Double Standard?
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I wish honest and open conversations were possible, but they're not. A level headed and multi-faceted approach fits neither the narrative of the far left or the far right, and moderates are out of fashion these days.0
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I wish honest and open conversations were possible, but they're not. A level headed and multi-faceted approach fits neither the narrative of the far left or the far right, and moderates are out of fashion these days.
Pretty much my feelings on the matter.0 -
I wish honest and open conversations were possible, but they're not. A level headed and multi-faceted approach fits neither the narrative of the far left or the far right, and moderates are out of fashion these days.
Pretty much my feelings on the matter.
yeah, I gotta go with this as well.
Activists these days are too busy having an agenda on either side of the fence to actually care to make any meaningful change. Instead they rest on the laurels of the activists that came before them and spout rhetoric. Nobody does anything meaningful unless it is to sell a book, get on TV or to control damage caused by someone else wanting to sell a book or get on TV.0 -
I'm probably going to get a lot of backlash for this, especially because I'm white, but I'll take it.
Racism is a serious issue, no matter what race you are. It's hurt a lot of people, some more deeply than others, and unfortunately it's never going to not exist. It's not socially, politically, or psychologically possible for it to not exist. The more aware we are of it, the better, but not a single person on this planet can say with complete honesty that he or she has never been guilty of it, in some form, whatever the degree, at one point or another, even if they never voiced it out loud. I'm not denying it on my part, nor am I saying that I agree with it or that it's right. It's just the truth. The most racist thing a person can say, in my mind, is that there is no racism.
That being said, it's "hot-button" issues like this - an isolated, or even not-so-isolated, incident, of someone, or in this case, 2 people, who hold a great deal of power and authority themselves - that are used to blow up the media and distract everyone from the actual problems that are and have been going on in this country for a very, very long time. Our healthcare system is virtually bankrupt. The unemployment rate is slowly declining, but it's still at an unacceptable high. Hunger, disease, and poverty, which most people naively believe to be the problems of 3rd-world countries, occur on a surprisingly large scale right here in the US. And yes, racism is a factor in a lot of these issues, but that's just the point - THESE are the levels that we really need to be concerned about, not high-powered politicians exchanging petty words with one another. If racism really is an issue that hits home for you, try looking at the REAL harm that it's doing in this country - in other words, to people who are not in a strong enough financial or authoritative position to fight back, no matter how badly they want to.0 -
I'm trying so damned hard to care even a fraction as much as you, OP, about this whole thing.
But whether a black politician is racist and people don't care, or a white basketball team owner is racist and people do care . . . I just . . . I can't.
I don't give even the littlest damn. I'm so, so sorry.0 -
I wish honest and open conversations were possible, but they're not. A level headed and multi-faceted approach fits neither the narrative of the far left or the far right, and moderates are out of fashion these days.
Or people like the OP just lob hand grenades and try to claim it's a stab at a conversation. I'm sure he truly weeps for the oppression that Clarence Thomas must feel when labeled an uncle Tom. In his next thread he'll claim that racism doesn't exist anymore.....well, except for the horrific prejudice that people of color use to wield injustice against the "white minority", and each other , of course.
When someone wishes to have a real conversation, I'm always available. And sometimes reasonable. But this thread is just the same, lame, tired, bullspit. Since this attempt at a grenade was a dud, sit back and watch the OP try harder next time with his Campaign to Inflame0 -
I wish honest and open conversations were possible, but they're not. A level headed and multi-faceted approach fits neither the narrative of the far left or the far right, and moderates are out of fashion these days.
Or people like the OP just lob hand grenades and try to claim it's a stab at a conversation. I'm sure he truly weeps for the oppression that Clarence Thomas must feel when labeled an uncle Tom. In his next thread he'll claim that racism doesn't exist anymore.....well, except for the horrific prejudice that people of color use to wield injustice against the "white minority", and each other , of course.
When someone wishes to have a real conversation, I'm always available. And sometimes reasonable. But this thread is just the same, lame, tired, bullspit. Since this attempt at a grenade was a dud, sit back and watch the OP try harder next time with his Campaign to Inflame
Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know and can only speak for myself. I see some pretty intense rhetoric in the forums regularly, and it's not just race and gender issues, though those do seem to rile us all up the most. Maybe it's because these go to the very heart of our personal identities and are not something we can change. I'm no more responsible for my race than you are for yours. And while I've been accused repeatedly in here of denying my "white privilege" no one here was around when I got the **** kicked out of me growing up for being "white" or having a "Jew nose" or the repeated sarcastic comments I've received even in my professional experience from being from Florida and "The South."
I'm of the opinion that there has to be a balance between openly and honestly admitting the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and recognizing that individuals bring a variety of ethnic backgrounds and experiences with them to this conversation. And while I think the impact of "reverse" racism is far less than the massive historical impact of slavery and Jim Crow that is certainly still felt today, it does not make it right.0 -
I wish honest and open conversations were possible, but they're not. A level headed and multi-faceted approach fits neither the narrative of the far left or the far right, and moderates are out of fashion these days.
Or people like the OP just lob hand grenades and try to claim it's a stab at a conversation. I'm sure he truly weeps for the oppression that Clarence Thomas must feel when labeled an uncle Tom. In his next thread he'll claim that racism doesn't exist anymore.....well, except for the horrific prejudice that people of color use to wield injustice against the "white minority", and each other , of course.
When someone wishes to have a real conversation, I'm always available. And sometimes reasonable. But this thread is just the same, lame, tired, bullspit. Since this attempt at a grenade was a dud, sit back and watch the OP try harder next time with his Campaign to Inflame
Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know and can only speak for myself. I see some pretty intense rhetoric in the forums regularly, and it's not just race and gender issues, though those do seem to rile us all up the most. Maybe it's because these go to the very heart of our personal identities and are not something we can change. I'm no more responsible for my race than you are for yours. And while I've been accused repeatedly in here of denying my "white privilege" no one here was around when I got the **** kicked out of me growing up for being "white" or having a "Jew nose" or the repeated sarcastic comments I've received even in my professional experience from being from Florida and "The South."
I'm of the opinion that there has to be a balance between openly and honestly admitting the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and recognizing that individuals bring a variety of ethnic backgrounds and experiences with them to this conversation. And while I think the impact of "reverse" racism is far less than the massive historical impact of slavery and Jim Crow that is certainly still felt today, it does not make it right.
I wish people would stop using the term 'reverse' racism. It's not a thing and it makes my brain twitch every time I read/see it. It is a term that makes no sense in the context it's used in, as the reverse of racism is surely not 'racism from minority groups'. I don't know who thought up that term, as if racism against whites is some special thing that needs its own special phrases, but they should have done a better job stringing words together.
And with that I'll be ambling back out because stupid thread is stupid and I'm loathe to actually comment on the topic at hand. Because stupid.0 -
OP enjoys talking to himself too much.
no just trying to get all the ostriches to get their head out of the ground.
I agree0 -
Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know and can only speak for myself. I see some pretty intense rhetoric in the forums regularly, and it's not just race and gender issues, though those do seem to rile us all up the most. Maybe it's because these go to the very heart of our personal identities and are not something we can change. I'm no more responsible for my race than you are for yours. And while I've been accused repeatedly in here of denying my "white privilege" no one here was around when I got the **** kicked out of me growing up for being "white" or having a "Jew nose" or the repeated sarcastic comments I've received even in my professional experience from being from Florida and "The South."
I'm of the opinion that there has to be a balance between openly and honestly admitting the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and recognizing that individuals bring a variety of ethnic backgrounds and experiences with them to this conversation. And while I think the impact of "reverse" racism is far less than the massive historical impact of slavery and Jim Crow that is certainly still felt today, it does not make it right.
i'm not sure anyone is arguing that "reverse" racism is right?
and what exactly is "reverse racism"? that seems like one of those terms like "white slavery".0 -
Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know and can only speak for myself. I see some pretty intense rhetoric in the forums regularly, and it's not just race and gender issues, though those do seem to rile us all up the most. Maybe it's because these go to the very heart of our personal identities and are not something we can change. I'm no more responsible for my race than you are for yours. And while I've been accused repeatedly in here of denying my "white privilege" no one here was around when I got the **** kicked out of me growing up for being "white" or having a "Jew nose" or the repeated sarcastic comments I've received even in my professional experience from being from Florida and "The South."
I'm of the opinion that there has to be a balance between openly and honestly admitting the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and recognizing that individuals bring a variety of ethnic backgrounds and experiences with them to this conversation. And while I think the impact of "reverse" racism is far less than the massive historical impact of slavery and Jim Crow that is certainly still felt today, it does not make it right.
i'm not sure anyone is arguing that reverse racism is right?
and what exactly is "reverse racism"? that seems like one of those terms like "white slavery".
I wonder sometimes, to be honest, but I also know that you aren't
I put the term in quotes because I don't like it either0 -
Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know and can only speak for myself. I see some pretty intense rhetoric in the forums regularly, and it's not just race and gender issues, though those do seem to rile us all up the most. Maybe it's because these go to the very heart of our personal identities and are not something we can change. I'm no more responsible for my race than you are for yours. And while I've been accused repeatedly in here of denying my "white privilege" no one here was around when I got the **** kicked out of me growing up for being "white" or having a "Jew nose" or the repeated sarcastic comments I've received even in my professional experience from being from Florida and "The South."
I'm of the opinion that there has to be a balance between openly and honestly admitting the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and recognizing that individuals bring a variety of ethnic backgrounds and experiences with them to this conversation. And while I think the impact of "reverse" racism is far less than the massive historical impact of slavery and Jim Crow that is certainly still felt today, it does not make it right.
i'm not sure anyone is arguing that "reverse" racism is right?
and what exactly is "reverse racism"? that seems like one of those terms like "white slavery".
This x1,000,000,000
Racism is racism. Just because an African American person is racist, doesn't mean they are a "reverse racist". And it certainly doesn't negate the racism of any white person.0 -
I have no idea who any of those people are, but after googling them I came to the following conclusion:Condi Rice and Powell were both called Oreos by the left. What has been said about Mia Love by the left is not printable. Same goes for Michelle Malkin. (...)
I would give Michelle Malkin the 3.5 seconds of her lifetime.
Also, 20$ that this thread isn't here tomorrow morning.
To be fair, getting riled up over race and gender is way less idiotic than getting riled up over milk. And that happened as well.it's not just race and gender issues, though those do seem to rile us all up the most.0 -
OP enjoys talking to himself too much.
He's the only one who cares about what he's saying.0 -
So THIS. And many people who don't think they lead by double standards do. Parents that would tell their teenager who is now able to drive, not to text and drive, yet they've been doing it since they were 10 years old. Policemen ticketing people for speeding, but many being offenders themselves. And so on.Double standards run high in this country. Not just with race; but gender, status, income and sexuality. Equality is anything but that.
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I admit this was a half baked grenade. However that doesn't take away from the problem or my sincerity that these dialogs need to occur. I hoped for change and even though I didn't vote for our President I hoped for more , I yearned for more, I expected more!! He should have tried to bridge the problem and shelfed it with he is a product of Martin Luther kings dream. It should have been a time to champion and help foster these issues we face as a nation. Look at the rest of the world they have moved on from slavery and for the most part racism. Why can't the greatest country on earth do the same?
This is the same dialog we need to have about what is the mission for the US military? What does its citizens want? To be the global police? To stand and guard outrage boarders? To cut back and fund more drones?0 -
I wish honest and open conversations were possible, but they're not. A level headed and multi-faceted approach fits neither the narrative of the far left or the far right, and moderates are out of fashion these days.
I completely agree.
At the end of the day, I don't support racism of any kind. Its wrong no matter who is doing it. Now yes there are double standards in life that I don't always agree with but I'm not going sit around obsessively searching for every example of a double standard I can find so I can vent. I don't think the OP even cares about the racism itself. He/She just came to vent. And she doesn't seem like the type of person to have a level headed discussion with anyways. So I won't try. I hope everyone has a wonderful day though. :flowerforyou:0 -
I admit this was a half baked grenade. However that doesn't take away from the problem or my sincerity that these dialogs need to occur. I hoped for change and even though I didn't vote for our President I hoped for more , I yearned for more, I expected more!! He should have tried to bridge the problem and shelfed it with he is a product of Martin Luther kings dream. It should have been a time to champion and help foster these issues we face as a nation. Look at the rest of the world they have moved on from slavery and for the most part racism. Why can't the greatest country on earth do the same?
This is the same dialog we need to have about what is the mission for the US military? What does its citizens want? To be the global police? To stand and guard outrage boarders? To cut back and fund more drones?
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The fact of the matter is in today's (American) society, if anybody is so jaded that they live their lives focusing on injustices, they will find what they're looking for, enough to live a life filled with hate.
But, should anyone not dwell on the hate and just realize the opportunities they have, then they can easily be happy and fulfilled.0 -
The fact of the matter is in today's (American) society, if anybody is so jaded that they live their lives focusing on injustices, they will find what they're looking for, enough to live a life filled with hate.
But, should anyone not dwell on the hate and just realize the opportunities they have, then they can easily be happy and fulfilled.
This assumes we all experience the same level of injustice and opportunities in our daily lives which just isn't true. The people who can choose to see or not, sure this may apply.
Eta: I also don't agree that recognizing injustice equals being filled with hate or being miserable, nor do I think it means you can't be aware of the ways in which you are blessed.0 -
I admit this was a half baked grenade. However that doesn't take away from the problem or my sincerity that these dialogs need to occur. I hoped for change and even though I didn't vote for our President I hoped for more , I yearned for more, I expected more!! He should have tried to bridge the problem and shelfed it with he is a product of Martin Luther kings dream. It should have been a time to champion and help foster these issues we face as a nation. Look at the rest of the world they have moved on from slavery and for the most part racism. Why can't the greatest country on earth do the same?
This is the same dialog we need to have about what is the mission for the US military? What does its citizens want? To be the global police? To stand and guard outrage boarders? To cut back and fund more drones?
only one half baked grenade per thread please. move along0 -
The fact of the matter is in today's (American) society, if anybody is so jaded that they live their lives focusing on injustices, they will find what they're looking for, enough to live a life filled with hate.
But, should anyone not dwell on the hate and just realize the opportunities they have, then they can easily be happy and fulfilled.
This assumes we all experience the same level of injustice and opportunities in our daily lives which just isn't true. The people who can choose to see or not, sure this may apply.
Eta: I also don't agree that recognizing injustice equals being filled with hate or being miserable, nor do I think it means you can't be aware of the ways in which you are blessed.
I didn't even use enough words in posts to get into the specifics you brought up. We all have different "injustices" in our lives and we can either focus on what we can control or not.
I absolutely agree that "recognition" of injustice does not equal hate.
That said, one can fill a life being angry at some stupid **** that is out of their control in their life if they allow themselves0 -
The fact of the matter is in today's (American) society, if anybody is so jaded that they live their lives focusing on injustices, they will find what they're looking for, enough to live a life filled with hate.
But, should anyone not dwell on the hate and just realize the opportunities they have, then they can easily be happy and fulfilled.
This assumes we all experience the same level of injustice and opportunities in our daily lives which just isn't true. The people who can choose to see or not, sure this may apply.
Eta: I also don't agree that recognizing injustice equals being filled with hate or being miserable, nor do I think it means you can't be aware of the ways in which you are blessed.
Easier to play the victim rather than take personal responsibility.0 -
The fact of the matter is in today's (American) society, if anybody is so jaded that they live their lives focusing on injustices, they will find what they're looking for, enough to live a life filled with hate.
But, should anyone not dwell on the hate and just realize the opportunities they have, then they can easily be happy and fulfilled.
This assumes we all experience the same level of injustice and opportunities in our daily lives which just isn't true. The people who can choose to see or not, sure this may apply.
Eta: I also don't agree that recognizing injustice equals being filled with hate or being miserable, nor do I think it means you can't be aware of the ways in which you are blessed.
Easier to play the victim rather than take personal responsibility.
Easier to blame the victim than to take personal responsibility.0 -
The fact of the matter is in today's (American) society, if anybody is so jaded that they live their lives focusing on injustices, they will find what they're looking for, enough to live a life filled with hate.
But, should anyone not dwell on the hate and just realize the opportunities they have, then they can easily be happy and fulfilled.
This assumes we all experience the same level of injustice and opportunities in our daily lives which just isn't true. The people who can choose to see or not, sure this may apply.
Eta: I also don't agree that recognizing injustice equals being filled with hate or being miserable, nor do I think it means you can't be aware of the ways in which you are blessed.
I didn't even use enough words in posts to get into the specifics you brought up. We all have different "injustices" in our lives and we can either focus on what we can control or not.
I absolutely agree that "recognition" of injustice does not equal hate.
That said, one can fill a life being angry at some stupid **** that is out of their control in their life if they allow themselves
Maybe the difference here is I don't feel like I have no power to make a difference. And I believe turning a blind eye to the problems is a part of the problem.0 -
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