Is there such a thing as "too intense"?

I met with a nutrition student on my campus for nutrition counseling, and he said my workouts may be "too intense." Is there such a thing? My workouts are an hour a day, 3-6 days a week and typically include some sort of combination of:

30 min. circuit
30-45 min. jogging @ 5.0
15 min stairmaster
15-45 elliptical

He says I'm burning calories but they're coming from carbs and not fat. Is that a bad thing?? Thanks!
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  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    I met with a nutrition student on my campus for nutrition counseling, and he said my workouts may be "too intense." Is there such a thing? My workouts are an hour a day, 3-6 days a week and typically include some sort of combination of:

    well there's your problem.

    and secondly why so much cardio?

    who cares about the intensiy- 6 days of that routine would make me want to eat a bullet or quiet working out all together.

    It's not that it's to intense- it's there is no variety. That's the issue.

    Yes you can over train- but it has to do with not getting enough rest between workouts and letting your body repair- most people rarely every train at a level that's to much through their actual workouts. If you are training till you feel like puking- then yeah- that's to much. but I only know a handful of people willing to push that hard.

    You're fine- just make sure you include some form of strength/resistance training.
  • Cherimoose
    Cherimoose Posts: 5,208 Member
    He says I'm burning calories but they're coming from carbs and not fat. Is that a bad thing??

    Not if your goal is fat loss, since either one can put you in a calorie deficit. Google "fat loss zone myth" for articles on that.
  • I feel the harder the better. I do 90-120 minute burns. 45-60 minutes of weights, then an hour of cardio (either stair master with leg kicks/lifts) or spin
  • explosivedonut
    explosivedonut Posts: 419 Member
    I met with a nutrition student on my campus for nutrition counseling, and he said my workouts may be "too intense." Is there such a thing? My workouts are an hour a day, 3-6 days a week and typically include some sort of combination of:

    30 min. circuit
    30-45 min. jogging @ 5.0
    15 min stairmaster
    15-45 elliptical

    He says I'm burning calories but they're coming from carbs and not fat. Is that a bad thing?? Thanks!

    Dude doesn't know what he is talking about. Though that's a a lot of cardio for my taste, it's not too much. Two hours a day is a lot, but you probably aren't overtraining.

    Also, I wish I knew about these magical exercises that burn calories from fat! Must be like targeted fat loss, a totally real thing that people who totally aren't scam artists try and sell you.
  • scraver2003
    scraver2003 Posts: 526 Member
    I feel the harder the better. I do 90-120 minute burns. 45-60 minutes of weights, then an hour of cardio (either stair master with leg kicks/lifts) or spin

    You do four hours a day??
  • kristinegift
    kristinegift Posts: 2,406 Member
    I think that sounds like a good routine, if you're doing different parts of it every day! I don't know what your circuit is, but if there's some strength training in there, I think you'd be good to go. There was one summer that I was doing a Jillian Michael's DVD and then running/biking for 30-60 minutes afterwards, and I thought that was a really good, whole-body, diverse burn. So this looks like a great workout plan to me, as long as you're eating enough, eating right and feeling good!
  • wonderbeard101
    wonderbeard101 Posts: 75 Member
    Is he possibly talking about glycogen depletion? If so, the majority of that should be burnt during strength training. After that, your body has to switch to a fat-sourced fuel (Triglycerides or ketones, can't remember which).

    Otherwise "...burning calories but they're coming from carbs and not fat," doesn't make a ton of sense.
  • nrheasley
    nrheasley Posts: 78 Member
    No, I'm not doing those exact amounts EVERY day. I only have an hour a day to work out. Those are just my usual activities I do when I work out and the average that I do them. I wish I had that much free time on my hands!

    I'm aware that my routine needs strength training. I'm working on getting set up with a personal trainer. In the meantime, I've been sticking to cardio because 1) I'm afraid to NOT do cardio and burn fewer calories and 2) I lack knowledge about strength training. If anyone had advice on strength training sessions for beginners, I'd appreciate it!
  • nrheasley
    nrheasley Posts: 78 Member
    I didn't get it either!
  • jwdieter
    jwdieter Posts: 2,582 Member
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  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
    I believe it's a common misconception that you won't burn fat when not in the 'fat burning' heart rate zone.
    From what I've read you will burn the same amount of fat AND carbs ontop of that.

    However, more; if you burn carbs now, there will be less for later, meaning your body will have to turn to fat.

    Calories in vs calories out ;).

    I would do cardio either a) to improve cardiovascular health or b) so I can eat more.
    For weight loss, you can generally not do it and just eat less instead.
  • elusive_design
    elusive_design Posts: 1,095 Member
    Don't meet with students for advice, especially medical advice. It's a terrible idea and you will end up with wrong advice. Pay for a certified nutritionist if your insurance doesn't cover it already.
  • nrheasley
    nrheasley Posts: 78 Member
    Don't meet with students for advice, especially medical advice. It's a terrible idea and you will end up with wrong advice. Pay for a certified nutritionist if your insurance doesn't cover it already.

    I would, but I don't have insurance. Since I'm in college, I don't have money either. I can get some free services by working with graduate students such as counseling, nutrition counseling, personal training, etc. It's not ideal, but it's the best I've got right now.
  • bc2ct
    bc2ct Posts: 222 Member
    Yes there is such a thing as too intense. No, you aren't anywhere near it.
  • krawhitham
    krawhitham Posts: 831 Member
    If you can do it, I say that sounds great. But I'm not a nutrition expert ;)

    When I was in my early 20's I was doing 3 hour long workouts with the track team...

    Now that I'm in my early 30's 40 minutes of exercise is pretty much my max. I've pushed myself to do a 60 minute workout, but it totally exhausts me and I can't function for the rest of the day. I say do it while you can!
  • Deipneus
    Deipneus Posts: 1,862 Member
    Don't meet with students for advice, especially medical advice. It's a terrible idea and you will end up with wrong advice. Pay for a certified nutritionist if your insurance doesn't cover it already.
    Exactly. And I would add that a dietician has actual qualifications and licensing requirements. I'm sad that people rely on random online strangers and blogs and books of unknown origin for advice. And no, I'm not a dietician nor am i selling anything.
  • whitebalance
    whitebalance Posts: 1,654 Member
    I'm aware that my routine needs strength training. I'm working on getting set up with a personal trainer. In the meantime, I've been sticking to cardio because 1) I'm afraid to NOT do cardio and burn fewer calories and 2) I lack knowledge about strength training. If anyone had advice on strength training sessions for beginners, I'd appreciate it!

    Books
    Starting Strength (great detail on form for the major compound lifts, simple program, aggressive approach to adding plates)
    New Rules of Lifting for Women (more complex, but includes nutrition information you may find useful)
    Strong Curves (more emphasis on accessory moves than compound lifts, I think)

    Online
    All Pro's Simple Beginner's Routine (I'm doing this now and I think it's very good for setting form before piling on the weight)
    http://simplebeginnersroutine.com/
  • Graelwyn75
    Graelwyn75 Posts: 4,404 Member
    Does not sound too intense to me. I regularly do 2 hour bike rides, with a lot of hills, and on other days, 2 hour sessions at the gym, involving an hour of elliptical/running and an hour of weights. Outside that I do a lot of walking. And soon will be doing boxing again too.
  • gmallan
    gmallan Posts: 2,099 Member
    I feel the harder the better. I do 90-120 minute burns. 45-60 minutes of weights, then an hour of cardio (either stair master with leg kicks/lifts) or spin

    Honestly if you're capable of doing an hour of cardio after your weights workout you're probably not working hard enough in either or both of the componants
  • gmallan
    gmallan Posts: 2,099 Member

    He says I'm burning calories but they're coming from carbs and not fat. Is that a bad thing?? Thanks!

    You'll burn a lower percentage of calories from fat at a higher intensity (heart rate) and a higher percentage of your calories from carbs (glycogen). Your main concern for fat or weight loss should be the overall calorie burn and, a higher intensity workout will always burn more total calories in the same time than a lower one.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,947 Member
    Rhamdomyolysis would be the result of true "too intense" exercise.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • lucasmoten
    lucasmoten Posts: 143 Member
    Your body will tell you if its too intense. If its too intense, its unsustainable and you are pushing your limits. if you don't listen to your body and blow a heart valve, lung, vessel, etc, then that's not good. if you are uncertain, then consult with your physician prior to starting a new program.
  • bobbyguns
    bobbyguns Posts: 33
    It completely depends on what your intake is. There is no way he (or anyone) can determine where the calories are coming from, unless he knows what you're eating. That being said, there exists something called calorie partitioning (Google it), and that may determine how much energy is being utilized from carbs, fats or protein. One of the biggest problems however (especially for females), is too much energy expenditure (aka LISS or moderate cardio) and not enough intake. If you are doing that kind of VOLUME (which is what I think he meant- not intensity BTW), and eating 1200 cals/day; yes that may be a problem.

    Too much cardio + VLCD for an extended time period for women equals poor fat mobilization, especially from the lower trunk area (hips, thighs, butt), and an adapted metabolism (very slow or no weight loss). I would (as others have) recommend focusing more on resistance training and diet, while keeping the low to moderate cardio (jogging, walking, biking) limited to 2-3 sessions per week with 2 -3 interval training (HIIT) sessions added. This will signal your body to utilize fat stores moreso than typical cardio.

    Regarding strength training for beginners, there's a ton of info online. But basic is always better for beginners. Basic compound lifts (bench press, squat, deadlifts, rows, pull or chin-ups, dips, will help develop a balanced strong physique for anyone. Don't get fancy, and stay away from isolation exercises (curls, leg extensions, leg curls, etc) until you're more advanced. And don't worry, you wont get "too big" Hope that helps.
  • nrheasley
    nrheasley Posts: 78 Member
    It completely depends on what your intake is. There is no way he (or anyone) can determine where the calories are coming from, unless he knows what you're eating. That being said, there exists something called calorie partitioning (Google it), and that may determine how much energy is being utilized from carbs, fats or protein. One of the biggest problems however (especially for females), is too much energy expenditure (aka LISS or moderate cardio) and not enough intake. If you are doing that kind of VOLUME (which is what I think he meant- not intensity BTW), and eating 1200 cals/day; yes that may be a problem.

    I would (as others have) recommend focusing more on resistance training and diet, while keeping the low to moderate cardio (jogging, walking, biking) limited to 2-3 sessions per week with 2 -3 interval training (HIIT) sessions added.

    He looked at my MyFitnessPal diary. I adjusted my settings to "lightly active" to give myself a few extra calories per day.

    I am able to put 30-60 minutes into working out per day. Does anyone have any recommendations on how that should be split between strength training and cardio? Thanks!
  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member

    He says I'm burning calories but they're coming from carbs and not fat.
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  • whitebalance
    whitebalance Posts: 1,654 Member
    It completely depends on what your intake is. There is no way he (or anyone) can determine where the calories are coming from, unless he knows what you're eating. That being said, there exists something called calorie partitioning (Google it), and that may determine how much energy is being utilized from carbs, fats or protein. One of the biggest problems however (especially for females), is too much energy expenditure (aka LISS or moderate cardio) and not enough intake. If you are doing that kind of VOLUME (which is what I think he meant- not intensity BTW), and eating 1200 cals/day; yes that may be a problem.

    I would (as others have) recommend focusing more on resistance training and diet, while keeping the low to moderate cardio (jogging, walking, biking) limited to 2-3 sessions per week with 2 -3 interval training (HIIT) sessions added.

    He looked at my MyFitnessPal diary. I adjusted my settings to "lightly active" to give myself a few extra calories per day.

    I am able to put 30-60 minutes into working out per day. Does anyone have any recommendations on how that should be split between strength training and cardio? Thanks!
    A typical beginner weight program is a full-body workout (45-60 minutes), at least two and preferably three non-consecutive days per week. You can fit cardio in on the alternate days. People often do something like this...
    Monday, Wednesday, Friday: Weights
    Tuesday, Thursday: Moderate cardio
    Saturday: HIIT cardio
    Sunday: Total rest day

    My own schedule is a bit more schizophrenic than that, but you probably get the idea. :smile:
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  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    1. the question of too intense depends on what your goals are and what your current level of fitness is. If you enjoy your workouts and you're fit enough to do them, then it's not too intense. If you need a workout to be challenging or you won't enjoy it, then decreasing the intensity would be a bad idea. If you're training for a particular goal, e.g. winning races or whatever, then you definitely need high intensity to achieve that (although the kind of exercise you do needs to match the goal... running won't help you win powerlifting tournaments)

    That said: if you don't like the exercise you're doing, then don't do it. Do something else that you like instead. High intensity exercise isn't necessary for fat loss (although strength training/weight lifting helps to ensure you maintain your lean mass while losing fat, and that needs to be intense, but doesn't take all day because it's not cardio, i.e. 45 mins whole body workout 2-3x week is enough for most people) - long term maintenance of healthy body composition should be the goal, that's much more achievable with exercise you enjoy. Many people think they have to run until they puke to get the benefit of exercise... you don't. You just need to get out there and actually get moving. The only think i'd say is to include some kind of intense enough strength training, but like I said that doesn't have to last all day and it doesn't have to make you puke either.

    2. the thing about burning from carbs not fat is BS. The body can only burn so much fat in one go, so the more intense the exercise, the higher the *percentage* of the fuel your body uses comes from carbs.... but the more intense you exercise, the greater the total amount of fuel you burn. As in you burn the same amount of fat either way (so long as the intensity isn't so low that your body's not maxed out in terms of fat burning), but burn more carbs if you exercise more intensely, i.e. because you're maxed out on fat burning your body will get the extra energy needed from carbs. - additionally, what you want for fat loss is a calorie deficit, it doesn't matter whether it's fat or carbs being burned, if you're eating in deficit then regardless of what percentage of the calories burned come from fat or carbs, the fact you're eating at a deficit means you'll be burning fat later in the day to make up the energy shortfall. So the fat v carbs argument of exercise is irrelevent.... more intense exercise burns more calories and makes it easier to create a deficit through eating less than you burn off. (no calorie deficit = no weight loss, regardless of whatever else you do, which is why they say "abs are made in the kitchen")
  • Natmarie73
    Natmarie73 Posts: 287 Member
    I met with a nutrition student on my campus for nutrition counseling, and he said my workouts may be "too intense." Is there such a thing? My workouts are an hour a day, 3-6 days a week and typically include some sort of combination of:

    30 min. circuit
    30-45 min. jogging @ 5.0
    15 min stairmaster
    15-45 elliptical

    He says I'm burning calories but they're coming from carbs and not fat. Is that a bad thing?? Thanks!

    What is your average heart rate during these workouts? I personally aim to spend most of my cardio work-outs in zone 3 or above. I wouldn't call any of the above intense at all especially jogging at speed 5.0. An hour a day for 3 - 5 days puts you in the "Moderately Active" category for most calorie counting websites I've seen.

    And yes, depending on what your excersise goals are you would benefit from adding some strength or resistance training.

    I've heard it takes at least half an hour of moderate excersise before your body burns stored glycogen in muscles and starts burning stored fat reserves for energy.
  • Mauthos
    Mauthos Posts: 128 Member
    I personally don't think what you are doing is too intense, I am 36, so a little bit older than you I am assuming and my usual week is as follows:

    Monday: 1hr 10 in the gym (20 mins cardio (warm-up) followed by 50 mins weights session. Then 1.5 hrs of Tang soo do training
    Tuesday: 2.5hrs of Kenpo karate, technically my rest day, as I instruct, it isn't exactly hard exercise in the slightest
    Wednesday: 1hr 10 in the gym (as Monday) followed by a 60 minutes circuit (normally trx suspension training with some boxing)
    Thursdays: 1hr 10 in the gym (as Monday) followed by 45 mins of body combat and then 1hr of kick boxing training.
    Fridays: 1hr 10 in the gym (as Monday)
    Saturday: 1hr 10 in the gym (as Monday)
    Sunday: 1hr 10 in the gym (as Monday) followed by 1hr of body combat

    I follow a push/pull/shoulders& legs split for the weight training sessions, so 3 sessions 2x a week and my only real intense day is Thursdays as it is pretty much non-stop, but I know alot of guys and gals who do much more than I do.

    So, to cut down my waffle, do what you feel is comfortable for you, but I think you would benefit from some strength training and as has been suggested by alot of guys here, there are alot of beginner style workouts you can start with available from a variety of sources online. Good luck!