the emotions, experiences or feelings of anyone but themselves might, but that can't be helped.
I like comedian Bill Engval's take on willpower:
"People keep asking me 'how'd you do it? How'd you quit smoking?' And I look at them confused and say "Well...I quit putting them in my mouth and lighting them."
Same applies to food. Unfortunately.
The unfortunate thing is with food, you can't just quit putting it in your mouth like cigarettes and tobacco.
You have to eat and when that urge starts coming in regards to the addiction it is much harder to stop.
My husband stopped smoking cold turkey. Just put them down and doesn't even think about smoking any more. Sugar on the other hand, he has to have it. Gets withdrawal symptoms, nearly violent mood swings, feeling guilty about not being able to stop, etc..............
The Dr told us that sugar addiction is similar to alcoholism.0 -
Short definition of addiction. (from the American Society of Addiction Medicine and not my mate Dave down the gym).
Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. Dysfunction in these circuits leads to characteristic biological, psychological, social and spiritual manifestations. This is reflected in an individual pathologically pursuing reward and/or relief by substance use and other behaviors.
Addiction is characterized by inability to consistently abstain, impairment in behavioral control, craving, diminished recognition of significant problems with one’s behaviors and interpersonal relationships, and a dysfunctional emotional response. Like other chronic diseases, addiction often involves cycles of relapse and remission. Without treatment or engagement in recovery activities, addiction is progressive and can result in disability or premature death.
http://www.asam.org/for-the-public/definition-of-addiction0 -
I'm not addicted to food...but during that time of the month I do get more cravings and tend to eat more of the junky food. The rest of the month I'm totally fine, so it definitely (for me) is hormone driven. I also do fine with the activity (tennis, gym, weights, etc) but those few days of the month tend to set me back! I do pity those that are totally addicted to fast food and complete junk. It's just so NOT good for your body and mind!0
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Food addiction is very real. I was addicted to McDonalds for a long stretch. I wasn't even hungry sometimes, but in the morning before work and on my way home from work, McDonalds was the place for me to go. The only thing that kicked the habit was my will to change. It takes a certain amount of days, generally 28 days to kick most addictions, whether they're good or bad. Today, I don't need salty chips, chocolate or McDonalds (no, not salads, for you trolls). It works the same way as with smoking, alcohol and anything else. The main thing though, is after the habit or addiction is kicked, you need to fix the underlying psychological problems, if any, that caused it to start or you'll find yourself doing the same things.0
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Short definition of addiction.
Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. Dysfunction in these circuits leads to characteristic biological, psychological, social and spiritual manifestations. This is reflected in an individual pathologically pursuing reward and/or relief by substance use and other behaviors.
Addiction is characterized by inability to consistently abstain, impairment in behavioral control, craving, diminished recognition of significant problems with one’s behaviors and interpersonal relationships, and a dysfunctional emotional response. Like other chronic diseases, addiction often involves cycles of relapse and remission. Without treatment or engagement in recovery activities, addiction is progressive and can result in disability or premature death.
http://www.asam.org/for-the-public/definition-of-addiction
The bolded part is where my husband is at. After the cycles of relapse and remission, then comes guilt to not be able to control the cravings.
It is severely affecting his health and well being. He keeps trying but fails.
My husband has had sugar poisoning on a couple of occasions from having to have sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar........he used to eat it straight from the sugar bowl from a spoon.
Fruit triggers.............certain vegetables triggers.0 -
Ok so since you weren't actually making a point I take back my reply to you.
Your argument is that food addiction is real. Mine is that it isn't.In......for reading about people making excuses to absolve themselves of personal responsibility.
I never understand these type of remarks. If sugar addiction were real, how would that absolve someone of personal responsibility??
Is not a nicotine addict personally responsible when they light up? Is not a cocaine addict personally responsible when they snort a line? Is not an alcoholic personally responsible when they drink?
Understanding why something is so hard to resist does not absolve one of the personal responsibility to resist.
No, that is not my argument. Are you not familiar with the word "If"?
How many people claiming to be addicted to food have you personally done a medical and psych evaluation on Doc M27?0 -
Short definition of addiction.
Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. Dysfunction in these circuits leads to characteristic biological, psychological, social and spiritual manifestations. This is reflected in an individual pathologically pursuing reward and/or relief by substance use and other behaviors.
Addiction is characterized by inability to consistently abstain, impairment in behavioral control, craving, diminished recognition of significant problems with one’s behaviors and interpersonal relationships, and a dysfunctional emotional response. Like other chronic diseases, addiction often involves cycles of relapse and remission. Without treatment or engagement in recovery activities, addiction is progressive and can result in disability or premature death.
http://www.asam.org/for-the-public/definition-of-addiction
The bolded part is where my husband is at. After the cycles of relapse and remission, then comes guilt to not be able to control the cravings.
It is severely affecting his health and well being. He keeps trying but fails.
My husband has had sugar poisoning on a couple of occasions from having to have sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar........he used to eat it straight from the sugar bowl from a spoon.
Fruit triggers.............certain vegetables triggers.
According to Doc ACG eggs should trigger it too - do they?0
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