"The Calorie Myth" - Have Any of You Read This?
GreatDepression
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Have any of you read "The Calorie Myth" by Jonathan Bailor? I like his thesis a lot. To simplify the book, he basically argues that wholesome health means we should move away from calorie counting and towards intuitive eating of clean foods to regulate our hormones. Bailor defines "clean" foods as non-starchy vegetables, lean meats from wholesome sources, low-sugar fruits, etc. (a mixture of paleo and keto in a way). I enjoy his book and podcast and can't help but think that most of the people here are completely on the other side of the spectrum (i.e. many who espouse that it doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you count your calories and eat at a deficit and point to Twinkie diet as evidence).
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I do not eat "clean" and I am the healthiest I have been in my entire life. People espouse eating what you want, provided it's at a calorie deficit, because a calorie deficit is the only thing required for weight loss. However, many of those same people also espouse meeting your macros and exercising, because these things are good for your health. Unless your diet is truly atrocious, or you have a medical condition that affects hormone regulation, the human body generally does a pretty good job at keeping everything where it should be.0
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Have any of you read "The Calorie Myth" by Jonathan Bailor? I like his thesis a lot. To simplify the book, he basically argues that wholesome health means we should move away from calorie counting and towards intuitive eating of clean foods to regulate our hormones. Bailor defines "clean" foods as non-starchy vegetables, lean meats from wholesome sources, low-sugar fruits, etc. (a mixture of paleo and keto in a way). I enjoy his book and podcast and can't help but think that most of the people here are completely on the other side of the spectrum (i.e. many who espouse that it doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you count your calories and eat at a deficit and point to Twinkie diet as evidence).
Most people make the mistake of thinking that you either strictly eat clean, or you eat mostly junk food. It's a spectrum. It's possible to eat mostly unprocessed food and also indulge in foods that you really enjoy and it's absolutely healthy. Either way, calorie and macro counting is an extremely useful tool.0 -
If I ate intuitively, I'd be over 250lbs... oh, wait.0
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Most people make the mistake of thinking that you either strictly eat clean, or you eat mostly junk food. It's a spectrum. It's possible to eat mostly unprocessed food and also indulge in foods that you really enjoy and it's absolutely healthy. Either way, calorie and macro counting is an extremely useful tool.
This is so so sooooo important! We live in the modern world, and our palettes and preferences aren't going to miraculously devolve to a time before the industrial revolution, you know? Nutrition is most important, that's true. It's paramount. Buttt that doesn't mean we can't fill the gaps with stuff we like and don't strictly need.
Plus, I think intuitive eating is super great! ...for folks who don't have trouble managing their weight. For people like me, at least being aware of calories and macros is essential. I know a lot of people who went paleo because it's all clean, all nutritious, all good for you and "you don't need to count calories," but then turned around and gained a lot or found they couldn't lose. At the end of the day, a calorie's a calorie, whether it comes from a kale smoothie, a bag of cashews or a bowl of ice cream.0 -
I have a friend who does this, and yes she is healthy, but she is also not loosing any weight, cuz her meal sizes are super big, and she claims that eating clean will take care of it.
I still like the idea of eating clean, and do it as much as I can/feel like, I'm just combining it with counting calories, cuz just because it's healthy it doesn't mean you can't gain from it.0 -
If I don't calorie count I overeat, simple as.0
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If I ate intuitively, I'd be over 250lbs... oh, wait.
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A lot of us here aim to eat cleaner and more intuitively as part of a calorie controlled diet. They needn't be 2 entirely different concepts as our macros kinda steer us in the right direction.0
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(i.e. many who espouse that it doesn't matter what you eat, as long as you count your calories and eat at a deficit and point to Twinkie diet as evidence).
This is a misunderstanding of the mainstream "Calorie Counting" position. While I would readily agree one can lose weight on an all Twinkie Diet, it would be impossible to obtain all your macro- and micro-nutrients eating twinkies. Those goals for Protein, Carbohydrates, Fat, Saturated Fatr, Fiber, Vitamin A, Vitamin C, Calcium, Potassium, Low Sodium, etc. may allow for the indulgence of a twinkie or two, but generally require you less processed and more nutrient-dense foods, like fruits and vegetables.he basically argues that wholesome health means we should move away from calorie counting
A common problem in defining a set of "clean foods" that one can eat without worrying about tracking, is that to hit all the nutrients we need, they often include one or more calorie-dense items. For the paleo diet, a problem food is nuts. For the cabbage soup diet, there are special foods to be tracked on each day and a warning not to do it too long. Also, by excluding other whole foods, it becomes clear that "clean" is just a euphemism for "restricted diet", a restricted diet to avoid calorie-dense whole foods.
There are middle-paths worth considering. At least one well-established nutritionist recommends using a MyPlate approach of tracking servings, because tracking calories is time-consuming.0 -
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Well, calorie counting, simply, has effective results.
Eating "intuitively", does not. Except for very few people that has a beautiful relationship with food and with their body needs (a friend of mine is like this, but she is the only one I know!)
While it is important to eat all the macro and micro nutrients our body needs, it doesn't lead to weight loss as it is. I always ate well, vegs, fruit, meat, fish, carbs... but I ate too much, and I gained weight. I reduced the portions, and I'm losing.
My brothers tried the approach you are talking about... well... he was so pleased at the thought that he could eat as much as he felt while eating "clean" that he gained a good amount of weight...
I think it's important to distinguish a) weight loss and b) eating what is good for our bodies
You can do both, or just one of the two. Both is better.0 -
I think that's fine as long as people know how big a portion is (and they only eat a single portion). Either by measuring it or by eyeballing it if they've measured the same thing so many times that they know what it looks like (e.g. chefs that cook without using measuring cups or spoons). Too many people eat huge portions or just keep eating until they're full. Don't eat until you're full, just until you don't feel hungry anymore. 80% full, not 100% full and definitely don't overeat until you're so full you physically can't eat anymore (this can be especially tempting when at a buffet, when it's your favorite food, or something you enjoy that you haven't eaten in a while). There are also certain foods that need to be eaten in moderation. Desserts in general have a very high calorie count. Sugar drinks and alcohol should be minimized.0
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Intuitive eating works for some people. I suspect it works best for those who have a good sense of portion size and do not tend to overeat calorie-dense foods.0
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no and I won't as calorie counting is a proven method and is not a myth.0
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