Is it really weight lifting the only way to be fit?
IsabellaGiano
Posts: 158 Member
Hi,
I'm a bit confused...
From what I read here, it seems that doing cardio help the weight loss but not the toning of the body... is that right?
Many people advise that the loss of weight involve also the muscle mass so at the end of the journey you will be LESS tonic that at the start... even exercising?
My questions:
cardio include all of these?: walking, running, bicycling, swimming, all the fancy cardio exercise in the web (and insanity? it claims to give you a wonderful body, is it cardio? what is it?)
When I do some cardio exercise, I definitely feels my muscle suffering so they ARE moving... still it is inevitable that in a deficit they cannot become stronger?
So, when I exercise, I do it just for the weight loss, not to become stronger and fitter?
isn't our body smart enough to take the proteins we give it to increase the muscles, and the energy from the rest of the food -and the fat- to all the other activities?
I think I'm missing something here...
And, in the end: do I really have to lift weights if I don't want to become all flappy loose skin?
Thank you in advance for your replies!
I'm a bit confused...
From what I read here, it seems that doing cardio help the weight loss but not the toning of the body... is that right?
Many people advise that the loss of weight involve also the muscle mass so at the end of the journey you will be LESS tonic that at the start... even exercising?
My questions:
cardio include all of these?: walking, running, bicycling, swimming, all the fancy cardio exercise in the web (and insanity? it claims to give you a wonderful body, is it cardio? what is it?)
When I do some cardio exercise, I definitely feels my muscle suffering so they ARE moving... still it is inevitable that in a deficit they cannot become stronger?
So, when I exercise, I do it just for the weight loss, not to become stronger and fitter?
isn't our body smart enough to take the proteins we give it to increase the muscles, and the energy from the rest of the food -and the fat- to all the other activities?
I think I'm missing something here...
And, in the end: do I really have to lift weights if I don't want to become all flappy loose skin?
Thank you in advance for your replies!
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I will let the experts weigh in Isabella but one thing to remember is that your body counts as weight. So when you are doing body weight exercises (push-ups, burpees, etc.) like in Insanity and the like you are also getting a strength workout.0
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I will let the experts weigh in Isabella but one thing to remember is that your body counts as weight. So when you are doing body weight exercises (push-ups, burpees, etc.) like in Insanity and the like you are also getting a strength workout.
This is reassuring, thanks!
I still would like to understand a bit more, but just this is already good to read0 -
Resistance is resistance, the path you choose to get there is up to you. Most people suggest lifting, especially with barbell, because overtime, it offers the most resistance.
You can find many examples of people using lifting programs like Starting Strength, Stronglifts, NROLFW, Ice Cream Fitness. etc...that have had great results. Also, you can find many examples of people just doing bodyweight exercises with great results (check out people from Barstarzz, Hannibal for King, Frank Medrano).
So to answer your question, no , lifting is not the only way to go.0 -
I kind of think of them as the yin and yang of personal fitness. Each has its place. Cardio burns calories... which is good for working off the burger you ate for lunch. Weightlifting, or resistance exercises, boosts your metabolism which causes you to burn more calories while resting long after you lift.
To strike a good balance you should do some form of both. If you are more worried about losing weight I would do more cardio but still do SOME sort of resistance work. If you aren't looking to lose as much weight and want to gain size, strength, or tone what you've got I would do more resistance exercises with some light cardio through the week.
It is all about your goals. It is my opinion that you need both, in some form, to be truly fit.0 -
From my experience, swimming has made my triceps AMAZING. They are covered in fat right now, but before I started lifting, I read that the triceps are usually the weakest muscle. I was shocked to discover I could lift almost double the amount of weight with my triceps than with my biceps, because swimming made them strong. So I do think cardio provides strength benefits and fitness. But IMO, lifting is just as important, because I want to be MORE fit and toned than cardio alone could make me. Cardio has a built in ceiling - you'll get strong enough to move your body around, and then maintain that.0
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From my experience, swimming has made my triceps AMAZING. They are covered in fat right now, but before I started lifting, I read that the triceps are usually the weakest muscle. I was shocked to discover I could lift almost double the amount of weight with my triceps than with my biceps, because swimming made them strong. So I do think cardio provides strength benefits and fitness. But IMO, lifting is just as important, because I want to be MORE fit and toned than cardio alone could make me. Cardio has a built in ceiling - you'll get strong enough to move your body around, and then maintain that.
I would add that, in a way, swimming is sort of both a cardio and a resistance exercise. You are using those triceps to push your body through the water.0 -
No, but it's pretty much the only way to look good naked! :drinker:0
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the only way to be fit is to get your diet in check...
meaning
know your TDEE
and know your daily intake compared to what your goals are0 -
Cardio burns calories while strength training builds and maintains muscles. You can do either one, or both, depending on your goals. Cardio will tire you muscles out, but that doesn't mean they'll get any bigger or stronger, you have to do weight training for that. If
Your body isn't smart enough to use protein to build muscles if you're in a deficit. If you're eating a surplus AND lifting, sure, it'll use the protein to rebuild your muscle, but if you're in a deficit it needs all of the calories to just keep you going, so it's not going to waste precious energy on rebuilding muscles when there are more important things to do.
I'd advise lifting weights, it's great for how you look but its also great for physical health. You don't have to lift as heavy, or as often, as you see people on here doing though.0 -
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No, but it's pretty much the only way to look good naked! :drinker:
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What GuitarJerry said. Do something you'll actually look forward to.0
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If you're wanting to get into lifting, I'd really recommend Strong Curves:) I think it's like $9 online. It's a book, full of knowledge and programs, oriented for women - because let's face it, everyone has different goals in the gym. Girls may wanna build their glutes, while guys may want to build their chest (to each his own). It's refreshing. Bret Contreras is the PT who wrote it and he has a PHD in Sports Science. Anyway, it's really popular in my female lifting groups. Check it out! I'm addicted0
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It all depends on your goals. If you just want to be a smaller version of the current you, then pretty much any weight loss will do. If you want to be tight, fit, athletic looking or even if you just want to be strong, then some form of resistance training has to be involved. Period.0
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Nah. Have you seen a serious marathon runner or a cyclist? They are absolutely toned, very little fat. Or top ballet dancers, despite being nowhere close to a dumb bell or bar.
Of course, they also look "weird". Esp. cyclists, with T-rex arms and muscular legs. But they are are fit.
At some point you need to define what is your goal. Establish what "looking good" means for you. I don't need a six pack. I don't need bulging biceps. Heck, I don't even need large quads. I just want to be faster on the bike. So I only do minimal resistance training, mainly core and maintenance stuff.
You want huge lats defining your back? work on them. Toned legs? Work on them. And so on. All of these benefit from a reasonable diet and workout regime.0 -
Hi,
I'm a bit confused...
From what I read here, it seems that doing cardio help the weight loss but not the toning of the body... is that right?
Many people advise that the loss of weight involve also the muscle mass so at the end of the journey you will be LESS tonic that at the start... even exercising?
My questions:
cardio include all of these?: walking, running, bicycling, swimming, all the fancy cardio exercise in the web (and insanity? it claims to give you a wonderful body, is it cardio? what is it?)
When I do some cardio exercise, I definitely feels my muscle suffering so they ARE moving... still it is inevitable that in a deficit they cannot become stronger?
So, when I exercise, I do it just for the weight loss, not to become stronger and fitter?
isn't our body smart enough to take the proteins we give it to increase the muscles, and the energy from the rest of the food -and the fat- to all the other activities?
I think I'm missing something here...
And, in the end: do I really have to lift weights if I don't want to become all flappy loose skin?
Thank you in advance for your replies!
You need progressive resistance to build muscle. Progressive resistance can take many forms. It just depends what you want.
Look at the bodies of professional runners, then look at a MMA fighter, then look at a swimmer. They are very different looking. That is because of the muscles they use. Look at baseball players compared with football players. Or, a gymnast compared to a power lifter. Their needs are different. they are built differently.
So, just do whatever you want to do. In running for instance, the way you increase resistance is by increasing time/distance. Also, you can run hills and things like that. Whatever you do, there's always a way to make it more of a challenge. I wouldn't
t worry about it. Lifting is very efficient, and most people find that they get all the results they wanted because it just does all the things that people want to happen when you want to lose weight. It's extremely efficient. But, the main thing is to do what you enjoy doing.
You received some pretty good feedback already...and Jerry nailed it above. At the end of the day, think of your body as a lump of clay, now how do you wish to mode it? Do you want the leanest that a swimmer or runner has? Do you want the power/musclar of a UFC champ? Do you want the symmetry of a bodybuilder? You can get those types of bodies by modifying both the type of exercise you do and the diet that you keep. Sure, genetics has their play, but you do have the power to weld your body into what you want.
For me, I see cardio as a means to keep a healthy heart and to burn fat. I could go into the various types (i.e HITT, LISS) but that's overkill for this discussion. Meanwhile I use weightlifting to build muscles and strength. Lastly, the type of diet I keep determines how much clay to add/subtract.
Your body is an amazing instrument...now, what tune do you wish to play?0 -
Hi,
I'm a bit confused...
From what I read here, it seems that doing cardio help the weight loss but not the toning of the body... is that right?
Many people advise that the loss of weight involve also the muscle mass so at the end of the journey you will be LESS tonic that at the start... even exercising?
My questions:
cardio include all of these?: walking, running, bicycling, swimming, all the fancy cardio exercise in the web (and insanity? it claims to give you a wonderful body, is it cardio? what is it?)
When I do some cardio exercise, I definitely feels my muscle suffering so they ARE moving... still it is inevitable that in a deficit they cannot become stronger?
So, when I exercise, I do it just for the weight loss, not to become stronger and fitter?
isn't our body smart enough to take the proteins we give it to increase the muscles, and the energy from the rest of the food -and the fat- to all the other activities?
I think I'm missing something here...
And, in the end: do I really have to lift weights if I don't want to become all flappy loose skin?
Thank you in advance for your replies!
Cardio is great for burning a great amount of calories quickly. It also helps you build the bits of your muscles the help with endurance. So you need cardio for endurance and to improve your cardiac health.
Resistance or strength training is shockingly for strength. It will help build muscle and make you stronger. For overall health a combination of both is best.
I'd say check out NROL4W (new rules of lifting for women) if you're looking to strength train because that program is all about overall health and doesn't make assumptions based on outdated gender rules.0 -
First of all, thank you all!
I'm reading -and I think that I'll re-read- all of your answers.
Still, some of my questions remain... you say that one need resistance to build muscle. I believe you, I'm not arguing. But... why? Aren't the muscle moving in both cases?
Now, some cardio that was painful at the beginning start to be easier... isn't that meaning that my muscle got stronger? I walk faster and longer...isn't that meaning that my legs are stronger? AND I'm in deficit AND consistently losing weight (I just entered the healthy range yesterday )
I just want to understand... again, I'm not arguing! I don't have the slightest reason to negate your informations.
As for myself, I just don't want to appear floppy, "sick".
I'm not, actually, but reading here I fear that that is the end of my journey.0 -
lets just put the whole losing weight thing aside, assume your at your ideal weight.
lifting will do more to change your apperance then cardio.
when i hear 'fit' i think of heart health, and for that you need some kind of cardio
Insanity is a ton of cardio, but there is enough resistance in it (push ups, jumps) that its not JUST cardio, and it will do more to achieve a muscular appearance then say running
losing weight is more about diet0 -
My question would be, fit for what?
If you are just asking if you need to lift to be health, the quick answer is not really. If you are looking to generally maintain a healthy weight and stave off big killers like cardiovascular disease, eating right and simple walking can do that.
If you are looking to improve your fitness, you want to do some type of resistance training based on your goals. This improves muscle abilities and fights weakened joints or reduced range of motion. What levels depends on your goal or need.
Of course, eating right, cardio, and some strength training is the best combination.0 -
I've seen pictures of people who did ZERO cardio and only lifted and completely transformed. These people started by doing a lot of cardio that made their frames smaller but when they switched from cardio to lifting their bodies became amazing!
Keep in mind that lifting can be very effective and a lot less boring. Some programs really don't take long to do each week. And I personally dread staying on a machine for 45 minutes and counting down the seconds. I'd rather see those 45 minutes fly by moving from one thing to another.
In terms of my own experience and results- I have not been as dedicated as planned because of some personal issues but my DH said I never looked better since I started NROLFW.0 -
My question would be, fit for what?
If you are just asking if you need to lift to be health, the quick answer is not really. If you are looking to generally maintain a healthy weight and stave off big killers like cardiovascular disease, eating right and simple walking can do that.
If you are looking to improve your fitness, you want to do some type of resistance training based on your goals. This improves muscle abilities and fights weakened joints or reduced range of motion. What levels depends on your goal or need.
Of course, eating right, cardio, and some strength training is the best combination.
Well,
at the beginning I just wanted to lose weight.
Recently, with 39 pound off of my body, I started to think that I can also improve my fitness, like you say, have a toned body, and be stronger. Physically stronger.
Anyway, some of you are saying that also cardio improve the muscle, just not as resistance.
Some say instead that only resistance -lifting or other- do that.
I think that I'll go through all the suggestion you guys gave me, and try. Why not?
Still puzzled about how come that doing cardio till sweating out my brain cannot make my muscle stronger, thought. Sorry, maybe I'm a bit dumb
Sorry if I ask a few more little questions... maybe it's also a matter of language, english is not my first language.
Please, may you define the difference, if there is any, between "resistance" and "strength training"?0 -
Anyway, it may very well be that I'm already doing a bit of bodyweight, like some said.
I admit that also the word "cardio" don't mean nothing particular to me, I use it because everyone else is using it.
Now I learn that it means that it is good for the heart
For me, everything is/was just "exercise".
I'm trying to learn the differences.0 -
Hi,
I'm a bit confused...
From what I read here, it seems that doing cardio help the weight loss but not the toning of the body... is that right?
Many people advise that the loss of weight involve also the muscle mass so at the end of the journey you will be LESS tonic that at the start... even exercising?
My questions:
cardio include all of these?: walking, running, bicycling, swimming, all the fancy cardio exercise in the web (and insanity? it claims to give you a wonderful body, is it cardio? what is it?)
When I do some cardio exercise, I definitely feels my muscle suffering so they ARE moving... still it is inevitable that in a deficit they cannot become stronger?
So, when I exercise, I do it just for the weight loss, not to become stronger and fitter?
isn't our body smart enough to take the proteins we give it to increase the muscles, and the energy from the rest of the food -and the fat- to all the other activities?
I think I'm missing something here...
And, in the end: do I really have to lift weights if I don't want to become all flappy loose skin?
Thank you in advance for your replies!
You need progressive resistance to build muscle. Progressive resistance can take many forms. It just depends what you want.
Look at the bodies of professional runners, then look at a MMA fighter, then look at a swimmer. They are very different looking. That is because of the muscles they use. Look at baseball players compared with football players. Or, a gymnast compared to a power lifter. Their needs are different. they are built differently.
So, just do whatever you want to do. In running for instance, the way you increase resistance is by increasing time/distance. Also, you can run hills and things like that. Whatever you do, there's always a way to make it more of a challenge. I wouldn't
t worry about it. Lifting is very efficient, and most people find that they get all the results they wanted because it just does all the things that people want to happen when you want to lose weight. It's extremely efficient. But, the main thing is to do what you enjoy doing.0 -
it really depends on your goals.
do you want to run a marathon? guess what, you have to do a lot of running.
if you want to look like a fitness magazine cover model, you will have to hit the weight room.0 -
My question would be, fit for what?
If you are just asking if you need to lift to be health, the quick answer is not really. If you are looking to generally maintain a healthy weight and stave off big killers like cardiovascular disease, eating right and simple walking can do that.
If you are looking to improve your fitness, you want to do some type of resistance training based on your goals. This improves muscle abilities and fights weakened joints or reduced range of motion. What levels depends on your goal or need.
Of course, eating right, cardio, and some strength training is the best combination.
Well,
at the beginning I just wanted to lose weight.
Recently, with 39 pound off of my body, I started to think that I can also improve my fitness, like you say, have a toned body, and be stronger. Physically stronger.
Anyway, some of you are saying that also cardio improve the muscle, just not as resistance.
Some say instead that only resistance -lifting or other- do that.
I think that I'll go through all the suggestion you guys gave me, and try. Why not?
Still puzzled about how come that doing cardio till sweating out my brain cannot make my muscle stronger, thought. Sorry, maybe I'm a bit dumb
Sorry if I ask a few more little questions... maybe it's also a matter of language, english is not my first language.
Please, may you define the difference, if there is any, between "resistance" and "strength training"?
Muscles get stronger when you push them. The body won't bother making more muscles if they are always doing the same amount of work. This is why to get stronger you need progressively overload to get strength gains. With cardio you keep the resistance relatively constant, and while they do get more endurance (you can do the same thing for longer) you won't actually be any stronger.
To me the only difference between resistance and strength training is progressive overload and ideally that should be involved in both, making them synonymous with each other.
ETA: at a deficit you are not likely to make great muscle gains, but you can teach your body to be stronger with the existing muscle mass. This is important for lots of people (including myself) because I want those lovely NSV that come through improving functional strength.0 -
Great topic and thanks for starting it. In for great advice and infos.0
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Thanks!
This makes sense, to me.
And then, increasing the amount of work appear easier with weight lifting than with what here you call cardio. Easier in the sense that if you want to work more, you increase the weight not in the sense that it doesn't take a LOT of effort
May I ask... what about.. if you are toned and fit and all, and than you stop exercising, but still not gaining weight, the muscle will stay there, or will they become smaller while you don't use them?0 -
My question would be, fit for what?
If you are just asking if you need to lift to be health, the quick answer is not really. If you are looking to generally maintain a healthy weight and stave off big killers like cardiovascular disease, eating right and simple walking can do that.
If you are looking to improve your fitness, you want to do some type of resistance training based on your goals. This improves muscle abilities and fights weakened joints or reduced range of motion. What levels depends on your goal or need.
Of course, eating right, cardio, and some strength training is the best combination.
Well,
at the beginning I just wanted to lose weight.
Recently, with 39 pound off of my body, I started to think that I can also improve my fitness, like you say, have a toned body, and be stronger. Physically stronger.
Anyway, some of you are saying that also cardio improve the muscle, just not as resistance.
Some say instead that only resistance -lifting or other- do that.
I think that I'll go through all the suggestion you guys gave me, and try. Why not?
Still puzzled about how come that doing cardio till sweating out my brain cannot make my muscle stronger, thought. Sorry, maybe I'm a bit dumb
Sorry if I ask a few more little questions... maybe it's also a matter of language, english is not my first language.
Please, may you define the difference, if there is any, between "resistance" and "strength training"?
Muscles get stronger when you push them. The body won't bother making more muscles if they are always doing the same amount of work. This is why to get stronger you need progressively overload to get strength gains. With cardio you keep the resistance relatively constant, and while they do get more endurance (you can do the same thing for longer) you won't actually be any stronger.
To me the only difference between resistance and strength training is progressive overload and ideally that should be involved in both, making them synonymous with each other.
ETA: at a deficit you are not likely to make great muscle gains, but you can teach your body to be stronger with the existing muscle mass. This is important for lots of people (including myself) because I want those lovely NSV that come through improving functional strength.
Thanks again... and another question. An example, to see if I understood correctly.
I have to carry an heavy backpack. And travel, and walk a lot with that heavy bag.
If a do just cardio while in deficit, I will be able to carry it longer, but I will feel always the same strain.
If I start progressive overload with the right amount of extra protein, that parcel will feel lighter to me?0 -
Hi,
Maybe this will help. I have done Insanity and I lost a lot of weight, because I had a lot of fat to lose. So now that I lost it, and
I am definitely stronger than I was ( because I lost weight and my body doesn't have to work as hard to do the things it did before, my cardio is up because I worked my heart out and made it stronger, and my muscles are stronger because I made them work-which wasn't happening before) so with that being said- you are doing both when you do cardio, you are losing fat and toning and building muscle. So now what? When I was done with insanity I knew I needed to keep doing cardio to shed those last few pounds, and I also wanted to build my muscles more than before. So, I decided to do a combination of cardio and resistance bands/weights. Why? because I want to obtain muscle confusion. It is what makes me stronger. doing the same thing every day just makes Muscle Memory, pretty quickly your body remembers it and adapts. You won't get stronger that way-you have to change things up, add more weight or more reps (depending on what your goal is) and keep confusing your muscles.
I hope this helps. Today, I work with people everyday to reach their fitness and nutrition goals so I am here to help and enjoy doing it. So what are your goals? Do you want to lose weight or tone up or both?0
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