to carb or not to carb.....that is the question!

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  • Edmond_Dantes
    Edmond_Dantes Posts: 185 Member
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    Low carb works for me. I feel great when I keep carbs around 30 to 40 g per day, spreading those carbs throughout the day.

    The demographics of patrons who use this website are heavily skewed towards a low-fat diet, though, so don't be surprised if you get a raft of responses from people who can't understand why anyone would want to cut the carbs.

    This is true. Low carb diets are healthy and effective. Try it out!
  • _Resolve_
    _Resolve_ Posts: 735 Member
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    I have found without carbs my training suffers, they give me the fuel i need to crush goals daily.
  • Apocalypz
    Apocalypz Posts: 155 Member
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    The only people who truly have to "worry" about carbs are diabetics. All in moderation for the rest of us.
  • snikkins
    snikkins Posts: 1,282 Member
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    Low carb works for me. I feel great when I keep carbs around 30 to 40 g per day, spreading those carbs throughout the day.

    The demographics of patrons who use this website are heavily skewed towards a low-fat diet, though, so don't be surprised if you get a raft of responses from people who can't understand why anyone would want to cut the carbs.

    I wouldn't say the majority of the people on this website advocate a low fat diet but maybe I'm looking in the wrong places.

    I, myself, can't do low carb because it makes me hangry but as other posters have said, as long as you make sure you up your fat and protein intake to compensate and you enjoy doing it, I don't think there's an issue.
  • wonderwoman234
    wonderwoman234 Posts: 551 Member
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    Here is a recent blog by my nutritionist you may find helpful:

    The Athlete’s Kitchen
    Copyright: Nancy Clark MS RD CSSD April 2014
    Carbohydrates: Why are they so confusing?
    Carbohydrates seem to be a source of confusion for athletes and fitness exercisers alike. Due to the Paleo Diet, Grain Brain, Wheat Belly, and other trendy diet books, many active people don’t know what to eat. They just think they should avoid pasta, bagels, juice, bananas and sugar—even if these foods are non-problematic for them. Yet, most of the carbs are evil, fattening & bad for you hype is targeted not to athletes but to the masses of overfat, underfit people whose bodies do not handle carbohydrates as healthfully.

    What are “carbs”?
    Some athletes are confused about carbs because they do not even know what carbohydrates are. One marathon runner claimed he “stayed away from carbs.” Yet, he routinely ate oatmeal for breakfast, whole wheat wraps for lunch, and sweet potato with dinner. He failed to understand that oatmeal, wraps, and potatoes are carbohydrates. He was actually limiting his intake of refined sugars; there is a big difference! Here's what he needed to know about Carb Biochemistry 101:
    • Carbohydrates include both sugars and starches. Carbs are in fruits, vegetables, grains, and milk (lactose). These carbs all digest into the simple sugar glucose. Glucose travels in the blood and, with the help of insulin, is taken up for fuel by the muscles. Athletes who restrict carbs pay the price—“dead legs” and inability to perform at their best.
    • All carbs—both sugars and starches—are equal sources of muscle fuel. Regardless of whether you eat a starchy potato or sugary candy, the end product is the simple sugar glucose. Some of that glucose feeds your brain; some of it fuels your muscles; and some gets stored in muscles as glycogen, ready to be used for fuel during hard and extended exercise.
    • Sugars and starches are biochemically similar. For example, an unripe banana (or any fruit) is starchy. As it ripens, it becomes sweeter; the starch converts into sugar. In comparison, peas (and other vegetables) are sweet when young and their sugar converts into starch as they mature.

    Are carbs bad for you?
    Regarding health, some carbs are better for you than others because they offer more nutrients. For example, the sugar in sport drinks provides "empty calories" with no nutritional value (unless they are fortified to give a healthier appearance). The sugar in orange juice is accompanied with vitamin C, folate, potassium, and many other vitamins, minerals, and plant compounds that contribute to good health.
    While juice offers slightly less nutritional value than you’d get by eating the whole fruit, most anti-juice hype is targeted at overfat people. Liquid calories from juice, soda and sports drinks do not contribute to satiety (fullness). Hence, drinking sugary beverages with meals adds extra calories that can contribute to undesired weight gain. Yet, for active people who want to gain weight, juice can help a skinny athlete easily boost calorie intake while simultaneously adding carbs for fuel that enhances muscle-building workouts.
    Even though refined sugar adds “junk calories” to a sports diet, you need not eat a sugar-free diet to have a good diet. A fit and healthy person’s menu can accommodate 10% of calories from refined sugar (World Health Organization's guidelines). Yet, if you frequently consume sports drinks, gels, and sports candies—as well as other sweets—you can easily consume more than 250 to 350 calories (10% of calories) from refined sugar. Please don’t displace too many fruits, veggies and whole grains with empty calories from sugar...

    What about high fructose corn syrup?
    High fructose corn syrup (HFCS), also deemed evil and fattening, is less evil and less fattening than portrayed by the media (1). (Ninety percent of 567 media reports on HFCS since 2004 replaced science with opinion and were biased to the erroneous (2).) HFCS is a double molecule comprised of 45% glucose, 55% fructose—the same as honey and similar to white sugar (50% glucose, 50% fructose). The negative hype about HFCS applies primarily to overweight folks who consume excessive calories of sweets, soda, candies and processed foods sweetened with HFCS. While no one needs excessive, lack-luster calories that could be better spent on nutrient-rich fruits, veggie and whole grains, does an athlete really need to fret about a few calories of HFCS in ketchup?

    Are carbs fattening?
    Despite popular belief, carbohydrates are not inherently fattening. Excess calories are fattening. Excess calories of carbs (bread, bagels, pasta) are actually less fattening than are excess calories of fat (butter, salad oil, cheese). That’s because storing excess calories of sugar as body fat requires more energy than does storing excess calories of dietary fat as body fat. This means, if you are destined to be gluttonous and want to suffer the least weight gain, indulge in (high carb) frozen yogurt instead of (high fat) ice cream!

    What about sugar “highs” and “lows”?
    Sugar “highs” and “lows” can easily occur in overfat, underfit people. Athletes, however, can metabolize sugar without problems. That's because exercise enhances the transport of sugar from your blood into your muscles with far less insulin than needed by the body of an unfit person. The unfit body contributes to the rise in blood sugar that triggers the need for excess insulin and leads to the “crash.”
    The most common reason for “sugar crashes” (hypoglycemia) among athletes relates to running out of fuel. The shakiness and sweats are because the athlete did not eat enough carbs to maintain normal blood glucose levels and the brain is now demanding sugar. One marathoner thought the 100-calorie gel he took at mile 16 caused him to “crash.” More likely, he needed 200 to 300 calories to meet his energy needs, not just 100 calories.

    You are an experiment of one
    If you have intestinal distress relating to wheat, gels, onions, milk or any of a multitude of fruits, veggies and grains, your best bet is to figure out how much (if any) you can tolerate. The dose might be the poison. If you need to eliminate wheat due to celiac disease or gluten intolerance, you might have trouble getting enough carbs to fuel your muscles. That is, you’d need to eat 3 cups of blueberries to replace one bagel. Not only is that expensive, but also puts you at high risk for undesired pit stops. Consulting with a registered dietitian (RD) can be a smart idea! The referral network at SCANdpg.org can help you find a local sports RD who can address your food concerns and take the confusion out of carbohydrates.

    Boston-area sports nutritionist Nancy Clark, MS, RD counsels both casual and competitive athletes at her office in Newton, MA (617-795-1875). Her best selling Sports Nutrition Guidebook is available at www.nancyclarkrd.com, along with her food guides for cyclists, runners, and soccer players. For online education, see www.sportsnutritionworkshop.com.


    Selected References

    1. Lowndes, J, S Sinnett, S Pardo, V Nguyen, K Melanson, Z Yu, B Lowther, J Rippe. The effect of normally consumed amounts of sucrose or high fructose corn syrup on lipid profiles, body composition and related parameters in overweight/obese subjects. Nutrients 2014. 17; 6(3):1128-44

    2. http://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorbutterworth/2014/02/06/sweet-and-sour-the-media-decided-fructose-was-bad-for-america-but-science-had-second-thoughts/


    Nancy
    Nancy Clark MS RD CSSD
    Sports nutrition counselor

    www.sportsnutritionworkshop.com (online)
    www.nancyclarkrd.com (books, handouts, PowerPoint talks)

    Nancy Clark's Sports Nutrition Guidebook NEW Fifth Edition
    Food guides for soccer, new runners, marathoners, cyclists
    Twitter.com/nclarkrd

    1155 Walnut St, Newton Highlands, MA 02461
    Phone: 617.795.1875 Fax: 617.963.7408

    "Helping active people win with good nutrition."
  • StaciMarie1974
    StaciMarie1974 Posts: 4,138 Member
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    If all your carbs are from processed bread & such, not great. But carbs are naturally occurring and good for you.
  • Alehmer
    Alehmer Posts: 433 Member
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    Low carb has worked very well for the wife and I. As mentioned before, more than anything it's the fact that carbs are just so friggin caloric, and cutting them out (for the most part) significantly reduces calories and makes mindless eating much more difficult. It's nothing to eat 300-400 calories of chips in a sitting, much harder to do that with meat 'n veggies.
  • GertrudeHorse
    GertrudeHorse Posts: 646 Member
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    Personally I am a fan of carbs. My intake is probably considered high by some people's standards; on average about 50% of my calories. I have had no problems achieving or maintaining my goals. Also carbs are delicious. I tried low carb once and I was a hangry b*tch all of the time. 0/10 do not recommend.

    ETA: Also curious to know what "processed bread" is exactly. Isn't all bread processed by definition? Like to make wheat into flour you have to process it. I'm confused. In any event bread is delicious! Almost as good as pizza, which I guess is just bread with other stuff too. Mmmm pizza.
  • gmstarr1
    gmstarr1 Posts: 66 Member
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    I know that cutting carbs is not vital to weight loss...it's all about calories in and calories out. But for the last 10 years, I've been trying to lose weight by counting calories because I didn't believe in fad diets...and I considered all the low carb diets fad diets. But counting calories hasn't worked for me...I lose a little and then I gain it all back.

    I decided to go low carb after trying low carb for a week due to a weight loss competition (needed to lose some water weight fast). Now after two and a half months, I weigh less than I have in 10 years, and for the first time since I had my youngest daughter 18 years ago, my blood pressure is consistently normal. The best thing about low carb is I've lost a lot of the cravings I was constantly struggling with.

    Right now for me low carb is working. I don't know if I'll gain the weight back eventually, but I haven't been able to keep the weight off following a low calorie moderation diet, so what do I have to lose?
  • AllOutof_Bubblegum
    AllOutof_Bubblegum Posts: 3,646 Member
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    Do you have any health conditions that restrict eating carbs? No? Then eat the dang carbs.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
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  • DudeistPriest
    DudeistPriest Posts: 665 Member
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    If "that is the question" the answer is "balance".
    ...and sugar. The carbs you do it should not come from added sugars. I'm as quality as the next on that account but I'm learning.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
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    unless you have some carb sensitivity or medical condition you can eat carbs and lose weight….

    There is nothing magical about low carb and it will not produce "quicker" results then a calorie deficit and continuing to eat carbs..

    I eat 30% of my calories in carbs, sometimes more, and I have had no issues on my most recent cut ..down about seven pounds….

    I would say eat in a moderate deficit; move more/strength train etc/ and continue to eat the foods you like just less of them and maintain your calorie deficit...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
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    I'm sold on it. This has been the easiest thing I've tried and finally making progress. Going low carb and putting the body into ketosis is working magic for me. I think for short term, it is great to lose fat fast, but I will not be doing this long term. I don't want a heart attack with all the fat I'm eating. Over 14 days averaging 75% fat, 20% protein and 5% carbs (<20g) (not to mention very low or no sugar and drink tons of water). Calories average 1,000-1,500. I have not exercised one day yet, but I'll work that in next. So doing just that as my daily diet for 14 days and no exercise I've dropped 13.4lbs. Started at 234 and aiming for 200. FYI, I'm 6'2" male, and from what I heard, easier for the guys to drop the weight vs ladies, but I think it'd certainly be worth the try.

    magic you say? like this …
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    I am glad ketosis works for you but it not superior to any other method….
  • Strokingdiction
    Strokingdiction Posts: 1,164 Member
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    I'm doing 30 day low carb at 30 grams a day. You will definitely lose weight on it. Low carbing makes it easier to create a defecit because you feel fuller. Best thing to do is try it out. Sorry meant edit not report

    You will definitely lose weight and you will definitely gain it back.

    If you've done the low carbing more than once (because you gained it back after going off it the first, or hundredth time) then low carbing doesn't work for you.

    You'll just be participating in insanity by doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results.

    Eat less, move more and do it at a moderate pace.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
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    A proper cut/diet requires restricting the amount of carbs you take in. Any overdose of carbs is stored as fat . Carbs cause insulin spikes which increases sugar cravings, so you want to eat even more carbs. Plus, it lets your body produce more cortisol, which burns your fat and protein...

    ummm no and no ..

    I am cutting right now and getting 30-33% of my calories from carbs and am down 7-8 pounds…

    if you are in a deficit and eat carbs they will not be stored as fat….
  • Strokingdiction
    Strokingdiction Posts: 1,164 Member
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    I'm sold on it. This has been the easiest thing I've tried and finally making progress. Going low carb and putting the body into ketosis is working magic for me. I think for short term, it is great to lose fat fast, but I will not be doing this long term. I don't want a heart attack with all the fat I'm eating. Over 14 days averaging 75% fat, 20% protein and 5% carbs (<20g) (not to mention very low or no sugar and drink tons of water). Calories average 1,000-1,500. I have not exercised one day yet, but I'll work that in next. So doing just that as my daily diet for 14 days and no exercise I've dropped 13.4lbs. Started at 234 and aiming for 200. FYI, I'm 6'2" male, and from what I heard, easier for the guys to drop the weight vs ladies, but I think it'd certainly be worth the try.


    magic you say? like this …
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    I am glad ketosis works for you but it not superior to any other method….

    My favorite bit wasn't the magic but that she thinks she's losing fat fast. Last I checked, water is not a fat.