HRM frustration

So I got a HRM yesterday and after setting my stats I hit the treadmill on random for 45 minutes. Treadmill said I burned about 350 calories but the HRM said I burned about 520. My HRM only last me enter my weight and high and low heart rate (so I get alerts if I go over my max or under my minimum) I can enter my weight on the treadmill as well. My HRM and treadmill both had the same heart rate but why the large discrepancy? How am I supposed to know how many calories to enter?

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  • GregJourney
    GregJourney Posts: 80 Member
    Use you hrm reading because those results are specific to you. The gym equipment just gives a result based on a person your size
  • hermann341
    hermann341 Posts: 443 Member
    HRM and treadmills are not created equally, and will calculate the calories differently. You can choose the one that's more convenient, or you could err on the side of caution and use the lower of the two values to avoid eating back too many calories. Monitor your progress with either the HRM or the treadmill for a while and if your progress is too fast/slow, switch to the other one. It's probably more important to be consistent.
  • SgtBA_Diana
    SgtBA_Diana Posts: 156 Member
    What GregJourney said. I go by the HRM for this reason.
  • TheWorstHorse
    TheWorstHorse Posts: 185
    HRM and treadmills are not created equally, and will calculate the calories differently. You can choose the one that's more convenient, or you could err on the side of caution and use the lower of the two values to avoid eating back too many calories. Monitor your progress with either the HRM or the treadmill for a while and if your progress is too fast/slow, switch to the other one. It's probably more important to be consistent.

    ^This.

    It is better to pick one measuring tool and use it consistently. Since your HRM monitor will be the same no matter what exercise you use, choose that. Here's one way to adjust for HRM errors; there are others. YMMV.

    1. Calculate your TDEE or MFP calorie target and swear to live by it for at
    least twenty-eight days.

    2. Make recording your calories eaten and calories burned your new religion
    for at least four weeks.

    3. Depending on your goal (losing, gaining, maintaining) you should be able to
    reasonably predict your weight in one month. At the end of the month, look
    at the target vs. what actually happened.

    4. Now you know whether your HRM is off or not and have a rough idea of
    how much, percentage-wise.

    For example, you do all of this and instead of six pounds lost, you only lose five. Figure that's 3500 calories. Take your total exercise calories over the month, subtract 3500 and get your "adjusted" exercise calories. This will tell the percentage error in your HRM. Use it to adjust your HRM whenever you exercise.

    Repeat as necessary.

    What is important is consistency. IF you track input calories and output calories over time, along with your weight, you can figure out the fudge factor needed for decent predictability.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    Use you hrm reading because those results are specific to you. The gym equipment just gives a result based on a person your size

    Since "size"(by which I think you mean "mass"), and workload (which the treadmill measures but an HRM does not) are the only factors needed to estimate workout calories, the treadmill still comes out ahead.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    HRM and treadmills are not created equally, and will calculate the calories differently. You can choose the one that's more convenient, or you could err on the side of caution and use the lower of the two values to avoid eating back too many calories. Monitor your progress with either the HRM or the treadmill for a while and if your progress is too fast/slow, switch to the other one. It's probably more important to be consistent.

    It's even better to be consistently accurate, which is the case with most commercial treadmills (if you don't hold on).
  • brianpperkins
    brianpperkins Posts: 6,124 Member
    Trying to diagnose if a HRM that takes so few datapoints as inputs is producing more accurate caloric burn estimates than a treadmill is impossible online. There are far too many variables in play that are not accounted for here.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    Trying to diagnose if a HRM that takes so few datapoints as inputs is producing more accurate caloric burn estimates than a treadmill is impossible online. There are far too many variables in play that are not accounted for here.

    Not really. As stated above, you only need workload and body mass. It just so happens that the energy prediction equations for walking, incline walking, and running are relatively simple, have been validated, and are easy to program into the treadmill console. Most major commercial brand treadmills should give consistent readings, that are as accurate as you can get without more expensive equipment. That assumes you have: entered your weight and are not using the handrails for support. I have seen research that suggests that the running equations might overestimate by 8-15% depending on speed, but that is still more accurate than most HRMs.

    If one is on a commercial treadmill, and HRM calories are significantly higher or lower than the TM calorie reading, it is a pretty good indicator that your HRM is not set up properly.
  • brianpperkins
    brianpperkins Posts: 6,124 Member
    Trying to diagnose if a HRM that takes so few datapoints as inputs is producing more accurate caloric burn estimates than a treadmill is impossible online. There are far too many variables in play that are not accounted for here.

    Not really. As stated above, you only need workload and body mass. It just so happens that the energy prediction equations for walking, incline walking, and running are relatively simple, have been validated, and are easy to program into the treadmill console. Most major commercial brand treadmills should give consistent readings, that are as accurate as you can get without more expensive equipment. That assumes you have: entered your weight and are not using the handrails for support. I have seen research that suggests that the running equations might overestimate by 8-15% depending on speed, but that is still more accurate than most HRMs.

    If one is on a commercial treadmill, and HRM calories are significantly higher or lower than the TM calorie reading, it is a pretty good indicator that your HRM is not set up properly.

    Using your concept ... neither the HRM nor the treadmill get used for calculations.