FRUCTOSE CONVERTS TO FAT
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Almost anything is toxic if dosed too high. Saying something "could" be dangerous if you have "too much" is therefore fear mongering and useless information unless you provide specifics about dosage in terms of mgs per kg. If that information doesn't exist then more study needs to be done and until that study is complete it is actually rather easy to be skeptical of claims of toxicity. In fact, I would argue, skepticism is the correct response.
Arsenic is something that everyone views as a poison largely because the mgs per kg dosage for toxicity is very very low. That said arsenic is actually an essential nutrient that our body needs for its survival so if you could avoid it completely (which isn't really possible) that would actually be fatal to you as well.
Sodium is "bad" for you if you have to much of it but is essential as well. Its only when you know the mgs per kg in terms of dosage that is unhealthy long term can you give useful information about how to correctly incorporate it into your diet.
Fructose is found in things, such as fruit, that are an important part of anyones nutrition. To just say "fructose is bad for you" without giving any sort of mg per kg information is more than useless its irresponsible.0 -
It's all fine and dandy to tell someone that too much fructose can cause negative health effects but if you can't tell someone how much is too much then the statement is useless.
He has explained multiple times why he thinks too much fructose is bad. It increases AGE and triglyceride levels. Theres a lot of research being done whether or not they cause certain diseases.
To mock him like he is some 'avoid sugar, it's toxic" nut (like OP) seems a bit too far. You could say while on a normal diet it's not harmful. Doesn't mean that his statement of the byproducts of glycation being bad is false.
It's an interesting topic actually, deserves better than "so how many apples will kill me".
I don't' usually get annoyed but this one is getting close. Why can't anyone on that side of the discussion tell me how many grams of fructose is too much? If you don't have the answer, just say so.
I'll even accept the hypothesis for the time being, that too much fructose is harmful to the human body. Now, at what level of intake does it become harmful?
I'll award over 9000 internet cookies if someone can give me a backed up number.
Best of luck on your noble and righteous quest. May you be satisfied in your search for an answer more quickly than I have been in my search for the name of one toxin that is eliminated in a dietary cleanse that isn't otherwise cleared from the body while continue to eat food.
Godspeed, bold and noble truthseeker. Godspeed.0 -
It's all fine and dandy to tell someone that too much fructose can cause negative health effects but if you can't tell someone how much is too much then the statement is useless.
He has explained multiple times why he thinks too much fructose is bad. It increases AGE and triglyceride levels. Theres a lot of research being done whether or not they cause certain diseases.
To mock him like he is some 'avoid sugar, it's toxic" nut (like OP) seems a bit too far. You could say while on a normal diet it's not harmful. Doesn't mean that his statement of the byproducts of glycation being bad is false.
It's an interesting topic actually, deserves better than "so how many apples will kill me".
I don't' usually get annoyed but this one is getting close. Why can't anyone on that side of the discussion tell me how many grams of fructose is too much? If you don't have the answer, just say so.
I'll even accept the hypothesis for the time being, that too much fructose is harmful to the human body. Now, at what level of intake does it become harmful?
I'll award over 9000 internet cookies if someone can give me a backed up number.
Best of luck on your noble and righteous quest. May you be satisfied in your search for an answer more quickly than I have been in my search for the name of one toxin that is eliminated in a dietary cleanse that isn't otherwise cleared from the body while continue to eat food.
Godspeed, bold and noble truthseeker. Godspeed.
:blushing:
I know I'm not going to get an answer since one doesn't exist. /sigh Time for me to step away from the keyboard.
Thanks for the snarky reminder that my truthseeking was a doomed quest from the start, I needed it. :flowerforyou:0 -
It's all fine and dandy to tell someone that too much fructose can cause negative health effects but if you can't tell someone how much is too much then the statement is useless.
He has explained multiple times why he thinks too much fructose is bad. It increases AGE and triglyceride levels. Theres a lot of research being done whether or not they cause certain diseases.
To mock him like he is some 'avoid sugar, it's toxic" nut (like OP) seems a bit too far. You could say while on a normal diet it's not harmful. Doesn't mean that his statement of the byproducts of glycation being bad is false.
It's an interesting topic actually, deserves better than "so how many apples will kill me".
I don't' usually get annoyed but this one is getting close. Why can't anyone on that side of the discussion tell me how many grams of fructose is too much? If you don't have the answer, just say so.
I'll even accept the hypothesis for the time being, that too much fructose is harmful to the human body. Now, at what level of intake does it become harmful?
I'll award over 9000 internet cookies if someone can give me a backed up number.
Best of luck on your noble and righteous quest. May you be satisfied in your search for an answer more quickly than I have been in my search for the name of one toxin that is eliminated in a dietary cleanse that isn't otherwise cleared from the body while continue to eat food.
Godspeed, bold and noble truthseeker. Godspeed.
:blushing:
I know I'm not going to get an answer since one doesn't exist. /sigh Time for me to step away from the keyboard.
Thanks for the snarky reminder that my truthseeking was a doomed quest from the start, I needed it. :flowerforyou:
NOOOO! You can't just give up like that! This is your calling...your reason for being...the thing that will drive you to continue on even in the face of (online) adversity. You can't just choose not to be called to this endeavor. This is what you must do! This is who you now are!
You can do this.
I believe in you.
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It's all fine and dandy to tell someone that too much fructose can cause negative health effects but if you can't tell someone how much is too much then the statement is useless.
He has explained multiple times why he thinks too much fructose is bad. It increases AGE and triglyceride levels. Theres a lot of research being done whether or not they cause certain diseases.
To mock him like he is some 'avoid sugar, it's toxic" nut (like OP) seems a bit too far. You could say while on a normal diet it's not harmful. Doesn't mean that his statement of the byproducts of glycation being bad is false.
It's an interesting topic actually, deserves better than "so how many apples will kill me".
Just one, if it's thrown at someone's head in just the right way...0 -
That was my point. You were pushing him on information that doesn't exist, just so you could say "see I'm right" or some other mocking statement. Which is fine if that's how you want to discuss things :laugh:
Just because there's no pinpointed range for toxicity doesn't mean you can't mention or discuss AGEs. Just debunk it if it's that wrong, or give your view on it. Does it even fall under toxicity? Isn't it raising oxidative stress? Do AGEs have benefits? (genuinely asking, I'm no expert that's why I found his posts interesting). I'm pretty sure the AGEs from burning food and smoking are not very helpful.
in be4: so how much fruit can I eat?
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Someone forgot to tell my body that fructose converts to fat. I eat 80% carbs and virtually all of those come from fruits.0
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Joanne just pm'd me. She said 17 apples is the limit. These are regular sized apples not those crazy massive ones they have in Japan for example. If you eat 18, you will get fat. If you stick to 17 or under you will be crazy fit and will be able to do KB windmills with the best of them.
Hope that helps.0 -
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Here is my take on this. Those who put so much effort into avoiding particular foods would be better served putting that effort instead into exercise. Fruit isn't going to make you fat and ruin your health, Fruit loops isn't going to make you fat and ruin your health....worrying and sitting on your *kitten* is going to make you fat and ruin your health.0
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Now I want cereal. Screw you guys.0
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To the person eating tons of fructose from fruit - switch to high fructose corn syrup and see what happens. LOL.0
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Is this news?0
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Phew.....Thank god. Because I've eaten 16 already today and had 2 more planned for desert tonight.Joanne just pm'd me. She said 17 apples is the limit. These are regular sized apples not those crazy massive ones they have in Japan for example. If you eat 18, you will get fat. If you stick to 17 or under you will be crazy fit and will be able to do KB windmills with the best of them.
Hope that helps.
if I ate 17 apples a day I think I would have other problems...0 -
As a rule of thumb, natural sugars present in fruits like Fructose are ALWAYS OK to eat as long as you stay on your daily macros. Artificial sweeteners are the ones that should be avoided AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE... these include Aspartame, Sucralose, Acesulfame K, Saccharin, and all that crap they put in the so called "Diet Products" or "0% Products"... Always read the labels of what you're about to eat, not just for calorie count..
Get your nutrients from mother nature as much as possible, stay on your macros, exercise, rest properly and behold your progressive transformation...0 -
I have seen a lot of these style posts from the OP, sensationalist articles, highly contentious post title and days of argument and counter argument about the accuracy of the claims and the interpretation of the research, if any is included!
As has been said before the OP very rarely, if ever comes back into the topic to argue for or against any point that has been made, but then why would she?
All of this argument keeps the topic up in the recent post list, meaning more and more people have a look at it, many not getting past the first post and if just one of them joins the OP's group then I suspect the post will have done its work!0 -
As a rule of thumb, natural sugars present in fruits like Fructose are ALWAYS OK to eat as long as you stay on your daily macros. Artificial sweeteners are the ones that should be avoided AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE... these include Aspartame, Sucralose, Acesulfame K, Saccharin, and all that crap they put in the so called "Diet Products" or "0% Products"...
Why do you believe this? (Cue naturalistic fallacy)0 -
Phew.....Thank god. Because I've eaten 16 already today and had 2 more planned for desert tonight.Joanne just pm'd me. She said 17 apples is the limit. These are regular sized apples not those crazy massive ones they have in Japan for example. If you eat 18, you will get fat. If you stick to 17 or under you will be crazy fit and will be able to do KB windmills with the best of them.
Hope that helps.
if I ate 17 apples a day I think I would have other problems...
That happens too me if I drink too much apple cider.
Does anyone know if Joanne has an apples to cider (oz) conversion tool to make sure I dont go over the 16 apple mark?0 -
As a rule of thumb, natural sugars present in fruits like Fructose are ALWAYS OK to eat as long as you stay on your daily macros. Artificial sweeteners are the ones that should be avoided AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE... these include Aspartame, Sucralose, Acesulfame K, Saccharin, and all that crap they put in the so called "Diet Products" or "0% Products"... Always read the labels of what you're about to eat, not just for calorie count..
Get your nutrients from mother nature as much as possible, stay on your macros, exercise, rest properly and behold your progressive transformation...
Right. And what is wrong with Aspartame again? Or any of those you listed for that matter? Besides that they are not "natural" whatever that means (nature is chemistry too you know).
Nature isn't your buddy, if anything nature wants to kill your @ss so I'm not sure why people get so kumbaya over anything "natural".0 -
As a rule of thumb, natural sugars present in fruits like Fructose are ALWAYS OK to eat as long as you stay on your daily macros. Artificial sweeteners are the ones that should be avoided AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE... these include Aspartame, Sucralose, Acesulfame K, Saccharin, and all that crap they put in the so called "Diet Products" or "0% Products"... Always read the labels of what you're about to eat, not just for calorie count..
Get your nutrients from mother nature as much as possible, stay on your macros, exercise, rest properly and behold your progressive transformation...
Right. And what is wrong with Aspartame again? Or any of those you listed for that matter? Besides that they are not "natural" whatever that means (nature is chemistry too you know).
Love me some Aspartame.0 -
As a rule of thumb, natural sugars present in fruits like Fructose are ALWAYS OK to eat as long as you stay on your daily macros. Artificial sweeteners are the ones that should be avoided AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE... these include Aspartame, Sucralose, Acesulfame K, Saccharin, and all that crap they put in the so called "Diet Products" or "0% Products"... Always read the labels of what you're about to eat, not just for calorie count..
Get your nutrients from mother nature as much as possible, stay on your macros, exercise, rest properly and behold your progressive transformation...
Right. And what is wrong with Aspartame again? Or any of those you listed for that matter? Besides that they are not "natural" whatever that means (nature is chemistry too you know).
Love me some Aspartame.
I'm just wondering what is not "natural" about a methyl ester of two common amino acids.0 -
Phew.....Thank god. Because I've eaten 16 already today and had 2 more planned for desert tonight.Joanne just pm'd me. She said 17 apples is the limit. These are regular sized apples not those crazy massive ones they have in Japan for example. If you eat 18, you will get fat. If you stick to 17 or under you will be crazy fit and will be able to do KB windmills with the best of them.
Hope that helps.
if I ate 17 apples a day I think I would have other problems...
^this
If I ate 17 apples in one day, I would be hoping that Joanne was right and that my demise was near...
...and failing that, that a bathroom was near...
...with extra super soft toilet paper...
...and engaging reading material.0 -
Also, did we ever learn the generally regarded as safe daily amounts of fructose (from all sources)?0
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methyl ester
Sounds like a scary evil chemical.
Or one of the Golden Girls.0 -
As a rule of thumb, natural sugars present in fruits like Fructose are ALWAYS OK to eat as long as you stay on your daily macros. Artificial sweeteners are the ones that should be avoided AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE... these include Aspartame, Sucralose, Acesulfame K, Saccharin, and all that crap they put in the so called "Diet Products" or "0% Products"... Always read the labels of what you're about to eat, not just for calorie count..
Get your nutrients from mother nature as much as possible, stay on your macros, exercise, rest properly and behold your progressive transformation...
I can't listen to you until you pull up your pants.0 -
an excerpt of an article by Patrick J. Skerrett, Executive Editor, Harvard Health
The following statement taken from part of his article really says a lot!!!
"Every year I attend scores of talks on health and nutrition. Few prompt me to change what I do or what I eat..... thinking hard about sugar in my children’s diets.
This is a good explanation of how sugar converts to fat in the body when eaten in excess.
When fructose is joined to glucose, it makes sucrose. Sucrose is abundant in sugar cane, sugar beets, corn, and other plants. When extracted and refined, sucrose makes table sugar. In the 1800s and early 1900s, the average American took in about 15 grams of fructose (about half an ounce), mostly from eating fruits and vegetables. Today we average 55 grams per day (73 grams for adolescents). The increase in fructose intake is worrisome because it suspiciously parallels increases in obesity, diabetes, and a new condition called nonalcoholic fatty liver disease that now affects up to one-third of Americans. (You can read more about nonalcoholic fatty liver disease in a Harvard Health Letter article.)
Virtually every cell in the body can use glucose for energy. In contrast, only liver cells break down fructose. What happens to fructose inside liver cells is complicated. One of the end products is triglyceride, a form of fat. Uric acid and free radicals are also formed.
None of this is good. Triglycerides can build up in liver cells and damage liver function. Triglycerides released into the bloodstream can contribute to the growth of fat-filled plaque inside artery walls. Free radicals (also called reactive oxygen species) can damage cell structures, enzymes, and even genes. Uric acid can turn off production of nitric oxide, a substance that helps protect artery walls from damage. Another effect of high fructose intake is insulin resistance, a precursor to diabetes.
Every year I attend scores of talks on health and nutrition. Few prompt me to change what I do or what I eat. Lustig’s talk has me looking at the amount of sugar I take in, and thinking hard about sugar in my children’s diets.
ANYTHING eaten in excess is converted to stored body fat. Please just stop.0 -
Also, did we ever learn the generally regarded as safe daily amounts of fructose (from all sources)?
Over 90000 -
As a rule of thumb, natural sugars present in fruits like Fructose are ALWAYS OK to eat as long as you stay on your daily macros. Artificial sweeteners are the ones that should be avoided AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE... these include Aspartame, Sucralose, Acesulfame K, Saccharin, and all that crap they put in the so called "Diet Products" or "0% Products"... Always read the labels of what you're about to eat, not just for calorie count..
Get your nutrients from mother nature as much as possible, stay on your macros, exercise, rest properly and behold your progressive transformation...
Right. And what is wrong with Aspartame again? Or any of those you listed for that matter? Besides that they are not "natural" whatever that means (nature is chemistry too you know).
Love me some Aspartame.
I'm just wondering what is not "natural" about a methyl ester of two common amino acids.
1nat·u·ral
adjective \ˈna-chə-rəl, ˈnach-rəl\
: existing in nature and not made or caused by people : coming from nature
: not having any extra substances or chemicals added : not containing anything artificial
: usual or expected
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/natural0
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